Fox News/ Bill Kristol using the Israel Crisis to urge ACTION against Iran

[jsamuel]

In another edition of propaganda, Fox News and Bill Kristol had a discussion about the Middle East Crisis. Long story short, they were saying that we need to blow Iran from the earth. No more mister nice guy.

Did they say how this was Iran's fault? No.

They just stated it matter of factly. They said this crisis happened because the US hasn't already blown Iran up.

They are using their propaganda right now on the American people, we have to stay aware.

[neuvocat]

1. You know what's funny

I just found out that Iran is the most democratic country in the mideast.

[jsamuel]

3. to quote Bush, "just wait"

[Idioteque]

7. You know what else is funny?

Ahmadinejad wasn't very popular when he got elected. It was a pretty close race and a lot of the Iranian people hated him and thought he was too extreme. Now they are rallying behind him because of the fact that he is seen as an enemy of the United States. If we would have just shut up and let the Iranians do their thing, they probably would be booting him in their next election.

[long_green]

18. Didn't we help get him elected over a more moderate pol?

It was a close election and we barge in warning the Iranian people not to elect Ahmadinejad. That's how I remember it, anyway I wouldn't mind correction.

[killbotfactory]

2. People who want a war with Iran are fucking crazy

and it just so happens the Bush administration is itching for war in Iran. Hell, they probably planned these events with Israel, to try and draw Syria and Iran into a war, just in case the whole "OMG IRAN HAS NUKES" approach failed.

[grannylib]

4. Wouldn't be surprised, since they allowed 9/11 to happen to have an

excuse to get us into Iraq...

[yellowcanine]

5. If we go to war with Iran someone should grab that sob and strap him to

the first cruise missile going in. That man is a menace.

[brentspeak]

6. Bill "There is no health care crisis" Kristol, that great war veteran...

Wait, that chickenhawk has never even been in the military. Working for father Irving's smear-the-Democrats agenda was more important to him.

[chill_wind]

8. That's not even propaganda. That's just exhorting the US to commit

another set of major war crimes of potentially epic proportions.

These are madmen.

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August 1, 2005 Issue
Copyright © 2005 The American Conservative

Deep Background


In Washington it is hardly a secret that the same people in and around the administration who brought you Iraq are preparing to do the same for Iran. The Pentagon, acting under instructions from Vice President Dick Cheney’s office, has tasked the United States Strategic Command (STRATCOM) with drawing up a contingency plan to be employed in response to another 9/11-type terrorist attack on the United States. The plan includes a large-scale air assault on Iran employing both conventional and tactical nuclear weapons. Within Iran there are more than 450 major strategic targets, including numerous suspected nuclear-weapons-program development sites.

Many of the targets are hardened or are deep underground and could not be taken out by conventional weapons, hence the nuclear option. As in the case of Iraq, the response is not conditional on Iran actually being involved in the act of terrorism directed against the United States. Several senior Air Force officers involved in the planning are reportedly appalled at the implications of what they are doing—that Iran is being set up for an unprovoked nuclear attack—but no one is prepared to damage his career by posing any objections.

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http://www.amconmag.com/2005_08_01/article3.html


Last Stand
by Seymour Hersh

Rose Siding
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=220270

(...)
"In late April, the military leadership, headed by General Pace, achieved a major victory when the White House dropped its insistence that the plan for a bombing campaign include the possible use of a nuclear device to destroy Iran’s uranium-enrichment plant at Natanz, nearly two hundred miles south of Tehran. The huge complex includes large underground facilities built into seventy-five-foot-deep holes in the ground and designed to hold as many as fifty thousand centrifuges. “Bush and Cheney were dead serious about the nuclear planning,” the former senior intelligence official told me. “And Pace stood up to them."

(...)

[chill_wind]

9. This thread needs kicked. The information warfare and Bush admin

war-mongering has just been blown to new heights. It will not stop now of its own accord.

[jsamuel]

12. and they are using Fox News to spread the war idea

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[Vinca]

11. Will his majesty seek congressional approval before dropping

the nuke or will he consider it his right as president in a time of war? You know he wants to do it.

[spanone]

13. Of course he is. These people are zealots. Criminal zealots.

Political zealots. Right wing zealots. Neo-con zealots, anti-constitutional zealots. Any means justifies the end.

[DELUSIONAL]

14. That sums it up -- zealots.

which is why they are so scary.

I consider them the terrorists -- because they scare the hell out of me. The have the means, motive and opportunity to do the utmost harm to the largest number of people in a shorter time then all the vile evil creatures who came before them.

[oasis]

15. PNAC cockroaches are coming out of the cracks in the wall.(eom)

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

16. With PNAC Co-Founder John Bolton leading the way

[me b zola]

17. The drumming is getting louder

:scared:

[chill_wind]

19. Where are the Foreign Policy Dems?!

To counter this self-propelling conservative media lunacy? This is no time for a vacuum. These are dangerous developments. We need then out there. Now!

[saltpoint]

20. I think Bill Kristol is the way he is because he wants to emulate Roger

in LORD OF THE FLIES, William Golding's allegorical novel about initial human paradise descending into savagery.

I think that's the hook of the tune that Kristol hums in the shower.

[bloom]

21. I guess

If the object was to take out any country/group that would assist the Palestinians and/or defend Lebanon - they would have a point. The point may not be much different from Hitler's - but it's a point nonetheless.

Who are Hezbollah?

Hezbollah - or the Party of God - is a powerful political and military organisation of Shia Muslims in Lebanon.

It emerged with financial backing from Iran in the early 1980s and began a struggle to drive Israeli troops from Lebanon.

In May 2000 this aim was achieved, thanks largely to the success of the party's military arm, the Islamic Resistance.

In return, the movement, which represents Lebanon's Shia Muslims - the country's single largest community - won the respect of most Lebanese.

It now has an important presence in the Lebanese parliament and has built broad support by providing social services and health care. It also has an influential TV station, al-Manar...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4314423.stm