Did these kidnappings of AF personel start with the young Iraqi girl

[Amonester]

of 14 being (until he/they will be found either guilty or innocent) 'alledgedly' raped, and murdered with her family, including a child, by barbarians in uniforms, and then, other soldiers who had nothing to do with this got kidnapped in an ambush to 'avenge' this despicable crime. Did Hamas then got really upset (Raging? Probably.) and 'decided' to kidnap a soldier, and then on, and on, and on...

I'm I the only one thinking like this (and accusing those who started this unnessecary, non-last-resort war in Iraq based on constant lies, fabrications, and non-stop "Republican Media" propaganda, of being guilty of "not having taken 'what could go wrong' - like it's happening now - into serious consideration" because that's exactly what they wanted? i.g. Total chaos for lining their own pockets without ends and not caring about anything and any innocent life caught in their wrong-doings)?

Strange 'coincidences' (the kidnappings) methinks...

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

1. You're referring to the two U.S. soldiers kidnapped and beheaded?

Who were kidnapped from the same unit that allegedly raped and murdered the girl and her family? Interesting point, as that represents the start of a string of kidnapped soldiers, whether connected or not.

I don't recall the kidnapping of Israeli soldiers at previous times. Have there ever been any? Anyone know?

[NYC]

2. Soldiers are usually considered captured,

not kidnapped. Maybe that is why you haven't heard of it before.

???

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

3. Captured? Kidnapped?

I assume hostiles are "captured" by Israel, because that is recognized as a government by our media. I then assume the media uses "kidnapped" when it's done by guerrilla fighters or non-governmental forces such as the Iraqi Sunnis or others. I recall US media referring to the kidnapping of American soldiers who were subsequently beheaded. Google "two U.S. soldiers kidnapped" and you will find story after story calling it "kidnapping". Maybe I'm wrong about this use of language but, either way, I haven't heard of Israeli soldiers being either kidnapped or captured before.

[NYC]

4. Kidnapped in Iraq was the first I heard of soldiers

being kidnapped.

If there are 2 sides in the combat/conflict the taking of the opposition/enemy is the same whether called kidnapping or capturing.

I think the word "kidnapped" was misused in Iraq. When soldiers are out on army business, they are captured.

I thought there was an Israeli soldier who was captured individually not long ago (about a week and a half?), and was being held. I thought that was a separate incident from this one.

If I remember his name, I'll be back.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

9. You're talking about the dual citizen French/Israeli soldier Shalit

I agree with you that the use of the term kidnapping is inapprpropriate and I guess I didn't understand your original point.

I wasn't referring to the capture of Mr. Shalit in Gaza or of the two Israeli soldiers captured by Hezbollah. I was trying to remember any PREVIOUS kidnappings/captures of Israeli soldiers in the past. I'm not saying there's a connection between (1) the two U.S. soldiers captured in Iraq allegedy in retaliation for the rape and murder (2) the Israeli soldier captured in Gaza (3) the two Israeli soldiers captured by Hezbollah. I was merely trying to see if there was a previous history of the capturing of soldiers by Arab militants. These three incidents in rapid succession are maybe coincidence or maybe they are copycat tactics.

[NYC]

10. Shalit is the name.

So your point is that he seems to be the first one.

I honestly wouldn't know.

[Amonester]

5. Me too, and that's if there was kidnappings of Israeli personel b 4,

I want to know when, and where.

The innocent Iraqi girl tragedy might be at the source of all if there were none (kidnappings) B 4.

[pinto]

6. I think Hezbollah's agenda and timetable, as well as Israel's,

isn't necessarily connected with events in Iraq. We may connect them, from our perspective, but they may very well be operating from their own perspective. I don't think Iraq plays into it much, to be blunt.

[Amonester]

8. Yes, it's possible, but these guys know what's happening in Iraq

and that crime might have just 'infuriated' them beyond their senses (quite understandably), and they might have decided to 'lash' at 'anyone' nearby when they saw what the 'relatives' of the young girl and her family did to 'avenge' them.

If so, I sure blame the war criminals.

If not... then I blame them anyway.

[SensibleAmerican]

7. People can make excuses all day for these thugs

But for someone to say I kidnapped an Israeli soldier because of what a soldier for another country did in another country thousands of miles away is like saying Scott Peterson killed Laci Peterson because he was upset over the Roe v. Wade decision.

[reichstag911]

11. FOCUS, people, FOCUS!!!

The OP was not about Gilad Shalit, the Israeli soldier captured by Hezbollah in a cross-border incursion. The OP was about the two US soldiers captured, tortured and beheaded as revenge, it turns out, for the rape/murder of the 14-year-old girl and her family in Mahmoudiya.

And the answer to the OP is yes, I've seen in a few places that that's how the rape/murder coverup became untenable. There was too much chatter surrounding the "investigation" of the murders of the two soldiers about them being revenge killings for the family.

[Amonester]

12. I know the standard 'term' for the taking of Armed-Force staff is...

(usually) captured but I was asking myself if the word kidnappings was used by the media about that (tragic, again) ambush. And if the media used the word kidnappings while they should have used the 'standard' word, then I'd blame them also, but we all know they "sleep in the same" RW propaganda bag.