CNN: " Israel is continuing its Attacks against Hezbollah" wtf?

[leftchick]

That is how darren kagen started the news at 11:00. How is slaughtering 198 innocent Lebanese civilians an attack against Hezbollah?

How about you try reading this Darren?

"Israel hammers at Lebanese infrastructure" and citizens!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060717/ap_on_re_mi_ea/lebanon_israel_156

BEIRUT, Lebanon - Israeli warplanes pummeled Lebanese infrastructure Monday, killing at least 17 people. Hezbollah patron Iran said a cease-fire and a prisoner swap were possible, and the international community signaled willingness to send peacekeepers to back a diplomatic solution.

<snip>

Israeli planes and artillery guns killed 17 people and wounded at least 53 others in overnight attacks against Lebanon, Lebanese security officials said as the death toll from the conflict rose to more than 200 — 196 in Lebanon, according to the officials, and 24 in Israel.

Israel said its planes and artillery struck 60 targets in Lebanon overnight as its military responded to the barrage of 20 rockets on Haifa, the country's third-largest city, and one that had not been hit before the current round of fighting began July 12.



Women and children of the Ismaili family who fled the southern Lebanese village of Tyre, arrive in the port city of Sidon Lebanon, Monday July 17, 2006. Israel traded fierce barrages for a sixth day Monday, as the latest eruption of warfare in the Middle East showed no sign of easing, with the death toll on both sides rising to more than 200 at least 180 in Lebanon and 24 in Israel. (AP Photo/Mohammed Zaatari)

[Xenotime]

1. Who is this one man they are killing all these people for?

Is he a prince or something?

[leftchick]

2. it is an excuse

to destroy lebanon and have the US take care of Iran and Syria. At least that is their hope.

[akushuki]

3. No, its an excuse to destroy all the rockets Hezbollah has and to

punish the Lebanon government for not adhering to the UN resolution which demanded Lebanon take control from the Hezbollah militants in the south. Since they didn't do this they enabled Hezbollah to attack an Israeli outpost, kill 10 soldiers and kidnap two more.

[leftchick]

4. yeah

right.

[akushuki]

5. Here is the resoluton...

http://daccessdds.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N04/498/92/PDF/N0449892.pdf

Hezbollah crossed into Israeli territory and started blasting. Israel escalated. Israel KEEPS escalating. Eventually it'll come down to who has more missiles.

[leftchick]

14. hmmm

no mention of Israeli abductions. I do not believe the bullshit from the Israeli hardliners anymore than I believe the US neo-cons.

[Igel]

16. The Israeli abductions of Hamas members happened in

Gaza. All we know is that the two guys were taken by security forces ("kidnapped") near the border, and were Hamas. Why those two were targeted seems to be a deep mystery.

Solidarity between Hezbollah and Hamas is at least partially a dodge. They cooperate not out of love for each other, to the extent they cooperate, but because they find it to be in their mutual interest.

Hamas and Hezbollah share some common goals: both want the Palestinians out of Lebanon, although they disagree on the reasons. And both want the Jews out of Israel, without disagreeing on the reasons. Dead, converted, or simply elsewhere.

Hamas and Hezbollah also have similiar goals: both want to be in charge of an Islamist state; not necessarily Judenrein, but with the proper submission shown.

[tabasco]

6. Ohhhh.....sort of like attacking Iraq after al-qaeda attacked us.

Let's kill a lot of civilians who had nothing to do with attacking us!

Makes perfect sense to me now.

FREEDOM ON THE MARCH !!

[LostinVA]

9. Bingo n/t

[akushuki]

10. So are you suggesting that instead of attacking specific targets in

Lebanon that Israel should go to the REAL root of the problem which is Iran?

Considering the amount of Ordinance launched Israel has done remarkably well in keeping civilian casualties down to a low level.

[tabasco]

15. LMAO.

First of all, Israel is hardly doing surgical strikes on specific valid targets. They are bombing the hell out of neighborhoods and killing hundreds of innocent people. I suggest they stop that.

You seem to have been chugging a lot of the Fox News kool-aid that Iran is responsible for everything bad in the world, including the ring around your bathtub. Only gullible people people believe that crap. I suppose you thought Iraq was a great danger too.

The huge number of gullible pinheads in the world will be the death of us all.

[akushuki]

20. ....

This is a non-surgical strike.



This the type of strike Israel is doing



Notice the difference?

Here let me point them out.
1) number of ordinance
2) the first bombs from the b-52 have no guidance systems while the missile in the second photo has a computer on board to 'guide' the missile to a specific target. You may say it is a 'guided missile'.

Considering that the Israel military has dropped loads of ordinance onto lebanon with these few casualties is saying pretty good about the skill of the pilots and the quality of the weapons. The Israelis are NOT trying to murder everything in sight as you suggest. They are trying to destroy Hezbollah attack capabilities.

Also, I have given up on nearly all American media. BBCNEWS is probably the best news organization in the world. I suggest you try it out.

[leftchick]

23. Results of the PERFECTLY aimed "surgical strikes"...

Note: Remains of CITIZENS.....


A Lebanese Red Cross rescuer walks amongst rubble carrying a plastic bag looking for remains of citizens after Israeli air strikes targeted a building in the southern village of Zebdine, near the market town of Nabatiyeh, Lebanon, Sunday, July 16, 2006. Israeli air strikes reduced entire apartment buildings to rubble and knocked out electricity in swaths of the Lebanese capital Sunday, and Israel dramatically escalated the ferocity of its campaign after Hezbollah rockets hit the northern city of Haifa. (AP Photo/Mohammed Zaatari)




Lebanese citizens rush for refuge, amongst rubble, after Israeli airstrikes targeted a residential building in the southern village of Zebdine, near the market town of Nabatiyeh, Lebanon, Sunday, July 16, 2006. Israeli airstrikes reduced entire apartment buildings to rubble and knocked out electricity in swaths of the Lebanese capital Sunday, and Israel dramatically escalated the ferocity of its campaign after Hezbollah rockets hit the northern city of Haifa. (AP Photo/Mohammed Zaatari)




A Lebanese man looks on a destroyed four storey building after it was struck by an Israeli warplane missile in Abbaseyeh village on the outskirts of the southern Lebanon city of Tyre, Sunday July 16, 2006. Israeli airstrikes reduced entire apartment buildings to rubble and knocked out electricity in swaths of the Lebanese capital Sunday, and Israel dramatically escalated the ferocity of its campaign after Hezbollah rockets hit the northern city of Haifa. (AP Photo/Nasser Nasser)

I am sure this gal is a Hezbollah terrorist too right?






A Lebanese girl inspects the damage at the family house caused by an attack by an Israeli warplane missile at an apartment building across the road, at the Abbaseyeh village on the outskirts of the southern Lebanon city of Tyre, Sunday July 16, 2006. Israeli airstrikes reduced entire apartment buildings to rubble and knocked out electricity in swaths of the Lebanese capital Sunday, and Israel dramatically escalated the ferocity of its campaign after Hezbollah rockets hit the northern city of Haifa. (AP Photo/Nasser Nasser)

and this poor woman...





Mariam Shihabiyah, 39, a divorced mother of five, carries her pillows as she leaves a bombed area of the southern suburbs where her apartment is situated in Beirut, Lebanon Sunday, July 16, 2006. After days of airstrikes concentrated on the densely populated residential area near the destroyed Hezbollah headquarters, Shihabiyah returned to salvage belongings from her apartment, minutes before another series of airstrikes hit the area. (AP Photo/Ben Curtis)

and all of the children incinerated in the van fleeing because Israel told them to...





Marwa Abdallah, who survived Saturday's attack on a van in Tyre where twenty people where killed, rests at a hospital in Saida, south Lebanon July 16, 2006. Israeli air raids shook Beirut on Sunday, the fifth day of a devastating assault on Hizbollah and Lebanon that has prompted no U.N. Security Council action and only a mild plea for restraint from Israel's U.S. ally. REUTERS/Haidar Hawila (LEBANON)

Yes indeed, go ahead and live in your cnn/msrnc/faux news fantasy world. I will look at the facts.

[Spazito]

7. Hmmm, has Israel adhered to the various UN resolution passed

regarding their actions in the past? I don't think so. BOTH should adhere to UN resolutions passed if one is to be critical, right, not just demanding one adhere while ignoring the facts that the other has also ignored UN resolutions.

[Igel]

18. I'm unaware of any involving

Lebanon that they're not currently in compliance with.

The loophole is that the Palestinians, while in Lebanon, aren't treated as Lebanese. But Hezbollah only cares about them enough to want them gone.

Whether you want compliance or not, wanting it in some instances and decrying non-compliance in others seems a bit iffy.

[Spazito]

21. Ahhh, it's okay, then, for Israel to ignore UN resolutions EXCEPT

for Lebanon, wow, interesting perspective to say the least. How about both/all sides adhere to UN resolutions, period, a novel idea I know.

Edited to add all to the equation.

[LostinVA]

8. You got it n/t

[NotGivingUp]

11. How much more can we stand? People will believe this shit, too.

[gatorboy]

12. "Lebanon is Hezbollah and a 15 year old girl is a woman."

I was listening to CNN this morning and noticed the interesting way they tried softening the story. There was hardly ever a mention of Lebanon itself. Only that Israel was bombing "Hezbollah". Which surprised me considering I didn't know Hezbollah was a country now!

[ovidsen]

13. Hezbollah is a part of Lebanon

It's not just a "terror"/"freedom" organization that just happens to be based in south Lebanon.

Hezbollah's political wing holds 23 seats in Lebanon's 128-member parliament. Two Lebanese Cabinet ministers are Hezbollah members.

To treat Hezbollah and Lebanon's government as separate entities is denying these facts.

[The Stranger]

19. To treat them as the same entity is to be disingenuous and to distort fact

[Igel]

22. If you actually pull out a map and look at what they're

bombing; if you stop and think about how one could plausibly achieve the short-term goals Israel's stated; then you realize that "bombing Hezbollah" is a sufficient description, albeit highly abbreviated, description.

There are a lot of raids that leave me wondering, but about which I have very limited information; but I've seen similar reports about "targeting civilians" for Gaza, with a minority of the reports actually giving the information that there was a military target hiding among civilians. For many of the instances of "collective punishment" or "bombing civilian infrastructure" there are good military reasons.

Take the attacks on the Beirut suburbs. Surely, nothing to attack there, assuming no Hezbollah folks sheltering there, and no munitions stored there. But AA batteries tend to be scattered about a city, esp. on its outskirts: if you only shoot down a plane when it's over the center of the city, it's a waste of time. I suspect some bombing runs in Beirut's suburbs took out AA emplacements.

Hezbollah needs arms. Currently they're forced to smuggle them over indirect routes along the Syrian border, if at all. They can't use the previous routes for amassing 12k rockets for putatively peaceful use against Isarel. They can't bring them in by air or over the main roads. The ports are out of commission. This is likely to end the conflict faster, by making it harder for Hezbollah to defend itself; and result in fewer Israeli civilian deaths, by making for fewer bombs to target Israeli civilians.

Hezbollah's political and military organization was based in s. Beirut. S. Beirut took almost all the air strikes; most of the pictures from Beirut say that a Hezbollah target was hit, or adjacent to what was hit. If debka's right that they've relocated to the north, and smuggling stuff over the Syrian border (or if the reports fueling debka are also believed by the Israeli military), expect bombing runs near Hermel and along the Syrian border.

[treestar]

17. It's like the US attacks on Al Qaeda

Trying to pretend a noncountry is a country

[burythehatchet]

24. The propoganda campaign is in full force

It's upsetting at first but you have to see it for what it is.

There was a human interest story on CNN with regular people in Haifa who are under siege. It shows their despair and fear of missles landing on their head. It must be a horrible situation, to be sure. Now, where's the rest of the story?