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aquamarina Donating Member (772 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 06:35 PM
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Why do I even bother
This morning I recieved the following email from a friend who
recieved it from a friend who got it from a friend.  I decided
to respond to the original poster because I was a little taken
back by the question at the end of the email asking,
"How's the left going to handle this one?"

So here's the email I got:

Hooray for Michigan State  University

Well, what do we have here? Looks like a small case of some 
people being able to dish it out, but not take it.  Let's
start at the  top.  The story begins at Michigan State
University with a mechanical  engineering professor named
Indrek Wichman. 
Wichman sent an e-mail to the Muslim  Student's Association. 
The e-mail was in response to the students' protest  of the
Danish cartoons that portrayed the Prophet Muhammad as a
terrorist.   The group had complained the cartoons were
"hate speech." Enter Professor  Wichman. In his
e-mail, he said the following: 

Dear Muslim Association: 
As a professor of Mechanical Engineering here at MSU I  intend
to protest your protest. I am  offended not by cartoons, but
by more mundane things like beheadings of civilians, cowardly
attacks on public buildings, suicide murders, murders of
Catholic priests (the latest in Turkey!), burnings of
Christian churches, the  continued persecution of Coptic
Christians in Egypt, the imposition of Sharia  law on
non-Muslims, the rapes of Scandinavian girls and women 
(called "whores"  in your culture), the murder of
film directors in Holland, and the rioting and  looting in
Paris, France. 
This is  what offends me, a soft-spoken person and academic,
and many, many, many of my  colleagues. I counsel you
dissatisfied, aggressive, brutal, and uncivilized 
slave-trading Moslems to be very aware of this as you proceed
with your  infantile "protests." 
If you do  not like the values of the West -- see the First
Amendment -- you are free to  leave.  I hope for God's sake
that most of you choose that option.   Please return to your
ancestral homelands and build them up yourselves instead  of
troubling Americans. 

Cordially, 
I. S. Wichman Professor of Mechanical  Engineering 
____________________________________
As you can imagine, the Muslim group at the university  didn't
like this too well. They're demanding  that Wichman be
reprimanded  and mandatory diversity training for faculty and
a seminar on hate and  discrimination for freshmen. Now the
Michigan chapter of CAIR has jumped into  the fray. CAIR, the
Council on American-Islamic Relations, apparently doesn't 
believe that the good professor had the right to express his 
opinion. 
For its part, the  university is standing its ground. They say
the e-mail 
was private, and they  don't intend to publicly condemn his
remarks. That will probably change. Wichman  says he never
intended the e-mail to be made public, and wouldn't have used
the  same strong language if he'd known it was going to get
out. 
How's the left going to handle this one? If  you're in favor
of the freedom of speech, as in the case of Ward Churchill,
will  the same protections be demanded for Indrek Wichman? I
doubt it. 
Hey  folks, send this to your friends, and ask them to do the
same.  Tell them  to keep passing it around until the whole
country gets it. We are in a war.  This political correctness
crap is getting  old!


And here's what I wrote back to the poster:

Hi _______:
 
I recently recieved this email from a friend who recieved it
from a friend, etc and I wanted to respond to the question
posed at the end of the message - "How's the left going
to handle this one?"
 
In my opinion, the email insinuates that "the left"
has a double standard when it comes to free speech.  I am here
to tell you that as a proud member of "the left" I
didn't find the posting of this email offensive at all.  I
still believe as do true members of "the left" that
we have the right to freedom of speech as laid out in the Bill
of Rights and the Constitution  - which means that we respect
the right of all people to their opinions - even if we don't
agree with them.  I have personally listened to Winston
Churchills's speeches and I have watched the furor over the
muslim cartoon.  I have also listened to the Swift Boat
Veterans and the attempt to amend the Constitution to ban the
burning of the American flag.  I will never begrudge a person
of their opinion or their right to their opinion.  Most of us
on the left however, will draw the line at lying (Swift Boat
Veterans) and amending the Constitution to restrict freedom of
speech (flag burning amendment).  In this particular email two
groups of people have their own opinions which they are
entitled to.  I too have very strong opinions regarding the
cartoon incident - most of which, I think,  would surprise
you.  I think the calls to incite violence by some of the
muslim groups as a result of this cartoon are wrong and
irresponsible.  I also think that when a Senator stands on the
floor of the Senate (Senatory John Cornyn, R. Tx) and states,
"I don't know if there is a cause-and-effect connection,
but we have seen some recent episodes of courthouse violence
in this country. . . . And I wonder whether there may be some
connection between the perception in some quarters, on some
occasions, where judges are making political decisions yet are
unaccountable to the public, that it builds up and builds up
and builds up to the point where some people engage in, engage
in violence. Certainly without any justification, but a
concern that I have."
are equally harmful irresponsible. 
 
However the point of this message is that perhaps you might
refrain from brushing with broad strokes what your perception
of what "the left" really believes.  
 
Regards,
 
K________


And here's what the poster sent back to me:

I don't really care what you think.  If you don't like it,
delete it!  I didn't send it to you and I don't appreciate
your writing to me, who you don't know.
But you are now blocked from sending me any more of your
left-wing crap.


So much for my attempt to breach the vast divide... and I
thought I was being nice.


 
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 06:38 PM
Response to Original message
1. you really can't be nice to rightwingers... that's a "feel good" myth
we need to discard, pronto...
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Monkeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 06:39 PM
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2. give me a break why can they dish it out but can't take it
Your email was nice
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POAS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 06:42 PM
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3. Whatta schmuck!
He was trying to be nice? I'm glad he wasn't trying to be nasty.
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 06:46 PM
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4. I think the last little sentence (bridge divide, nice) was from the OP of
this thread, NOT the wingnut email spammer.
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POAS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 06:50 PM
Response to Reply #4
8. On re-reading I agree
Edited on Mon Jul-24-06 06:51 PM by POAS
edited to add

but he's still a schmuck
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Make7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 06:46 PM
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5. Just to annoy them I would set up new email accounts and continue...
... to email this person. Try to be reasonable and if that doesn't work, start sending them the "left-wing crap" they expect.

Sure it takes a little bit of effort, but sometimes it's fun to annoy people.

-Make7
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 06:48 PM
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6. Shame on you
You ripped the rug out from under him/her by not living up to their expectations. On top of that you were calm and rational. For your impudence you shall suffer the death of a thousand cuts.

Oh -- erm, this is email.

Well then, you shall suffer the death of a thousand spams!

Seriously, nice job. :thumbsup:
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evlbstrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 06:48 PM
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7. I thought your reply was quite restrained.
Continually referring to the First Amendment was a great tactic.
So, now you know who you're arguing with. There is very little or no tolerance on the other side(s).
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Totallybushed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 06:54 PM
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9. It was a nice gesture
to reach out, and your response was almost perfect.
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driver8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 07:05 PM
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10. Typical reply from the right. They don't like to be confronted with
the truth. They would rather believe their narrow view of what the left is all about; it makes them feel oh so superior.

I guess in this case we know who doesn't believe in free speech, don't we?
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 07:39 PM
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11. Snopes take on it...
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 08:19 PM
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12. They don't want a dialog
they simply want to spew out their hate.
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