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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 01:51 PM
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The Day after Qana Massacre: Who Cares?
http://www.payvand.com/news/06/aug/1004.html

Those that know the "real" history of the Middle East are not shocked with the recent tragic deaths of so many innocent people. They know that this episode, along with so many other atrocities will soon be forgotten. It is the nature of things that it is always the winners and the powerful that write the history. The weak and the conquered are always the ones that are blamed for all the misfortune that has befallen them.

Looking back, we see that these atrocities have been happening for a long time and with some regularity. Those involved then are indirectly involved now. They cheer, the slaughter of the innocent and the defenceless, now as they did then. Iraq in 1920s (as she is today) was occupied by a western power, namely Britain. T.E. Lawrence (Lawrence of Arabia) a colonel in the British army seeing the atrocities committed by British army questioned the morality of what the British government was doing in Iraq. In an article that was published on 8 August 1920, he wrote the following:

"These risings take a regular course. There is a preliminary Arab success, then British reinforcements go out as a punitive force. They fight their way (our losses are slight, the Arab losses heavy) to their objective, which is meanwhile bombarded by artillery, aeroplanes, or gunboats. Finally, perhaps, a village is burnt and the district pacified. It is odd that we do not use poison gas on these occasions. Bombing the houses is a patchy way of getting the women and children, and our infantry always incur losses in shooting down the Arab men. By gas attacks the whole population of offending districts could be wiped out neatly; and as a method of government it would be no more immoral than the present system."

As you see, things haven't changed much. The Arabs are still being killed and the leading Western leaders still cheer on the slaughter. snip

But let us be honest, who really cares if 10, 20 or even 100 kids are blown to pieces? How many Iraqi children were killed during the invasion of Iraq or for that matter how many died as the result of US sanctions? Do you know? When Madeline Allbright was asked in 60 Minutes of CBS in 1996 whether it was worth to kill over 500,000 children in Iraq, she said that it was worth it. But it is unfair to blame you in Belgium or Sweden for not caring. After all, if the governments of Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Egypt keep silent and indeed help Israel, why should you care? snip

As for us, well, as long as we don't see these children's faces or their mangled bodies on the TV, everything is fine. We must thank the "embedded" journalists for keeping these horrors out of our living rooms. They did a good job in Iraq, but unfortunately since US and British troops are not present in Lebanon, Journalists are allowed to film and take pictures. Although in all fairness, I have to mention that a lot of really horrible stuff is kindly censured, ooops sorry, sanitised before being published.

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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 01:54 PM
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1. If 34 Israeli children had died from an Hezbollah bomb....?
It would probably be equivalent to 9/11 in our media? I have little doubt that it would be a much larger story...
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 01:57 PM
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2. And if it had been 34 dead Iraqi children it would have received Ø coverage
Strange how that works.

Don
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 02:09 PM
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6. From MSMachine's perspective
Mel Gibson's words are more offensive than Israel's deeds. I fugging give up.
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Scout Finch Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 02:02 PM
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3. I care
I care that Israeli soldiers repeatly send messages to inhabitants of forthcoming gunfire while Hezbollah then places women and children directly INTO harm's way of the Israeli gunfire. When those women and chilren die, Hezbollah holds their lifeless bodies up as propaganda.

Why do you suppose Hezbollah purposely hides amongst civilian areas, in the neighborhoods, wearing civilian clothes? And the Western media eats all this up like spoonfed pablum.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 02:07 PM
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5. I remember playing outside as a kid a 100 yards from a US Army Nike base
Edited on Tue Aug-01-06 02:08 PM by NNN0LHI
Why does America put its weaponry among its inhabitants?

Don
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Scout Finch Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 02:13 PM
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9. well...
I'm thinking 100 yards is a greater distance that setting up artillary inside of an occupied apartment in a densely populated neighborhood.

One of Hezbollah's goals is to experience many deaths amongst their own women and children. This serves twofold: It garners more "world sympathy" and they have little respect for women and (female) children anyway.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 02:21 PM
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12. I assume you have no idea what a Nike base was?
Edited on Tue Aug-01-06 02:45 PM by NNN0LHI
It was a system that would fire missiles which detonate nuclear warheads in the skies above the suburbs were we lived in hopes of saving Chicago during a Soviet nuclear attack using long range bombers or ICBMs.

If the Nike Missiles were ever used the air bursts from those nuclear detonations alone would have certainly been enough to kill all of us people living in the suburbs. We were expendable.

Don
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 02:04 PM
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4. This is why there will be a pause before the US "Hezbollah" attack...
that will launch the war with Iran. If the attack came now, Israel might be blamed. But if it comes in Sept/Oct, it will be seen as a completely unprovoked attack.

The MTV generation.
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Sinti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 02:12 PM
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8. Clever n/t
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 02:16 PM
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11. BTW: This is why Bush/Rice wants Israel to get it over within a week...
Edited on Tue Aug-01-06 02:23 PM by Junkdrawer
or so. If Israel keeps dragging their feet, it will make the pause shorter and shorter.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 02:10 PM
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7. Thanks....This is a very interesting read...worth going to the link.
History repeating itself and the Chicken Hawks passing off their dirty wars on to NATO to bail them out. It's good to read this former professor's cautioning and hope that it gets passed around, everywhere.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 02:15 PM
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10. A little more from the article that's important:



Recently José-María Aznar the ex-prime minister of Spain, in an interview (Hard Talk, BBC) gave the impression that not only he wanted Israel in NATO, but that it was NATO's job to take care of Lebanon.

So now we run the risk of seeing NATO, the defensive organisation that was created to defend its members against USSR, embarking on the war of conquest orchestrated by US or Israel. The funny part about this is that people do not seem to realise that it is they, through their blood and taxes, that have to pay for the coming wars. US would love nothing more to see others pay for the cost of war in Iraq. Similarly, Israel would love nothing more to see German, Italian, French, or Spanish soldiers getting killed in Lebanon, not to mention paying for the war as well.


Today, the US and Israel will try their best to get NATO troops involved in Lebanon. Tomorrow, it will be Gaza, and the day after it will be Iran and later Syria.

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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 05:01 PM
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13. A KICK for those "quieter DU'ers who want to read and think about issues.
It's a very interesting read. Or, at least, I thought so...and so did the "OP."
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 06:20 PM
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14. You know...this is a very good read for "Quiet" DU'ers not from a
"well known DU site" but a site that is expressing a "difference of opinion" and that's why I'm here on DU...to read everthing and THEN ..make my own opinion.

Whether you agree or not...going to the link and READING is well worth it..it does make one think...and you won't hear this on CNN/MSNBC and that's all the more reason why it's sort of an "underground view."

I don't know if I agree with it all...but it sure caused my brain wheels to turn. :shrug: Ignoring it...seems kind of shallow...but then..what do I know about anything...just a poster in cyberspace.......
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