If you support Israel's war, you have to support Bush's response. Right?

[bigtree]

Is there any criticism of the Bush regime's response to this conflict. I haven't found ANYTHING this administration has done that I even remotely support.

I wonder, is this Israeli war and the lack of resistance to it from the WH making some of our Democrats sweet on Bush?

[bryant69]

1. Response to what?

Or perhaps I can make your point more succinctly - "If you support Israel's War, you must be a Neoconservative."

or am I misreading you?

Bryant
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[bigtree]

5. It's a straightfoward question. Why is that so hard to answer?

I wonder if there is such support for Israel's actions if that makes these indivduals less opposed to Bush?

What if there was a candidate who emerged with a less strident defense of Israel. Would Bush and his approach be favored? Will we see one day a Democratic embrace of some Bush doctrine regarding his and Condi's molding of a New Middle East?

How far and how deep does the president's support for Israel's actions resonate with supporters of Israel's actions in our party?

[bryant69]

11. I suppose yes

If you want Israel to "finish the job" so to speak and take out Hezbollah, you have to support President Bush's goals in this area.

[cgrindley]

2. No, of course not

I don't know what the post body has to to with subject line, but that subject line is the singularly dumbest thing I've read in like a week.

[porphyrian]

3. Serial killers like to watch television.

Does that mean everyone who likes to watch television is a serial killer? Can we have some logic back now?

[bigtree]

9. That's fine for a premise, I'm not making one.

Bush supports Israel's actions. If he didn't he'd hear about it from those who do. Why isn't it a legitimate question to ask what effect his support is having on Democrats who share his strident defense and support of Israel's actions? It's much like any other issue where Democrats might find agreement with something he did, only this issue carries so much weight, I wonder how much Bush's actions appeal to our Democrats.

[porphyrian]

13. I didn't say it wasn't a legitimate question. I said the premise is...

...illogical. There aren't any stupid questions, just stupid people.

[bigtree]

15. c'mon, I've never insulted you

It was a question that YOU turned into your own premise as an answer. I still don't know to what extent you support Bush's efforts, initiatives, etc. in this. That's what I'm curious about, and how does that affect your support/non-support for him?

[porphyrian]

17. I didn't insult you, either.

That's just the way you interpreted my post. You made assumptions based on an ambiguous statement, and perhaps on my local rep as an asshole, that I was implying that you were stupid. This exactly illustrates my point - though there may be a parallel between supporting Israel and supporting bush's support of Israel, the two are in no way necessarily connected at all. So, my answer was my answer.

[cali]

4. A prime example of logical fallacy. n/t

[bigtree]

6. It's a question, not a premise or logic

[Renew Deal]

7. What response?

Even if you support what's going on in Israel, it's hard to support the circus in DC.

[oberliner]

8. No, not at all, his response his been pathetic, as usual

In fact, if he had engaged in some diplomacy over the past two years, as Clinton (or Kerry or Clark or pretty much any Democrat) would have done, we would not have even reached this point at all.

His current approach of making meaningless rhetorical statements which demonstrate a complete lack of any understanding about the region has also been entirely useless.

Bush has been a TOTAL FAILURE is his approach to the Middle East since day one.

Any of the aforementioned Democrats would have the credibility, knowledge, and diplomatical tact to engage all involved parties and help guide them to a solution to this crisis.

[bigtree]

10. thanks for that. pretty clear lines of distinction between Bush's actions

and your aspirations for the office holder

[bushisamoran]

12. Maybe but any Democrat who would potentially oppose Bush

or whatever "heir" he has in the next election, might well be almost as supportive of Israel, or at least not that critical of Israel so as to turn the Israel-supporter's vote. Look at what Kerry said - If he had been President, he probably didn't say anything that would have annoyed a serious Israeli supporter all that much.

[bigtree]

14. At this point I would say that's on target

But, I've been through enough elections to know that perceptions can turn with events. I don't see this one, coupled with our own militarism, going away soon. The ripple effects could escalate our country's involvement in some splinter reaction or reprisal from Israel's detractors. I would be very careful about embracing ANYTHING Bush does, candidate or not.

[newyawker99]

16. Hi bushisamoran!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Pepper32]

18. flip flop

:evilgrin:

[noonwitch]

19. No-Israel was attacked by the guys they are retaliating against

We were not attacked by Iraq. I do support the war in Afganistan, as the people who did attack us are hiding out there. I support our soldiers wherever they are, even if I don't like the idea that they are there.

I know someone who is an enlistee in the Army and it's interesting to hear her take on things. I asked her if the Dixie Chicks were going to play her base anytime soon and you'd think I suggested burning flags or something from the reaction I got. I was teasing, too, I wasn't saying it in any kind of serious manner.