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kurth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 09:38 AM
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RW angry at military for not killing 190 Taliban fighters at funeral
What RW radio callers are mad about this morning:

U.S. passes up chance to strike Taliban
Predator had suspected fighters in its sights, but military passed on shot
NBC News and news services
Updated: 7:27 p.m. CT Sept 13, 2006

U.S. military officials tell NBC News they had “high-level” Taliban fighters in their gunsights during a July reconnaissance flight but decided not to fire. The decision to pass on the target angered some in the military, but commanders say they have “no regrets.” Army intelligence officers say the grainy black-and-white aerial photo taken by a Predator drone and obtained by NBC News on Tuesday shows some 190 suspected Taliban militants standing in several rows outside near a vehicle in Afghanistan. The military said Wednesday that the group seen in the Predator image was apparently gathered for a funeral at a cemetery.

Intelligence officers monitoring the footage captured by the armed, unmanned aircraft tell NBC News they were prepared to fire at the group but were prevented from doing so by military rules of engagement that prohibit targeting a cemetery. Such rules are in place in an effort to minimize collateral damage, the killing of innocent civilians or destruction of sensitive targets, such as religious sites. “During the observation of the group over a significant period of time, it was determined that the group was located on the grounds of a cemetery and were likely conducting a funeral for Taliban insurgents killed in a coalition operation nearby earlier in the day,” a coalition spokesperson said. “A decision was made not to strike this group of insurgents at that specific location and time.”

Even though U.S. military officials in Afghanistan had positively identified those gathered as Taliban fighters, including some “high-level Taliban leaders,” they told NBC News they have “no regrets” in refusing to give the order to attack the gathering. “Coalition Forces do not discuss rules of engagement; however, they hold themselves to a higher moral and ethical standard than their enemies,” the military said in a statement. The decision not to fire angered some military officials who said the U.S. passed up an opportunity to strike a valuable target. “That was frustrating, those individuals lived to fight another day,” Lt. Col. David Morrison of U.S. Army Intelligence told NBC News. They “potentially could cause harm to our soldiers, civilians, the population and the government of Afghanistan.”

Every airstrike, whether from a manned aircraft or a Predator, must be at least approved by commanders at the regional Combined Air Operations Center, or CAOC. If an intended target is particularly sensitive, the decision could go all the way up to a general officer serving as top combat commander. The rules of engagement are some of the most closely guarded secrets in the U.S. military. Once revealed, they may allow the enemy to modify its tactics, techniques and procedures to make itself less of a target. The current rules of engagement, likely developed by senior Pentagon officials, do not rule out an attack on religious gathering but do generally prohibit an attack on a religious site such as a cemetery or mosque, military analyst and retired Army Col. Jack Jacobs told MSNBC TV. “The reason for these rules of engagement is that we’re not engaged in a full-out war, where we have unconditional surrender as the objective. In that case we would bomb everyone and sort it out later on,” Jacobs said. “You have a very heavy political component here, and that’s why (the rules of engagement) are difficult to change.” ...

Pic at http://msnbc.msn.com/id/14823099/

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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 09:39 AM
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1. Damn you, Sandy Berger!!
Edited on Thu Sep-14-06 09:53 AM by Richardo
Wait a sec.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 09:41 AM
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2. ...
Edited on Thu Sep-14-06 09:41 AM by redqueen
:rofl:
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 09:46 AM
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5. I agree! Why wouldn't Clinton let them attack?
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 09:44 AM
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3. Didn't the military take out a wedding party and kill 160+ Iraqi
...civilians near the border of Iraq and Syria back at the beginning of the Iraq war? They took a lot of heat over that as I recall.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 09:44 AM
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4. Well, if Osama was smart, he and his evildoing pals would HIDE OUT in a
cemetery...!!!

Way ta go, Monkey!!! Telling Osama our STATE SECRETS!!!!!!
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 09:48 AM
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6. A funeral is a religious ceremony.
Churches were traditionally viewed as sanctuaries. Remember the "Hunchback of Notre Dame." The funeral was attended by Taliban members, but probably also by innocent elderly people and children.

Besides, I wonder if the fact that the gathering was at a cemetery was the real reason the military did not allow the strike. I note that the military has not hesitated to enter mosques in Iraq to hunt down insurgents.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 09:53 AM
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10. A wedding is also a religious ceremony, but that didn't stop the US
from their bombing raid.
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 09:49 AM
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7. RW angry @ military for not killing ever Arab
:-(
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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 09:52 AM
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8. Why not just wait 'til they go home?
I don't get it. You know where they are. You can't hit them now, buy they can't stay there forever. Can't you just circle the Predator, or send one over every few minutes until it's over? :shrug:
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 09:53 AM
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9. Imagine how pissed off the RWers would have been if the drinks had
been poisoned at the Reagan funeral ...

Well, there would have been celebration if the deaths had included Bill, Hillary, and Chelsea ... dancing in the streets of red-state 'Murikkka
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 10:00 AM
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11. I heard a military Special Forces guy on the radio yesterday
talking about this. He said the military did the right thing in not firing on those guys BECAUSE the first thing you learn in Special Forces is thatyou NEVER shoot unless you are SURE of your target! In Iraq it's a different fight than previous wars where you knew your enemy by the uniform they wore. How could our guys have known for sure that those guys were in fact the enemy?

I guess the RWers woulddisagree, butI believe that Spec. Forces guy was right!
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roamer65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 10:08 AM
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12. Stern blew a gasket about this on yesterday's show
I loved his comment that the next President should say, "The minute I take office, we're out of Iraq...Period."
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