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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 07:48 AM
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I just have to give Hugo Chavez his props...
for his brilliant, and probably history making, smack down of Il Dunce. In terms of style, substance and affect, it was utterly Churchillian.

Regardless of what you think of his politics, you must admit that he is the only one in the world right now who has the balls to say the things that he is saying. He is the only one in the world right now who has the balls to stand up to the bullies and thugs who have taken control of this country.

I can still smell the sulfur....

:applause: :rofl:
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TheFriedPiper Donating Member (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 07:49 AM
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1. It would have been more effective if he didn't use religious mythical
figures.

The truth is: Bush is a lazy, stupid, ignorant man who doesn't care if his handlers are evil.

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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 07:54 AM
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3. I disagree...
that was part of the brilliance of it, because Bush DOES have a messiah complex and he does, in his deluded mind, think that he is doing God's bidding.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 07:57 AM
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 08:03 AM
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10. Maybe they can "cure" religious people
the way they "cure" gays.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 07:56 AM
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6. As long as the Pig Bush keeps screeding about "GOD"...
...Then the "Devil" reference is VERY appropriate.

I would vote for "Antichrist" m'self.
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TheFriedPiper Donating Member (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 07:59 AM
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8. Focusing on the myths ignores the reality that Bush is an evil puppet
of evil men.

No fictional characters at all. They are real, unlike 'god' and the 'devil'.

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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 08:18 AM
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19. Metaphors are often what makes a great speech....
These are things that people remember, and can take away with them. He was trying to get a point across, along with shock value that would get attention. It was a pointed personal attack on George Bush, not on the American people, and again, I just think it was a brilliant one.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 08:36 AM
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34. You want to hijack the thread into a debate about the validity of
religion. Why are you trying to change the subject?
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 08:08 AM
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15. I disagree
When Bush parades as some annoined messiah chosen by god to lead a crusade, this is a very appropriate response. Chavez delivered a great speech yesterday and I wish people would discuss the entire contents of the speech rather than just the opening remarks
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 02:44 PM
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56. See post #40 !!!
Anyone who has NOT read the transcript of the entire speech would be well-advised to do so before commenting. Chavez was brilliant! He was hysterical! :rofl: Then he SPOKE THE TRUTH. I should like to see a coherent argument against any of the substantial points he made. Forget his little stand-up routine. READ THE TEXT. Even if you've seen the video, READ THE TEXT.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 08:25 AM
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24. He put it absolutely in the right context. In case you have forgotten..
chimp's rise to power was based upon his being a moral Christian man. Give me a break. I can smell the sulfur too.
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 09:13 AM
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42. I agree, he cut through
all the BS right to the meat of the matter-
bush's speech are filled with christIAN 'buzz-words' hidden from direct scrutiny much of the time, (except when he's talking off the cuff- Crusaides- for example) His "evildoer" refrences, and "wonderworking power" and "loving your neighbor as you want.to... ahhhh....." rhetoric are sprinkled in to his words to lure churchgoers in subtle ways into believing he is 'the good guy'.

And it annoys the hell out of me-

Manipulation plain and simple. Chavez used bushs biblical barbs in PLAIN- BOLD- blunt examples, complete with the 'brimstone'(sulphur) effects.

He didn't make veiled, or subtle nuiances- he used *'s lingo to expose the man himself.

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EarthNeedsHope Donating Member (102 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 09:26 AM
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45. "Devil" wasn't meant to be taken literally
It was just an insult. I thought that was obvious, even through the Latin american-us culture filter.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 07:54 AM
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2. Agreed! The devil reference was
so metaphorically accurate and what about that applause he got? :)
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GOPBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 07:54 AM
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4. I agree with you there, but
I still don't think we should consider Chavez as an ally. The guy is just as evil as Bush. He allies himself with vicious regimes (yes, we do that too :-)).
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 08:00 AM
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9. evil???!
wtf???
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 08:34 AM
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33. I don't think he is as evil as Bush,
but I agree that we should not consider him an ally just because he is anti-Bush. We should judge him based on what he does for his citizens which I think, on balance, is positive, not on whether he is for or against some foreign leader.
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 09:03 AM
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39. can you give
specific examples of why you consider him (Chavez) evil?

I find I have based many of my perspectives of others on the word of the American media, and not on any factual, verifiable evidence to prove the statements that are put out as "TRUTH" by this 'honest' "transparent" government we supposedly have.

Propaganda and prejudce are equal opportunity destroyers.

Please educate us.
I'm not being snotty or sarcastic- I honestly desire to know and understand.
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GOPBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 09:23 AM
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43. Just the fact that he allies himself with regimes like Iran
I think that's enough to drive my opinion of him down. I think most people just like anyone who is anti-Bush -- like "enemy of my enemy is my friend." I don't think that's true. Sometimes they're both enemies.

I hate our government for it's dealings with the likes of Saudi Arabia, so why shouldn't I hate Chavez for his alliance with Iran? Iran is just as bad as Saudi Arabia.
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 10:02 AM
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48. um, please work with me here
you say the fact that Chavez allies himself with Iran is enough to justify your negative opinion of him- then you say:

... "the enemy of my enemy is my friend." I don't think that's true. Sometimes they're both enemies.



So, does that make the "friend" of your "enemy" your enemy????

What ever happened to the notion of judging, and evaluating people on thier own MERITS and ACTIONS rather than thier affiliations, or other superficial and often uncharacteristic connections?

I have a few friends who are republicans. They are good people, even if I do not share thier political positions. I personally think they cling to the familiar, because they aren't ready to face the truth. And they hold many views, and do many things that are 180%'s opposed to the right-wing agenda. Am *I* now 'your enemy' because I have friends who are your enemy?

I've spent much of my life living down the reputation of a relative. I myself am nothing like the person in question, but was guilty by association.-(or accident of birth in this case). The people who won't give me or my family the time of day based solely on thier view of my relative are the real losers- because they let others determine what they are 'supposed' to think- and WHO they are willing to get to know.

long-winded, but please think about this.
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GOPBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 10:22 AM
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49. No, that's not the case either.
I agree with what you're saying. Let me explain what I'm saying.

I'm judging Iran's government because they are theocratic pigs who don't allow freedom of religion or separation of church and state -- like the fundies in this country dream of. Now I'm only judging Chavez because he allies himself with Iran. He's a democratically elected leader, so he should be above allying himself with a theocracy. If I hate Bush and our government for being friendly with Saudi Arabia, why can't I hate Chavez for being friendly with Iran?

To tell you the truth, however, I just did some research and realized that, other than allying himself despotic regimes, he actually is good for his citizens. I'm probably guilty of believing stuff just because I hear it in the media. I apologize for my ignorance there.

However, I still won't forgive Chavez for his dealings with Iran.
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 10:38 AM
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50. thanks, I
don't much care for the notion of a theocracy myself. But I won't dismiss Chavez based on his ...?.. being willing to associate with them. People make mistakes, and aren't perfect- I'm living proof of that. It's the 'whole package' that I have to look at when evaluating my admiration or frustration with a person. And most of the time I try to cut people a bit of slack, at least initially.

Thanks for helping me understand your perspective.

peace,
blu
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 07:55 AM
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5. He's the only one?
I thought his speech was overblown and lacking in sense - both tactically and logically.

But I also recognize that we are so hungry to see legitimate criticism of Bush that those sorts of criticisms don't matter so much.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 08:05 AM
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11. Give me an example of somebody else who does?...n/t
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 08:08 AM
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14. An example of someone else who criticizes Bush?
Hmmmmm. Howard Dean.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 08:10 AM
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16. No, I'm not talking about criticism...
I'm talking about a smackdown in front of the world. It was a personal attack. Howard Dean has never done that.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 08:16 AM
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18. Is a personal attack a good thing?
Calling President Bush the devil is a step forward? But obviously if you narrow it like that - well, relitively few people are invited to speak at the United Nations.

Bryant
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 08:40 AM
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36. I don't know if it's a good thing, time will tell...
maybe in this instance it WAS a good thing.

We know Bush won't listen because he's an ignorant egomaniac and in his mind everybody else is wrong and he's right.

But other people were listening and they heard the message, and they applauded it, and maybe we need to listen too.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 08:42 AM
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37. How many of those people in the United Nations get to vote?
Are you familiar with the phrase "Nobody beats up my brother but me?"

Bryant
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 09:24 AM
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44. Are you familiar with the phrase...
the enemy of my enemy is my friend?
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 09:47 AM
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47. I am - but don't put much stock in it.
Bryant
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 10:49 AM
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51. Well, just look around DU...
and you will find that there are many people who do.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 11:04 AM
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52. Well it's not like this is the first time
I've been out of step with DU.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 08:06 AM
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13. I was more interested in the reaction of the audience. nt
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 08:30 AM
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28. Did you even READ the speech?
:eyes:

WTF indeed!
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 08:56 AM
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38. Lacking in sense????--- did you read it? Please
define your criticism.

A- He pointed out the hypocrisy of the US calling much of the rest of the world terrorists, while committing terrorism and masking it behind words that sound 'noble' but are not-

B- He called * on saying that 'we' were exporting democracy- how? At the point of a gun? By force? By manipulating the peoples choices or rejecting them until WE got what we 'thought they should have'. Is that really 'democracy'???

C- He CLEARLY distinguished the vast divide between what this government does in the name of America, and what WE the people of this nation believe, desire, and the values which this country were founded upon.

PLEASE- show me criticisms that Chavez made that are not legitimate- If you mean the reference to Bush being "The Devil"- One would have to be pretty naive not to see he used this analogy countering *'s repeated, tired references to "the evildoers".
While * loves to demonize anyone who interferes with his agenda, it doesn't 'feel' so good to be on the other end of that- And IF, (I hope this isn't the case) Those Americans who can't think without biblical inferences to Good vs. Evil or 'righteous' vs. 'unholy' he clearly offered up the image of * as the 'christIAN' "Anti-Christ"- one who speaks peace, and promises good, invoking God- but is the devil in disguise.

I read the speech expecting to find alot of BS- but I didn't- I found FACTS
(vetoes and inconsistencies about our place on the Security Council)
(our own violations of UN rules without accepting the consequences)
(concrete examples of our double standards)

I'm wondering if I read the wrong speech???- His condemnation was NOT against "America"- but against the IMPERIALISTIC and corrupt direction those who are in power here today are going.

but I'm no genius-
Please educate me- I want to learn. And I want to learn the truth- no matter how uncomfortable.
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Wiley50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 08:05 AM
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12. I must be one of the few here that actually read it
It was truly great oratory of the finest sort.

and I suspect a truly great man gave it.

If you didn't read it
You're really missing out






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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 08:22 AM
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20. I can't seem to find it now..
You've made me want to read it.
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 08:25 AM
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23. Do you have link to a transcript?
I'd like to read it myself, so far just read the press accounts.

Love that fact that he used Chomsky book as prop!
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 08:31 AM
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31. link here . . .
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 08:29 AM
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27. I watched it and recorded it last night after our Dem windbags finished
orating to an empty chamber last night. I stay up until 12:00 to watch it. I'm no Chavez sycophant like some DUers. But I've got to give the man credit. He totally nailed the chimp and the audience was loving it. They all but gave him a standing ovation when he was through.
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 08:14 AM
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17. I agree. Chavez, hopefully, is the little boy who points out that
the Emperor has no clothes. Now everyone else will be empowered to tell the truth. I could care less what metaphors Chavez used, it was a beautiful thing to hear the truth spoken right into the teeth of the fascist monsters. Any time that a politician champions the rights and lives of the poor, the peasants, the working people at the expense of the wealthy lords, he will be vilified and smeared as "evil" or "allied with bad people" or "against freedom" or whatever nonsense the kings and princes of the world can come up with to dissuade their own peasants from raising their heads.

"'Soylent Green' is rich people!" And it tastes hmmm, hmmm good!
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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 08:23 AM
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21. Great speech, Read it if you haven`t
The Iranian President also gave a great speech.
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 08:28 AM
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26. I'd like to read it
Can you point me in the right direction with a link perhaps?
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 08:30 AM
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29. I found a link . . .
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The2ndWheel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 08:25 AM
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22. As long as we all admit the double standard
Here is a head of a state calling someone else the devil. We all go on about how the Bush administration has no class, no subtle diplomatic talk, no respect for the position of such importance. Yet most are fine with this non-diplomatic tactic.

If we love when Chavez does it, I don't think we can knock Bush, or Bolton, or whoever else they throw out there when they do it.

I know, I know, it's different. Not really.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 08:38 AM
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35. No it's not different...
however, nobody applauds when Bush or his cronies do it. That is very telling. Chavez was speaking to the world, and it was what they wanted to hear. It was what they all were thinking, but couldn't say.

We need to pull our heads out of our collective asses quick, perhaps Chavez was giving us a wake up call as well.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 09:12 AM
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41. You're talking about two TOTALLY different agendas!
Diplomacy is one thing and may matter to some, but TRUTH trumps it every damn time!

I don't see * & his thugs telling the truth-EVER! :grr:
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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 08:27 AM
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25. "Don't shoot the messenger"

keeps running through my mind. I think he got a platform to say things that are said and printed (in some variation) in many parts of the world.
We'd damn well better face that reality.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 08:30 AM
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30. Judging from the response he got I'd say ...
He was only saying what everybody's thinking.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 08:32 AM
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32. The audience all but gave him a standing ovation when he
was through..
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 09:05 AM
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40. Here's the Chavez KICK ASS speech
:applause:

PRESIDENT CHAVEZ DELIVERS REMARKS AT THE U.N. GENERAL ASSEMBLY
SEPTEMBER 20, 2006

"Representatives of the governments of the world, good morning to all of you. First of all, I would like to invite you, very respectfully, to those who have not read this book, to read it. Noam Chomsky, one of the most prestigious American and world intellectuals, Noam Chomsky, and this is one of his most recent books, 'Hegemony or Survival: The Imperialist Strategy of the United States.'"

"It's an excellent book to help us understand what has been happening in the world throughout the 20th century, and what's happening now, and the greatest threat looming over our planet. The hegemonic pretensions of the American empire are placing at risk the very survival of the human species. We continue to warn you about this danger and we appeal to the people of the United States and the world to halt this threat, which is like a sword hanging over our heads. I had considered reading from this book, but, for the sake of time," "I will just leave it as a recommendation.

It reads easily, it is a very good book, I'm sure Madame you are familiar with it. It appears in English, in Russian, in Arabic, in German. I think that the first people who should read this book are our brothers and sisters in the United States, because their threat is right in their own house. The devil is right at home. The devil, the devil himself, is right in the house.

"And the devil came here yesterday. Yesterday the devil came here. Right here."

"And it smells of sulfur still today."

Yesterday, ladies and gentlemen, from this rostrum, the president of the United States, the gentleman to whom I refer as the devil, came here, talking as if he owned the world. Truly. As the owner of the world.

I think we could call a psychiatrist to analyze yesterday's statement made by the president of the United States. As the spokesman of imperialism, he came to share his nostrums, to try to preserve the current pattern of domination, exploitation and pillage of the peoples of the world.

An Alfred Hitchcock movie could use it as a scenario. I would even propose a title: "The Devil's Recipe."

As Chomsky says here, clearly and in depth, the American empire is doing all it can to consolidate its system of domination. And we cannot allow them to do that. We cannot allow world dictatorship to be consolidated.

CHAVEZ (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): The world parent's statement -- cynical, hypocritical, full of this imperial hypocrisy from the need they have to control everything.

They say they want to impose a democratic model. But that's their democratic model. It's the false democracy of elites, and, I would say, a very original democracy that's imposed by weapons and bombs and firing weapons.

What a strange democracy. Aristotle might not recognize it or others who are at the root of democracy.

What type of democracy do you impose with marines and bombs?

The president of the United States, yesterday, said to us, right here, in this room, and I'm quoting, "Anywhere you look, you hear extremists telling you can escape from poverty and recover your dignity through violence, terror and martyrdom."

Wherever he looks, he sees extremists. And you, my brother -- he looks at your color, and he says, oh, there's an extremist. Evo Morales, the worthy president of Bolivia, looks like an extremist to him.

The imperialists see extremists everywhere. It's not that we are extremists. It's that the world is waking up. It's waking up all over. And people are standing up.

I have the feeling, dear world dictator, that you are going to live the rest of your days as a nightmare because the rest of us are standing up, all those who are rising up against American imperialism, who are shouting for equality, for respect, for the sovereignty of nations.

CHAVEZ (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): Yes, you can call us extremists, but we are rising up against the empire, against the model of domination.

The president then -- and this he said himself, he said: "I have come to speak directly to the populations in the Middle East, to tell them that my country wants peace."

That's true. If we walk in the streets of the Bronx, if we walk around New York, Washington, San Diego, in any city, San Antonio, San Francisco, and we ask individuals, the citizens of the United States, what does this country want? Does it want peace? They'll say yes.

But the government doesn't want peace. The government of the United States doesn't want peace. It wants to exploit its system of exploitation, of pillage, of hegemony through war.

It wants peace. But what's happening in Iraq? What happened in Lebanon? In Palestine? What's happening? What's happened over the last 100 years in Latin America and in the world? And now threatening Venezuela -- new threats against Venezuela, against Iran?

He spoke to the people of Lebanon. Many of you, he said, have seen how your homes and communities were caught in the crossfire. How cynical can you get? What a capacity to lie shamefacedly. The bombs in Beirut with millimetric precision?

CHAVEZ (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): This is crossfire? He's thinking of a western, when people would shoot from the hip and somebody would be caught in the crossfire.

This is imperialist, fascist, assassin, genocidal, the empire and Israel firing on the people of Palestine and Lebanon. That is what happened. And now we hear, "We're suffering because we see homes destroyed.'

The president of the United States came to talk to the peoples -- to the peoples of the world. He came to say -- I brought some documents with me, because this morning I was reading some statements, and I see that he talked to the people of Afghanistan, the people of Lebanon, the people of Iran. And he addressed all these peoples directly.

And you can wonder, just as the president of the United States addresses those peoples of the world, what would those peoples of the world tell him if they were given the floor? What would they have to say?

And I think I have some inkling of what the peoples of the south, the oppressed people think. They would say, "Yankee imperialist, go home." I think that is what those people would say if they were given the microphone and if they could speak with one voice to the American imperialists.

And that is why, Madam President, my colleagues, my friends, last year we came here to this same hall as we have been doing for the past eight years, and we said something that has now been confirmed -- fully, fully confirmed.

CHAVEZ (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): I don't think anybody in this room could defend the system. Let's accept -- let's be honest. The U.N. system, born after the Second World War, collapsed. It's worthless.

Oh, yes, it's good to bring us together once a year, see each other, make statements and prepare all kinds of long documents, and listen to good speeches, like Abel's (ph) yesterday, or President Mullah's (ph). Yes, it's good for that.

And there are a lot of speeches, and we've heard lots from the president of Sri Lanka, for instance, and the president of Chile.

But we, the assembly, have been turned into a merely deliberative organ. We have no power, no power to make any impact on the terrible situation in the world. And that is why Venezuela once again proposes, here, today, 20 September, that we re-establish the United Nations.

Last year, Madam, we made four modest proposals that we felt to be crucially important. We have to assume the responsibility our heads of state, our ambassadors, our representatives, and we have to discuss it.

The first is expansion, and Mullah (ph) talked about this yesterday right here. The Security Council, both as it has permanent and non-permanent categories, (inaudible) developing countries and LDCs must be given access as new permanent members. That's step one.

CHAVEZ (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): Second, effective methods to address and resolve world conflicts, transparent decisions.

Point three, the immediate suppression -- and that is something everyone's calling for -- of the anti-democratic mechanism known as the veto, the veto on decisions of the Security Council.

Let me give you a recent example. The immoral veto of the United States allowed the Israelis, with impunity, to destroy Lebanon. Right in front of all of us as we stood there watching, a resolution in the council was prevented.

Fourthly, we have to strengthen, as we've always said, the role and the powers of the secretary general of the United Nations.

Yesterday, the secretary general practically gave us his speech of farewell. And he recognized that over the last 10 years, things have just gotten more complicated; hunger, poverty, violence, human rights violations have just worsened. That is the tremendous consequence of the collapse of the United Nations system and American hegemonistic pretensions.

Madam, Venezuela a few years ago decided to wage this battle within the United Nations by recognizing the United Nations, as members of it that we are, and lending it our voice, our thinking.

Our voice is an independent voice to represent the dignity and the search for peace and the reformulation of the international system; to denounce persecution and aggression of hegemonistic forces on the planet.

CHAVEZ (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): This is how Venezuela has presented itself. Bolivar's home has sought a nonpermanent seat on the Security Council.

Let's see. Well, there's been an open attack by the U.S. government, an immoral attack, to try and prevent Venezuela from being freely elected to a post in the Security Council.

The imperium is afraid of truth, is afraid of independent voices. It calls us extremists, but they are the extremists.

And I would like to thank all the countries that have kindly announced their support for Venezuela, even though the ballot is a secret one and there's no need to announce things.

But since the imperium has attacked, openly, they strengthened the convictions of many countries. And their support strengthens us.

Mercosur, as a bloc, has expressed its support, our brothers in Mercosur. Venezuela, with Brazil, Argentina, Paraguay, Uruguay, is a full member of Mercosur.

And many other Latin American countries, CARICOM, Bolivia have expressed their support for Venezuela. The Arab League, the full Arab League has voiced its support. And I am immensely grateful to the Arab world, to our Arab brothers, our Caribbean brothers, the African Union. Almost all of Africa has expressed its support for Venezuela and countries such as Russia or China and many others.

CHAVEZ (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): I thank you all warmly on behalf of Venezuela, on behalf of our people, and on behalf of the truth, because Venezuela, with a seat on the Security Council, will be expressing not only Venezuela's thoughts, but it will also be the voice of all the peoples of the world, and we will defend dignity and truth.

Over and above all of this, Madam President, I think there are reasons to be optimistic. A poet would have said "helplessly optimistic," because over and above the wars and the bombs and the aggressive and the preventive war and the destruction of entire peoples, one can see that a new era is dawning.

As Sylvia Rodriguez (ph) says, the era is giving birth to a heart. There are alternative ways of thinking. There are young people who think differently. And this has already been seen within the space of a mere decade. It was shown that the end of history was a totally false assumption, and the same was shown about Pax Americana and the establishment of the capitalist neo-liberal world. It has been shown, this system, to generate mere poverty. Who believes in it now?

What we now have to do is define the future of the world. Dawn is breaking out all over. You can see it in Africa and Europe and Latin America and Oceanea. I want to emphasize that optimistic vision.
We have to strengthen ourselves, our will to do battle, our awareness. We have to build a new and better world.

Venezuela joins that struggle, and that's why we are threatened. The U.S. has already planned, financed and set in motion a coup in Venezuela, and it continues to support coup attempts in Venezuela and elsewhere.

CHAVEZ (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): President Michelle Bachelet reminded us just a moment ago of the horrendous assassination of the former foreign minister, Orlando Letelier.

And I would just add one thing: Those who perpetrated this crime are free. And that other event where an American citizen also died were American themselves. They were CIA killers, terrorists.

And we must recall in this room that in just a few days there will be another anniversary. Thirty years will have passed from this other horrendous terrorist attack on the Cuban plane, where 73 innocents died, a Cubana de Aviacion airliner.

And where is the biggest terrorist of this continent who took the responsibility for blowing up the plane? He spent a few years in jail in Venezuela. Thanks to CIA and then government officials, he was allowed to escape, and he lives here in this country, protected by the government.

And he was convicted. He has confessed to his crime. But the U.S. government has double standards. It protects terrorism when it wants to.

And this is to say that Venezuela is fully committed to combating terrorism and violence. And we are one of the people who are fighting for peace.

Luis Posada Carriles is the name of that terrorist who is protected here. And other tremendously corrupt people who escaped from Venezuela are also living here under protection: a group that bombed various embassies, that assassinated people during the coup. They kidnapped me and they were going to kill me, but I think God reached down and our people came out into the streets and the army was too, and so I'm here today.

But these people who led that coup are here today in this country protected by the American government. And I accuse the American government of protecting terrorists and of having a completely cynical discourse.

CHAVEZ (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): We mentioned Cuba. Yes, we were just there a few days ago. We just came from there happily.

And there you see another era born. The Summit of the 15, the Summit of the Nonaligned, adopted a historic resolution. This is the outcome document. Don't worry, I'm not going to read it.

But you have a whole set of resolutions here that were adopted after open debate in a transparent matter -- more than 50 heads of state. Havana was the capital of the south for a few weeks, and we have now launched, once again, the group of the nonaligned with new momentum.

And if there is anything I could ask all of you here, my companions, my brothers and sisters, it is to please lend your good will to lend momentum to the Nonaligned Movement for the birth of the new era, to prevent hegemony and prevent further advances of imperialism.

And as you know, Fidel Castro is the president of the nonaligned for the next three years, and we can trust him to lead the charge very efficiently.

Unfortunately they thought, "Oh, Fidel was going to die." But they're going to be disappointed because he didn't. And he's not only alive, he's back in his green fatigues, and he's now presiding the nonaligned.

So, my dear colleagues, Madam President, a new, strong movement has been born, a movement of the south. We are men and women of the south.

With this document, with these ideas, with these criticisms, I'm now closing my file. I'm taking the book with me. And, don't forget, I'm recommending it very warmly and very humbly to all of you.

CHAVEZ (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): We want ideas to save our planet, to save the planet from the imperialist threat. And hopefully in this very century, in not too long a time, we will see this, we will see this new era, and for our children and our grandchildren a world of peace based on the fundamental principles of the United Nations, but a renewed United Nations.

And maybe we have to change location. Maybe we have to put the United Nations somewhere else; maybe a city of the south. We've proposed Venezuela.

You know that my personal doctor had to stay in the plane. The chief of security had to be left in a locked plane. Neither of these gentlemen was allowed to arrive and attend the U.N. meeting. This is another abuse and another abuse of power on the part of the Devil. It smells of sulfur here, but God is with us and I embrace you all.

May God bless us all. Good day to you.

(APPLAUSE)
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Wiley50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 09:35 AM
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46. Now maybe it won't be too much trouble for folks to read it
Thanks for posting it
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 01:24 PM
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53. My pleasure to post it...I want people to read it too!
:hi:
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 01:40 PM
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54. It really is a great speech
In my humble opinion.
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 06:14 PM
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57. .
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 01:53 PM
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55. well, he does host his own TV show ...
Edited on Thu Sep-21-06 01:54 PM by Lisa
And ultra-dramatic, entertaining speeches do come naturally to him. If Al Franken referred to Bush as "the Devil", we probably wouldn't even bat an eyelid! Granted, there may be some debate about whether rhetorical flourishes like that are appropriate in the UN General Assembly, but I think there have been far more devastating things said in that building than literal "demonization" of Bush. I recently heard General Dallaire (the Canadian officer who was in charge of the Rwanda peacekeeping operation) talking about the exchanges he had with UN administrators -- in fact, he even wrote a book called "Shake Hands With the Devil" (referring to the Rwandan architects of the genocide, but he was also rather critical of the UN itself).
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