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Pamela Troy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 03:23 PM
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Banquo's Ghost
Edited on Thu Sep-21-06 04:15 PM by Pamela Troy
When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I did not speak out;
I was not a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.

Martin Niemoller

It was bound to happen sooner or later. Recently someone I was debating online finally just came out and denounced the Niemoller Statement, referring to it as “that infamous ditty” before hightailing it out of the discussion.

What startled me is not just the fact that he would dismiss what most of us were taught to regard as an important moral statement of the 20th century, but the language used. “INFAMOUS?” I first learned that word back when I was a kid watching late Saturday night Sci-Fi Theater. Someone said it to Peter Cushing in a Hammer film while Cushing was doing something literally monstrous. And of course, there’s the dismissive term “ditty” which, with those clipped “Tees,” would truly lend itself to dialogue directed in 1967 by Terrence Fisher. Can’t you just hear either Cushing or his partner in British righteousness, Christopher Lee saying it next to the bedside of a swooning Barbara Shelley? “She was a moral, godfearing woman until she heard that…(draw in breath, tighten lips, narrow nostrils in an expression of suppressed repugnance) “INfamous ditty…”

This minor incident prompted some unscientific research on my part, an exploration of how right-wingers have been dealing with the Niemoller Statement for the past few years. In fairness I should say that I don’t know whether or not this “infamous ditty” response is the start of a trend. It’s certainly true that the right wing has continued what I described some time ago as its serene “march into the far frontiers of the irrational,” which means the right-wing blogosphere – always ahead of the curve when it comes to high weirdness -- has already reached the gibbering, smearing-human-waste-on-the-walls, mailbox-attacking stage. Offline right-wingers have not shown much hesitation so far about moving through the barriers broken by their internet shock-troops, so I suppose it’s possible that outright attacks on Niemoller as a silly old fogy who didn’t know what he was talking about will begin appearing in Wall Street Journal editorials.

What a day or two of googling has revealed to me is that for the past few years, the right has been showing an increasing discomfort with this famous, succinct and profoundly inconvenient comment on moral indifference. And few prominent conservative columnists have picked more frequently and more nervously at the implications of The Statement than the National Review’s Jonah Goldberg.

His earliest assault on Niemoller that I found took place in 2002 when, in the course of defending Jose Padilla’s treatment, after making the obligatory claims that those in invoke Niemoller are “demeaning” the Holocaust and its victims, Goldberg went on to say: “These people, in effect, take Martin Niemoller's historic lament about the rise of the Nazi Party (‘They came for the Jews…’) and rewrite it to become, ‘First they came for the murderers and I did not speak up, for I was not a murderer. Then they came for the terrorists, but I said nothing for I was not a terrorist.’”

Actually, the Niemoller Statement most frequently is quoted as beginning with “First they came for the Communists.” That was, after all, the chronological order in which the groups cited by Niemoller were rounded up by the Nazis. But then, “Communists” would probably not sound quite as harmless as “Jews” would to Goldberg’s right wing readers, and the circumstances in which the Third Reich rounded up the Communists – in the wake of the Reichstag Fire, amid accusations that the Communists as a group were terrorists engaged in a dastardly plot to destroy the Third Reich – might screw up Goldberg’s mocking “first they came for the murderers” routine. It would point up the fact that the roundups were sold to the German people as a roundup of murderers, terrorists and arsonists, of underhanded subversives, of sneaking conspirators intent on raping Aryan women and subverting German culture. In short, Goldberg’s rewriting of the Niemoller doctrine here counts on his readers having only the most superficial grasp of its historical context.

Goldberg himself cannot claim to be unaware of that context. Months later, in February of 2003, he wrote a piece entitled “Comparing Saddam to Hitler is Justified” in which, while defending the equation of Hussein with Hitler, he correctly observed that “Hitler didn't murder 6 million Jews until well after WWII began.” It was only a brief glimmer of consciousness however, because after the invasion of Iraq, in a reversal only an online pundit could achieve without serious neck injury, he had this to say about comparisons of Bush to Hitler:

“Show me the camps. Show me the millions of people being gassed. Show me the tattoos on people's arms. Show me elderly Muslim men being beaten in the streets, their stores smashed, and books burned. Show me huge piles of emaciated bodies stocked high like cords of wood.”

My point is not to defend comparing Saddam to Hitler or Bush to Hitler. (I don’t think either comparison apt.) My point is to illustrate the manner in which the Niemoller Statement has been misused and deliberately misinterpreted by at least one pundit who should know better. There were, of course – as Goldberg knows -- not millions of people being gassed when the Communists were being rounded up in Germany in the wake of the Reichstag fire. There were not “huge piles of emaciated bodies stacked high like cords of wood.” Kristalnacht had not yet taken place. That was Niemoller’s point.

So the Niemoller Statement has remained, like Banquo at the feast, hovering on the periphery of our awareness whenever we hear about Jose Padilla, the detainees at Gitmo or, more recently, Maher Arar. Bush’s policy on torture and incarceration simply cannot be defended without the ghost of Martin Niemoller taking its seat at the table. Goldberg’s own awareness of it was again made painfully evident back in May of 2005 when he said on the National Review Online’s Corner, “Andrew Sullivan is casting himself as the pastor Niemoller of the blogosphere again.” What prompted this sneer were statements by Sullivan on torture and the recent scandal involving a discredited Newsweek story about American interrogators desecrating a Koran.

”What I find remarkable,” Sullivan had observed, “is that interrogatory abuse is now taken for granted, even by defenders of the administration.” Sullivan went on to quote Goldberg’s dismissive question “Were we unaware that interrogators at Gitmo aren't playing bean bag with detainees?’ and added. “So yesterday's outrage becomes today's world-weary assumption. This is how liberty dies - with scattered, knee-jerk applause.”

Andrew Sullivan does not mention Niemoller in the excerpt Goldberg cites, but what he is observing in Goldberg’s question about "playing bean bag" is exactly the kind of incremental tolerance for brutality that the Niemoller Statement addresses. Goldberg knows this. So like the guilt-ridden Macbeth, Goldberg tips his hand by leaping to his feet exclaiming “Never shake thy gory locks at me…” Goldberg is also using here a common last-ditch tactic of online right-wingers when faced with the indefensible. He’s painting the emulation of Niemoller, conscious or not, as a sort of hubris, as though by taking The Statement to heart, Sullivan is engaging in the unseemly posturing of a prude -- as opposed, I guess, to the unaffected, irrepressible Huck Finn honesty of those who, like Goldberg, don’t bother with those hoity-toity ethical niceties Niemoller seemed to consider so important.

Of course, it’s not just Goldberg who has been taking on Niemoller, but the examples I’ve cited here pretty much cover the approaches I’ve seen used by the right when trying to grapple with that pesky Statement. They rewrite it. Or they denounce its use as inappropriate because the death toll hasn’t yet reached 6 million. Or they ridicule the very notion of invoking it as an over dramatic bid for attention so irrational it barely warrants a response. All of these involve the flat rejection of what Niemoller was actually saying -- that part of your moral responsibility as a citizen is speaking out the minute your government starts abusing your neighbors, even if they are neighbors whom you dislike and with whom you have little in common.

How long can they keep it up? We’ve repeatedly predicted that the current administration and its apologists have finally hit bottom, but the plunge always continues. The Bush administration seems determined to plumb the absolute depths of what Americans are willing to tolerate, and as a result, the outlines of the Niemoller Statement are becoming clearer and clearer, the ghost less and less transparent. At some point it will have to be directly acknowledged, and either embraced at last or openly rejected.

Some prominent right-wing pundit may be working on that even now, composing a draft of a piece in which he or she “bravely” utters what the right has plainly been thinking now for the past five years – that Niemoller was a pest, a naïf, his statement too inconvenient, too unsatisfying for 21st century Americans. Look out for essays beginning with the writer opining that s/he is going to get lots of hate-mail, is going to be assailed for their words but must – alas! – speak out, utter truth to power no matter what the consequences!

If I were a betting woman, I’d put my money on Ann Coulter, John Derbyshire, or Rush Limbaugh. But I’m not a betting woman and, in spite of all that has been done or said in the past few years, I still can’t quite bring myself to believe it will ever come to that.

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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 03:31 PM
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1. well done, welcome to DU
Yes, soon they'll say that "Work Makes You Free" was a "misunderstood" slogan, too.

This oughtta be on DU's front page!
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 09:54 PM
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12. Well yeah, given that "Arbeit Mach Frei" actually ties in with Republican
rhetoric about not creating "a culture of dependency".

Plus, there's the inconvenient fact that in the 1930's, a lot of big GOP types were secretly rooting for Ol' Schickelgruber. After all, he was just getting rid of the people THEY didn't like.

And after all, it was the immigration policies passed by the Republican congress and signed by Warren G. Harding that were used to keep Jewish refugees out of the US in the late '30s.

All of which should be brought up now and then.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 12:06 PM
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20. "Bringing it up" assumes a country/populace actually interested
in, or capable of understanding, its own history...
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-23-06 05:42 PM
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21. Well, if we DON'T assume that, or at least the possibility of that...
shouldn't we all slash our wrists and be done with it?

Our politics depend on the belief that it is possible for human being to change and grow, and to learn from history.

We can acknowledge that they necessary growth doesn't always occur, but we can't just assume its impossible for it ever to occur or we are, quite simply, lost.

I don't mean just defeated, I mean actually, iredeemably lost.

There was a great button I once owned. It said "Just another dopeless hope fiend".
That is an addiction all progressives must avoid overcoming.
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 03:36 PM
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2. Excellent essay, Pamela.
I love your work.
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 04:34 PM
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3. kick. n/t
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BelgianMadCow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 05:10 PM
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4. It is important to counter such undercurrents that creep in the debates
and you did a swell job.

Welcome to DU
:toast:
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 06:38 PM
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5. Outstanding. K & R nt
:applause:
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Jcrowley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 06:43 PM
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6. Excellent
"Those," I said, "are the words of my friend the baker. "One had no time to think. There  was so much going on." "Your friend the baker was right," said my colleague. "The dictatorship, and the whole process of its coming into being, was above all diverting.  It provided an excuse not to think for people who did not want to think anyway.  I do not speak of your "little men", your baker and so on; I speak of my colleagues and myself, learned men, mind you.  Most of us did not want to think about fundamental things and never had.  There was no need to.  Nazism gave us some dreadful, fundamental things to think about - we were decent people - and kept us so busy with continuous changes and "crises" and so fascinated, yes, fascinated, by the machinations of the "national enemies", without and within, that we had no time to think about these dreadful things that were growing, little by little, all around us. Unconsciously, I suppose, we were grateful.  Who wants to think?

"To live in this process is absolutely not to be able to notice it - please try to believe me - unless one has a much greater degree of political awareness, acuity, than most of us had ever had occasion to develop.  Each step was so small, so inconsequential, so well explained or, on occasion, "regretted," that, unless one were detached from the whole process from the beginning, unless one understood what the whole thing was in principle, what all these "little measures" that no "patriotic German" could resent must some day lead to, one no more saw it developing from day to day than a farmer in his field sees the corn growing.  One day it is over his head.

http://www.thirdreich.net/Thought_They_Were_Free_nn4.html
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 08:32 PM
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7. That's Okay
When all is said and done, it is the right-wing bigots and criminals that we will come for, and frankly, no one will speak for them, as the nation's tolerance for diversity will not stretch to self-immolation.
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 08:43 PM
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8. It will come to that
I have two rules which have served me well in this life:
1. "People will believe what they want to believe or, what they fear to be true" (from Wizard's First Rule by Terry Goodkind).
2. "Always bet on stupidity" (from Babylon 5).

Niemoller's statement speaks of the gradual esculation of brutality and the dangers of moral indifference. It's a powerful statement and a true one but people will not learn from it, for the same reasons they refuse to learn from history. Because they believe that we, now, are unique and the circumstances we now face are unique. We are above comparisons with the past or with others, they don't apply to us. American exceptionalism plays a big part too. For at least thrity years (and probably longer), the US has believed itself to be special, unique. That it must be the best of all nations because it is the most powerful. When 9/11 happened, the reaction was less to do with the loss of life and more to do with the puncturing of that annoying American sense of unearned superiority. Suddenly, the USA was vulnerable, no longer special and so, because cognitive dissonance is uncomfortable and people in pain tend to lash out, we had the ridiculous over-reaction that led to Iraq.

In actuality, the only unique thing about 9/11 was it's scale. I'm British. Here, we had the IRA bombing us on a roughly monthly basis for about thrity years but because we don't have that feeling of superiority anymore (a century ago, probably. Today, no), it wasn't as violent a wound on the national psyche. The 7/7 bombings were a tragedy but we dusted ourselves down, drank some tea, buried our dead, cracked some questionable taste jokes (for which, in the ultimate irony, certain Americans attacked us) and got on with things. I disagreed with some of what John Kerry said but he was right about terrorism. You'll never end it, at most you'll manage it down to the level of a nuisence.

Why am I bringing up 9/11? Because that will be the justification, as it has been for virtually everything the Bush junta does. "The world changed on 9/11" says he, and quite a few Americans believed him and still do. The rest of us sort of look at you and go "Huh?". Nothing changed on 9/11. A bunch of savages committed a terrorist act and murdered lots of people. A tragedy for sure but it happens. Numbers aside, it was a terrorist act, no different in quality than hundreds which preceded it but because it happened to Americans, was inflicted on Americans by actors from outside, it supposedly "changed the world". It supposedly justifies throwing aside all rules and laws. People will never learn, from Niemoller or from history, because they don't want to.

K & R, by the way.
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 09:09 PM
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9. You can be pilloried here for saying that.
No, the world did not change.

People dying, buildings broken in fire and smoke.

Same as it ever was.


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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 09:24 PM
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10. I'm used to being pilloried
Either for my ethnicity, my faith, my views or opinions, I'm used to it. In a weird sort of way, I find it reassuring. If I wasn't pissing someone off, I'd worry that I wasn't doing anything. Half the time, I'm trying to piss people off. When you point a finger, no-one listens but when you make a fist, everyone's all ears. In a civilised world, when you point a finger, you have something to say but when you ball it into a fist, time for talking's over. It's become woefully apparent that we don't live in a civilised world though.

Yes, same as it ever was. Same s it ever will be too until we learn to think not in terms of me and mine but in terms of us and ours.
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GoneOffShore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 11:30 PM
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14. Indeed, nothing changed on 9/11
Except for the power grab that was perpetrated by shrub and his corporate cronies. 9/11 was their Pearl Harbor.

Thank you for your prescient and intelligent post.

It would be a good thing to keep saying this again and again.

I lived in the UK back in the 70's and remember the IRA bombings. And I remember finding a plaque commemorating "The Battle of Britain".

I think that because of the fact that apart from Pearl Harbor and the War of 1812 there has never really been an attack on this country we feel that 9/11 was 'special'. It wasn't. It was an attack, much like the attacks that have happened in Munich, in Paris, in London, in Spain.
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 01:43 AM
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16. thank you for your wisdom.
Edited on Fri Sep-22-06 01:46 AM by xxqqqzme
The constant laments, wailing and general histrionics emanating from the criminal elite certainly changed me after 9/11. I remember sending an email to a friend screaming 'enough already - we are not the only people in the history of the world to suffer a terrorist attack. I went through a list similar to yours...my friend replied, 'YES, thank god for a voice of sanity...I am fed up but afraid to say so.'

The only thing 9/11 changed for me was the way I viewed and continue to view the usurpers. The are willing to do ANYTHING to tighten their stranglehold on this country, it's wealth and it's power.

I fear the evening of November 7. There will be some seats lost but they will be sacrificial and the losers will be rewarded w/ lobbying jobs, appointments boards of corporate contributors or heading up FEMA. Just enough losses to give us some hope that we can do it in 2008 IF we just work a little harder or smarter or raise a little more money. Their white-knuckled grip will remain in control make no mistake about it. Every election has been stolen since 2000, they know how to do it and they are now putting laws into place to insure they will continue in power w/o worrying about pesky voters.

This pretend ignorance of torture, the 'definitions', the 'clarification', scream at the amoral decline of the values once identified w/ this country...when they come, I hope I have enough sense to have moved on.


I would add Pamela Troy, I will bet and my money is on malkin.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 04:29 AM
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17. exactly!
I have a bum wing so I cant type much but you just said exactly what I feel.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 09:30 PM
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11. A++ both style & substance
I actually read something a republican said a while back where they tried to use the words of Niemoller to show that conservatives were somehow in danger. It was enough to make ones head swim with their tortured logic.


As always, Pamela Troy, recommended & :thumbsup:
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JRob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 10:50 PM
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13. "The Bush administration seems determined to plumb the absolute depths..."
truth. welcome
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 11:33 PM
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15. Great post....
I am so nervous over the '06 Election. I want Subpoena Power so bad I can taste it. Otherwise, I fear that this regime will squash all dissent. And why are they building all of these detainee centers? Why? Who is supposed to go into those?

After what I hear about the NSA tracking our phones, our emails, our internet activity...what am I to think?

I know that the regime has come for the young Black men...and no one said anything. I see women's incarceration rates accelerating.

We have to keep this regime busy answering questions for the next 2 years....otherwise, I am at a loss for hope....

thoughts?
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 06:28 AM
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18. This is way too good to fade away
kicking it back to page one.

:kick:
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 07:29 AM
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19. Ancient heritage consistently revisited
Edited on Fri Sep-22-06 07:30 AM by PATRICK
I will mention again that- while Googling years ago- that in the search for the story of possible American "Fifth Columnists" during WWII the immediate large number of references were almost always directed against Communists- by Republicans. Communists, in spite of the fact that it was a signature tactic and term for fascists since Franco's boast in Spain. Ditto for American fascists.

Not surprisngly at all, in the consistent projection of that term through all Republican party politics, the term is now obscured by the adoption of the term against ALL opposed to the war, as if there was some secret powerful cabale to scapegoat for Bush's ruinous defeat in Iraq. At first, to throw off the glare of WWII shame at having actively, financially and politically supported the corporate RW of Germany and Japan and to leapfrog disaster to new power, the GOP frantically demonized the Commies with every fascist term available. They were now cultural insult words and since the Democrats did not purge or educate otherwise, our RW corporate factions grew behind false red flags.

But now they have power and corporatism has never been more dogmatically ingrained into the cultural mindset, even above the people's own governance of EVERYTHING. Why the unimaginative dredging up of terms the people understand even less now than they did after the black and white victory over the Nazis? Two reasons: lack of imagination and co-opting of what is still applicable since the RW has not not changed but has implemented ALL fascist tactics to seize and maintain power. The nature of the Beast. Examples of GOP infiltration of advocacy organizations, government/business interfaces, voting machines, the press, the "New" Dems, and inside the staid GOP traditional structure itself more than abound. Dems often naively applaud and participate in applying such methodologies toward undesireable regimes in other countries. For the GOP, it is a way of life to takeover this country and any and all uppity neighbors with something to steal. Were one to debate simply the term and its applications the massive evidence would be against the GOP and all they would have is the tar brush and whine.

Sure the left, if one wants to call responsible Americans the Left, has noticed and made cautious, often timidly polite forays in the obvious legitimate comparisons between RW conservatives of the past and today, sometimes astounded to find upon digging direct lineage and coontinuity not just in character but in the characters involved(Bushes, oil companies).

So they still are afraid. They still toss back the insults with their better megaphone resources, "No, you are!" unafraid of the visceral comparisons to despised schoolyard shouts devoid of any logic but spite and anger. And fear.

They never met a thug they didn't like to enlist, a dictator they couldn't pal around with, a decent service organization or democracy they did not want to spoil and crush, a money source they couldn't squeeze for their sole benefit, a saint they couldn't smear and crucify. Mainly, their renewed wildly inappropriate projection of Nazi terms is an auto-response set in stone by the ultimate defeat and disgrace of the RW itself by the infamous ruin of 30's fascism. The Infamy that will live on is the tragic challenge that FDR noted about December 8, 1941. What led up to and followed- from Bush ancestors and friends giving the Japanese Empire the steel, the Germans the finances for war and death camps to the Renaissance of corporate RW assaults on humanity is the whole picture of Infamy. And may the Right in personages and "philosophy" drown in their bathtub of innocent blood before the world does.

(As a side musing when the Right talks of philosophy they love classical and arcane theorists as lynchpins from eras where the serpent was still in the egg. The word itself means love of wisdom. In a Christian sense it has no meaning in Conservative apprehension of wisdom at all, based on evidnece that directly contravenes the tenets and aims of Biblical faith. Therefore that fundamental distortion must attack genuine Christianity the same way the Pharisees attacked the "caprenter's son", with smears, charges of immorality, atheism and eventually sedition. In the Greek sense or the Enlightenment sense the illogic is so wild that even staid establishment thinkers of business and the status quo would be simply disgusted. Many conservatives are indeed disgusted with their failed extremist fellows now, but their "wisdom" ever avoids the mirror in facing undisputable failures. The logic is so bad and so unsustainable that Big Lies and every form of illogical sophistry must be enlisted into the ultimate distraction, the voice of the blustering coward. The rallying cry of the non-dynastic, ant-Bush cons is perhaps "Give me gridlock or give me death!" they wish to retreat briefly into the false shadows and undoubtedly, many Democratic "leaders" with little real excuse this time compared to post WWII- will enable them.)
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