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AGENDA21 Donating Member (862 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 03:30 PM
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Did Anyone other Than The President See The First Plane Hit The WTC?
The president on 2 seperate occasions has said he saw the first plane hit the towers,did anybody else also remember seeing live coverage of the first attack on T.V?

Here are the 2 quotes from the president:

Here is the first time on December 4th, 2001

Q One thing, Mr. President, is that you have no idea how much you've done for this country. And another thing is that, how did you feel when you heard about the terrorist attack? (Applause.)

THE PRESIDENT: Thank you, Jordan. Well, Jordan, you're not going to believe what state I was in when I heard about the terrorist attack. I was in Florida. And my Chief of Staff, Andy Card -- actually, I was in a classroom talking about a reading program that works. I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower -- the TV was obviously on. And I used to fly, myself, and I said, well, there's one terrible pilot. I said, it must have been a horrible accident.

But I was whisked off there, I didn't have much time to think about it. And I was sitting in the classroom, and Andy Card, my Chief of Staff, who is sitting over here, walked in and said, "A second plane has hit the tower, America is under attack."

And, Jordan, I wasn't sure what to think at first. You know, I grew up in a period of time where the idea of America being under attack never entered my mind -- just like your Daddy's and Mother's mind probably. And I started thinking hard in that very brief period of time about what it meant to be under attack. I knew that when I got all of the facts that we were under attack, there would be hell to pay for attacking America. (Applause.)

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/12/20011204-17.html

Now this is the second time on Jan. 5th 2002:

Q What was the first thing that went through your head when you heard that a plane crashed into the first building?

THE PRESIDENT: Yes. Well, I was sitting in a schoolhouse in Florida. I had gone down to tell my little brother what to do, and -- just kidding, Jeb. (Laughter.) And -- it's the mother in me. (Laughter.) Anyway, I was in the midst of learning about a reading program that works. I'm a big believer in basic education, and it starts with making sure every child learns to read. And therefore, we need to focus on the science of reading, not what may feel good or sound good when it comes to teaching children to read. (Applause.) I'm just getting a plug in for my reading initiative.

Anyway, I was sitting there, and my Chief of Staff -- well, first of all, when we walked into the classroom, I had seen this plane fly into the first building. There was a TV set on. And you know, I thought it was pilot error and I was amazed that anybody could make such a terrible mistake. And something was wrong with the plane, or -- anyway, I'm sitting there, listening to the briefing, and Andy Card came and said, "America is under attack."

And in the meantime, this teacher was going on about the curriculum, and I was thinking about what it meant for America to be under attack. It was an amazing thought. But I made up my mind that if America was under attack, we'd get them. (Applause.) I wasn't interested in lawyers, I wasn't interested in a bunch of debate. I was interested in finding out who did it and bringing them to justice. I also knew that they would try to hide, and anybody who provided haven, help, food, would be held accountable by the United States of America. (Applause.)

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/01/20020105-3.html
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 03:31 PM
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1. this is old news
very old
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400Years Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 03:44 PM
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6. it still has never been adequately addressed
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Marleyb Donating Member (736 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 03:51 PM
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11. and yet the real truth about 9/11 still hasn't come out
I have another question...

How could he say this "it must have been a horrible accident"
after he had recieved the aug 6 memo "bin laden determined to strike in the US" as well as 52 previous warnings about an attack, the WTC being a well established prime target.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 03:33 PM
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2. Confabulation
means making up a plausible story to cover a period a person simply doesn't remember. The person may even come to believe his own confabulation.

It's one of the hallmarks of Wernicke Korsakoff syndrome (along with facial droop, slurred speech, and muscle incoordination), a cetral nervous system deterioration seen in heavy alcohol abusers.

Yeah, somebody saw that first plane hit and even managed to get it on film. However, nobody knew that film existed until late in the afternoon on 9/11. Stupid didn't see it.
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 03:39 PM
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3. One of my co-workers did.
Our office is in the Empire State Building and he was standing at the window watching the pedestrians when he heard the noise. Then of course, everyone there saw the second one go in.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 03:40 PM
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4. Bush was in Florida though
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 03:42 PM
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5. LOL. I know. I was just responding to the question asked.
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AGENDA21 Donating Member (862 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 03:45 PM
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7. The question i was asking was
if anyone saw the first plane hit the wtc on a T.V set,like the president.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 03:47 PM
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10. Yes, later on
Once a video was released of the first plane hitting the Twin Towers. Bush probably just conflated that video w/his own memory of seeing the WTC smoking after the first plane hit.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 03:58 PM
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13. doesnt work. he first said it in the morning. the first plane, no one
saw. the second plane he was in a classroom and didnt see it go in. he specifically said, when i saw the first plane go in. this was when he was in the limo. at that time, the limo was set up high tech. i think.......he saw it all right. one of the films i saw of the first plane going in was from new jersey with like 6 isreali art student jumping up and down cheering as you could see across the river the plane go into the tower. saw that tape only one time, and they pulled it. but that was later in hte day, or the next day
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 04:07 PM
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Well, that's if you believe MIHOP
and I don't. If you look at Bush's speeches, he is constantly confusing times & places. I think he did see the second plane go in, did see the TV coverage after the first explosion, and got confused & said he saw the first plane hit. So what, you're saying they had a special closed-circuit TV set up in Bush's limo so that they could 1) tape the first hit & 2) immediately relay it live to Bush's limo just so he could see that shot and cackle like Dr. Evil? Bush isn't that plugged in - he didn't even watch the Baghdad bombing, or the Katrina coverage. It's a lot easier to simply believe that he misspoke, like he often misspeaks. He's just a moron, not some sort of evil genius.
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Stanchetalarooni Donating Member (838 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 04:38 PM
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22. MIHOP/LIHOP --- HELL YES
Oh, hell yes.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 04:09 PM
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19. He has REALLY good vision.

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DemInDistress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 03:46 PM
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8. 5 israeli students (mossad spys) were videotaping
from across the hudson river they were cheering and high-fiving each other happy with joy said neighbors who called the police. that video was confiscated and not made public. nor did the 911 omissions discuss it on the record.
Since MIHOP is in play here no doubt closed circuit tv might be at play also. The presidential limo is state of the art.When you don't have to answer questions what are we the people to expect...
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 03:59 PM
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14. oooosh i was just talking about this in a post above. yes. n/t
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 03:47 PM
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9. One foreign film crew did
They were with the fire dept., filming a documentary, and heard the plane screaming overhead, and pointed the camera upward. But, this film wasn't shown for a long time after the fact. Like months later.
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BanzaiBonnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 03:58 PM
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12. Either he's an idiot or he's lying
The **** quote:

I grew up in a period of time where the idea of America being under attack never entered my mind


is such crap. If it never entered his mind, then he is either an ignorant fool, or so out of touch with America that he never saw an emergency preparedness film? I remember seeing television alerts concerning being prepared in case the Soviet Union sent a bomb our way. They used to show the films in school too. Yes, just duck and cover.

Don't tell me no one ever thought we might be attacked in on our own shores!
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 04:00 PM
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15. he also had two ground to air missile launchers installed on his
hotel roof 9/10 in florida. no other reason but to take down a plane. i havent been able to find the site i found this on. was the best timeline i have seen
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 04:03 PM
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17. Yet the Pentagon had was left defenseless?
Apparently air missile launchers were not standard equipment there, yet they install them in a hotel in FL because the POTUS is having an over nighter?

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DemInDistress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 04:39 PM
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23. never entered my mind says dimson meanwhile,
it was the summer of threat,the system was blinking red,stupid had no less than 52 warnings and he has the AUDACITY to say,it never entered his mind..stinking gopers need to DEMAND this mother.flucker speak on the record about what he knew,when he knew and who told him. he learned from o.j.simpson keep your mouth shut and they wont find you guilty..sad sad POS POTUS
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 04:01 PM
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16. So he had to have someone TELL him we were under attack?
Shouldnt the job of the president be to KNOW whether we are under attack or not? :grr:
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bush_is_wacko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 04:07 PM
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18. I have heard this ? before. There was video of the first plane hitting
released after the fact. Quite a bit after the fact in fact.

It has occurred to me that it is possible there was some surveillance footage removed from somewhere within minutes of the event by someone and that is how he saw the first plane hit. In that chaos no one would have noticed whether or not that occurred but it is curious that he made that statement still.
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 04:10 PM
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20. Unfortunately I did..
But not on TV... I was on Vesey St (across the street from WTC)
when the first plane flew over my head and into the building.
Had to run to dodge falling (and flaming) debris.

I was a couple of blocks away (Murray & River Terrace)
when the second plane hit and on the West Side Highway
when both towers fell.

I'll never forget the sounds.... or the fear.
What an awful day.

As for Dubya... the man lies about just about everything...
so who knows.. and who cares.
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 04:26 PM
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21. To me this would be evidence against mihop more than for it
ie, he would be more careful and have things more scripted for such speeches. More than likely he meant that he saw the aftermath of the plane hitting the tower on tv and transposed (as he is stupidly likely to do with his style of speaking) it into the phrase he uttered. He was told a plane hit it, he saw the damage on tv, and hence 'saw' the plane hit it.
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 04:49 PM
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24. He remembers things he never saw, and yet
he doesn't remember things or people that he did see, such as Mr. Abramoff. Are these just lies or are we dealing with deep psychosis?
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maveric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 04:50 PM
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25. He watched it on Closed Circuit TV.
With his PNAC buddies in that Florida hotel.
I dont think that he was lying about that.
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