Can you PLEASE knock off the "We're gonna lose"...

[truebrit71]

...threads for a while?

We KNEW that the presstitutes would be out there pimping for their masters.

We KNEW that the only voices that would be heard out there would be rethuglican ones.

We KNEW that the only faces seen on TV would be repignicans.

We KNEW that the Junta would be doing their worst.

We KNEW that we Democrats were going to get ridiculed, lambasted, slandered and attacked, and you know what? It hasn't changed the polls. The American people have finally, at long goddamned last had ENOUGH of the giggling, psycopathic torturer in the WH. They have finally had enough of the bribery, corruption and perversion of the Geriatric Old Pedophile party and they are ready to throw them out.

55% of those likely to vote surveyed by Newsweek magazine said they want the Democratic party in control. They could only muster 32% that feel the same way about the retardlicans.

32%.

That's their base.

You know, the knuckle-dragging, mouth-breathing, fag-hating, God-loving, flag-worshipping, A-Rab-hatin' morans that they ALWAYS pander to. What's so significant about that number today, two weeks before the election? It tells us that the base is all they have. The "independents" are no longer buying the bullshit. The Democrats are more together than they have been in years, and the ONLY hope for the future war-criminals in the WH is to energize their base away from Monster-Truck Pulls and Pat Roberston long enough to get them to vote.

THAT'S why their ads are so hateful and negative. They have nothing left. Fear is no longer working for them. So they have to appeal to the most base of political and human instincts, hate.

And when you have to use hate you have already lost.

We WILL win in two weeks time.

We WILL take back the House.

We WILL take back the Senate.

We WILL restore some form of integrity, honour and legitimacy to this great country by throwing off the shackles of the illegitimate regime that has for too long kept us quiet and subdued.

We WILL end the nightmare that is Iraq, get our boys and girls home, and PROSECUTE those that committed crimes, ALL the way up the ladder.

We WILL get serious about securing the borders.

We WILL get serious about cutting the deficit, holding those pork-barrel spenders accountable, and reversing the tax-gifts to the republican elite.

We WILL do all of this on Tuesday Novemeber 7th, 2006, and I don't want to hear a word otherwise.

We WILL make it happen by being positive, upbeat, focussed and determined.

We KNEW the deck was going to be stacked against us, but THIS time we WILL succeed, if we pull together and give it our all.

[longship]

1. I'm with you!!

Who's with me?

www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2469608&mesg_id=2469608

[Bobbieo]

2. Yes! Yes! Yes!

[bpcmxr]

3. Amen!

Tell it!

[shaniqua6392]

4. We will get the troops out of Iraq!!

That is the most important reason to think positively and VOTE VOTE VOTE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Dems are fighters. We fight for everything good and just. We will never give into the reich wing.

[bdamomma]

75. right on

[porphyrian]

5. I mean, people can do whatever they want...

...but it is really fucking irritating, and I guess it doesn't hurt to ask. It's bad enough being bombarded with it constantly through commercial media.

[eleny]

6. I hit the "Hide Thread" link as soon as I see them

Thanks for your posting! K&R!

[bullimiami]

7. from your WILL to my reality.

i sure hope so. only massive shenanigans can steal it from us.

[LSparkle]

8. YEEEEAAAAAHHHHHHH! (My best Dr. Dean imitation)

THAT'S THE SPIRIT!!!

[DinahMoeHum]

9. Thank you, Truebrit71. Let's Keep On Pushing, People !!

Remember, remember the 7th of November.

We shall give them a 7th of November that shall never be forgot!

(with apologies to "V for Vendetta")

:kick::kick::kick:

[KingFlorez]

10. Thank you

All this defeatism needs to stop

[elehhhhna]

11. Wah wah wah. If you think you lost, you lost. GET OVER IT and

go make some calls for your candidates, people. Campaigns are begging for volunteers.

[redqueen]

17. There ya go! GET ACTIVE!

I seriously don't get why anyone would use their energy that way.

[bdamomma]

76. yes, get in those polling stations and see what is happening

:patriot:

[greeneyedboy]

12. yes! staying positive and active is a must. no distractions.

[Ecumenist]

13. Amen, AMEN!!!

I saw this attempt by these creeps to try to set up "razor thin" situations when it became a FACT that the democrats were CLEARLY going to win big, in a fair election. This is an operation to set up election theft to allow them to retain control of the congress and senate.

[redqueen]

14. AY-FRICKIN-MEN!

What good is that supposed to do?

If that's all you got... a bunch of eeyore bulls$#@, SAVE IT! Go do something else with your time ya $#&*@(%&@ energy-sucking naysayers.

DAMN!

[NoodleBoy]

15. word

I got tired of defeatists about two minutes after the 04 elections.

[NanceGreggs]

16. All I can say in response to your points is:

Agreed, agreed, agreed, agreed, agreed, agreed, agreed, agreed, agreed, agreed, agreed, agreed ...


... and thanks!!!!!!!!!!!

:toast:

[CatWoman]

18. but.......but..........but

the dreaded GOP GOTV effort is looming all around us!!!

in my kitchen!!! in my back yard!!! in my tea cups!!!

the sky is falling!!!

doom all around me!!!

do you hear me?

D-O-O-M!!!!!!!!!!!!

:hi:

[LSK]

19. THANK YOU

:yourock: :yourock: :yourock:

[Mark E. Smith]

20. Kick! Kick! Kick!

I say we delete the words "lose" and "Diebold"
from the DU data base. Anyone trying to type
them should be immediately logged off.

[electropop]

23. We can't forget Diebold, but we can overcome it by sheer volume.

Just this once, the electorate are so enraged that even Diebold can't help the repedophiles. Once we take the Congress, we have a chance to start repairing our election systems, beginning with banning vapor-voting machines.

[electropop]

21. Whew! Now I'm pumped!

Thanks!

[savemefromdumbya]

22. Get out the vote!

[WilliamPitt]

24. Too late. I've already re-registered as a Republican.

You may call me William Rivers Pitt (R-Asshatville).

All those threads convinced me of the futility of it all.

Deutchland, Deutchland, uber alles...

:P

(p.s. AMEN!)

[SeattleGirl]

25. Hear! Hear!

I don't even read the defeatist threads -- they are energy vampires, sucking any positive feelings and energies I have, so I just don't read 'em. I feel VERY optimistic about November 7th, and want to keep that optimism. And I use the optimism to help candidates, help get out the vote, help register people to vote, etc. If everyone were to take a defeatest attitude, well, WE would be the ones to harm the Dems' chances. I'm not going down that road.

[saltpoint]

26. Agreed. Let's play to win or let's not suit up in the first place.

And playing to win is the best of those choices by far.

[jarnocan]

27. There's a happy medium VOTE, encourage others, but have a plan

Keep pusing the ugly truths about the BU**SH** regime, including all the lies and fraud, especially the ongoing efforts.
http://electionline.org/ElectionlineToday/tabid/84/Default.aspx http://velvetrevolution.us

BTW I hate when BU**SH** talks about our great economy, unchallenged by our mainstream media and usually with no counter point!
"The "Fiscally Conservative" Republicans will be voting for record budget deficits and a national debt of some $8 trillion." http://www.buzzflash.com/ (huffingtonpost)

[tblue]

28. Precisely!

[AndyTiedye]

29. We're Not Worried about Losing. We're Afraid We're Gonna Get Robbed Again!

We were ahead in the polls in 2000, 2002, and 2004, yet we "lost".

[joeunderdog]

31. Mr. Negative.

This is a post for all those who believe that we lost fair and square those times, and for all those who think we'll win fair and square this time.

Me and you? We need to find another thread.

[jarnocan]

40. feel free- to ignore reality. Most important thing is to vote, but then pay attention...nt

[AndyTiedye]

47. Those Who Think Bush Really Won in 2000 and 2004 are More Negative Than Me

[Chulanowa]

72. I'm not worried

We have volume on our side, bro :) '00 and '04, things i nthe polls were fairly even. Fear of turrists was high, and the Republicans were real good at keeping their woman-abusing, brown-skin-hating, pedophiliac natures hidden.

They don't have any of that going for them. Even theri hate rhetoric against Democrats, their standard method, is getting no traction except with those people who would never vote for anyone else anyway.

Diebold can suck my nut. We're gonna flood those machines with so many votes that htey won't possibly be able to swap 'em all.

[the other one]

30. And if we don't win, we will just dig in for 2008

I love hanging out with you optimists!

The grasshopper and the ant

The ant spent all summer preparing for winter. He worked hard, while the grasshopper played and sang. One day, early in November, winter came. The ant was prepared. The grasshopper was not. So the grasshopper ate the ant.

[bdamomma]

77. dig in alright and get ready for the fight of our lives.

[mogster]

32. To say it with Peter Gabriel

Don't give up, you still have friends
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrRY-7t9cjA

Be the Sledgehammer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Wgt5Hgra04

Hit them Big Time
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfm-14ov8n8

Shock the Monkey
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d70RNjLsuSk

[SammyWinstonJack]

33. High freakin' five!

:yourock:

[Qutzupalotl]

34. Amen

and kick.

[Bjorn Against]

35. be positive, but be prepared for the worst

I will not say we are going to lose, but I will say that people need to campaign real hard if they want to have a real chance at success.

The Republicans have Diebold. Stating that fact is not defeatism, it is merely pointing out reality.

The good news is that Diebold CAN be defeated, it just requires people to WORK EXTRA HARD.

Being too optimistic is NOT a good thing, as it makes people complacent. It is best to always keep your expectations low, just don't lower them so much that it makes people give up hope. Right now we have a lot of hope, but too much optimism could make people believe they can just sit back because they "know" they will win anyways.

[pa28]

36. We have to acknowledge and confront the very real obstacles you mentioned.

But we don't have to be defeatist.

:kick:

[paparush]

37. How - Are we importing Free, Fair, Verifiable elections from China???

[byronius]

41. Maybe Norway.

Chile? Saudi Arabia? International trade.

I bet we export viruses. Wouldn't doubt it for a moment.

My choice for most important race is Debra Bowen for SOS here in CA. She's the quintessential Ur-Diebold. They're funding most of the campaign against her -- if she wins (she's leading), electronic voting will not re-emerge in this state without being made utterly verifiable. I've seen her in action, at a hearing in Sacramento. She grilled McPherson's little stooge, William Wood, for hours -- and made it clear that she considers the whole setup to be criminal. I'm rooting. I'm hoping. She should be governor, actually. Rare to find that kind of person in politics.

[byronius]

38. Thanks for this. Thank you.

It's not cheerleading. It's determination.

[BlooInBloo]

39. What? You don't like what amounts to a voter-suppression technique?

[we can do it]

42. Just WIN Baby!

[civildisoBDence]

43. Do you oldtimers remember "Glum" on the old Gulliver's Travels cartoon?

"We'll never make it!"

Glum doesn't win elections.

Newsprism

[mike_c]

44. ahhh, it's election time on DU again....

:popcorn:

[NEDem]

45. Thank you

It needs to be repeated over and over.

[NuttyFluffers]

46. what you focus on, you shall receive...

as good as it is to reflect and analyze, it is also good to make a decision and have faith in your own efforts. which is why defeatist protestations of late sound more like FUD than anything else. it's nice to bitch and moan -- but now is not the time. now is the time for positivity, energy, and effort.

[Laurab]

48. Yes, We WILL K&R n/t

[j_gregory1948]

49. did you also KNOW

that in 2000, 2002 and 2004 we were also positive, upbeat, focussed, determined and we still LOST?

That is NOT about being positive, upbeat, focussed and determined?

It is about VOTE FRAUD. Be real.

[SeattleGirl]

51. I think the OP's point is that we shouldn't just lay down and

whine and moan, which would put a real damper on any and all action we could take to try and make this time different. I know that I am not ignoring the very REAL possiblity of vote fraud, and voter suppresion and oppression. I just think I can do more if I keep the energy positive than if I give in to a lot of defeatist, negative thinking.

[j_gregory1948]

54. since when addressing VOTE FRAUD

is defeatist, negative thinking?

You people live in fantasy land, just like Dorothy in The Wizard of Oz.

Dems lost in 2000, 2002 and 2004 because they didn't whine and moan enough about election theft. Get through your heads that 2006 will be the fucking same. It won't be stolen, it has ALREADY been stolen.

[NoPasaran]

56. Take your Rovian bullshit somewhere else, buster!

This is for people who believe in victory!

[j_gregory1948]

57. your little lamb attitude

is what makes Rove really happy. He loves innocent, positive, harmless Dems!!

[NoPasaran]

59. And your "it's already lost" propoganda

Does his work for him!

[j_gregory1948]

71. I didn't say 'already lost'

I said 'already STOLEN', which is totally different.

It's Dems' courage and determination to fight that will determine who LOSES.

[NoPasaran]

78. Cranberry Orange Loaf

2 cups all-purpose flour
1 1/2 teaspoons baking powder
1/2 teaspoon baking soda
1/2 teaspoon salt
Grated rind of one orange
1 1/2 cups sliced cranberries, fresh or frozen
1/2 cup chopped pecans or walnuts
1/4 cup butter
1 cup granulated sugar
1 large egg
3/4 cup orange juice

1. Preheat oven to 350*F (175*C). Grease a 9 x 5 x 3-inch pan; set aside.
2. In a medium bowl, combine flour, baking powder, soda, and salt. Stir in orange rind, cranberries, and nuts. Set aside.
3. In a large bowl, cream butter, sugar, and egg with electric mixer until smooth. Blend in orange juice. Stir in flour mixture, stirring until just combined.
4. Spoon into prepared pan and bake for 1 hour, or until wooden pick inserted in center comes out clean. Let stand for 10 minutes before removing from pan. Cool on wire rack. Wrap tightly to store.

Makes 1 loaf.

[j_gregory1948]

80. sounds like a recipe

to allow the GOP to steal another one.

[LostinVA]

69. So, how are your first four days on DU going?

Are you enjoying being a member of the "October Follies TRoupe"? Huh?

[j_gregory1948]

79. thank you!

some of us actually have jobs and busy lives, we don't have time to be on the computer all the time and accrue 1000 posts like some.

But our opinions are just as valid.

[Freeusfromthechurch]

50. That's what I'm talking about!!!!

[TexasLawyer]

52. Yes--To all the naysayers

As Greg Palast says: MAKE them steal your vote. Don't just declare futility and not vote.

[jarnocan]

62. like the Palast quote but the you can stuff the STFU dude:)

[cassiepriam]

53. The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.

No one has answered my repeated question of why the repugs
would suddenly get honest.

And let us not overestimate the intelligence of the American people.
Whether they have finally wised up remains to be seen.

[j_gregory1948]

58. exactly

but don't try to inject reality into these innocent, positive, delusional people.

They expect the votes to be counted honestly on Nov 7. THEY WON'T. And Americans will accept the theft once more. Save this thread.

[Cobalt Violet]

55. K & R.

:kick:

[quiet.american]

60. Hear, hear! n/t

[Toots]

61. We also know about Diebold

just saying.... I have had my heart broken too damn many times with these elections to build up any false hopes.

[Mad_Dem_X]

63. THANK YOU!

It's great to read something positive! :kick:

P.S. I agree with you.

[WA98296]

64. Ok...We're going to be ROBBED!

[Atman]

65. I'm certain we won't "lose." But I'm afraid we won't win.

These fuckers play for keeps. Pure evil at work. I almost think it's better that we don't have our hopes up TOO high...I'd hate to see a mass DU suicide on November 8

[pdxprog]

66. It's not a question of hope

Hope implies that we're talking about something outside our control, which I feel is inherently defeatist. Like Derrick Jensen said:

I'm not, for example, going to say I hope I eat something tomorrow. I just will. I don't hope I take another breath right now, nor that I finish writing this sentence. I just do them. On the other hand, I do hope that the next time I get on a plane, it doesn't crash. To hope for some result means you have given up any agency concerning it. Many people say they hope the dominant culture stops destroying the world. By saying that, they've assumed that the destruction will continue, at least in the short term, and they've stepped away from their own ability to participate in stopping it.

I believe what we need to do here is look squarely at the real obstacles and work out what we will do about them. Any other course of action is about as ineffective as a yellow jacket banging against the window all day long trying to get outside until it dies. As they say, the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over, yet expecting different results.

Yes, the Rethugs have done, are doing, and will continue to do everything they can to rob us. Yes, they have rigged and will continue to rig the electronic voting. Yes, they have used and will use voter roll purging, disinformation and intimidation to suppress the Democratic vote. They cannot be expected to play by the rules. Acknowledging this is not defeatism.

Failing to respond to those threats is defeatism. Blind cheerleading without tackling these obstacles, believing that simply getting out the vote and remaining positive will lead to victory, is the worst kind of naiveté.

So, to be more concrete about this: I believe we need to take inventory of all our connections and all our skills, then do every single thing we possibly can to gain access, to monitor, to verify, to expose. Organized, in large numbers.

As much of a nutjob as Bev Harris turned out to be, I think she was on the right track with this.

[midnight]

67. I printed this and it;s on my refrig.

This is just what I need to see everyday. Thanks for the thoughts!!

[truebrit71]

73. Really? Wow....*blush*

...

[haydukelives]

68. Go us

We will!!

[RobertSeattle]

70. Hey - I'm already standing in the End Zone doing my jig...

:evilgrin:

[bdamomma]

74. thank you

we have to stop our defeatist attitude. and then on the other hand we have to stay a couple of steps ahead of them. Who is more desperate than the repigs now, they are grasping for straws.