DU Archives Reveal! Iraq Tri-Partheid was Proposed long Before Biden!

[KoKo]

David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Thu May-20-04 05:27 PM
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Divide Iraq Up Into Three Nations Now Before It's Too Late.

Edited on Thu May-20-04 05:28 PM by David Zephyr
The only solution left for what's left of the Old Iraq and that may still work at this late point is a quick move to begin the division of the nation of Iraq into geographic "pieces". This is not such a radical idea, for the truth is that "nation" Iraq was an invention of the British anyway...sort of like South Vietnam was an invention of the Pentagon in the early 1950's.

The Past is Prologue:

After declaring war on the Ottoman Empire in 1914, the British invaded and occupied Mesopotamia including Baghdad, Basra, Kirkuk and Mosul.

Clandestinely, the British, along with the French, in 1916 had drawn up the very imperialistic "Sykes-Picot Agreement" dividing up the old Ottoman empire. By 1919, Britain had created the current national borders that the world recognizes today as "Iraq". The following year, the "League of Nations" dutifully sanctioned and granted British control over the new nation of Iraq.

So, the unfortunate, yet popular understanding that the current borders of modern day Iraq are some sort of sacred and cultural extension of the ancient Persian Empire is simply wrong. The borders of Iraq are mere pencil marks from a British pencil less than a century ago.

Here's How to Divide Up Iraq Now and Possibly Spare A Holocaust in Civil War:

1.) Establish either an independent Shi'a Islamic Iraq which will probably meld into Iran within two years --- or fast forward the inevitable and cede the Shiite territories now to Iran. Since the Americans must always "save face" and have "peace with honor", the former is more probable, but the latter is inevitable.

2.) Establish a Sunni Iraq with Baghdad as the Sunni Capitol.

3.) Establish a new national state of Kurdistan.

4.) Cede some of the northern Iraqi territory to Turkey as a trade-off for the establishment of Kurdistan. Turkey currently has oil leases in Northern Iraq and this would be the quid pro quo and would finally deal with the business left undone after the break-up of the Ottoman Empire.


The Saudis and The Israelis Will Just Love This:

The Balkanization of the current nation we know as Iraq as I have prescribed above will have the further benefit of pleasing both the Saudis and the Israelis who would prefer having smaller, less powerful neighbors in the Region than the former, unpredictable Iraq. Imagine that: the Israelis and the Saudis nodding approvingly at the splintering of their old nemesis.


Make Certain That The New States All Have Oil Fields of Their Own:

One of the greatest sources of friction between the world's predominately Islamic Nations has been this: some have oil resources and others don't. The solution I've described above begins to address the uneven distribution of petro-wealth in the Muslim world.

Certainly, the ability of Saudi Arabia to lord its proud purse over Yasser Arafat and the Palestinians (Muslims without oil) and over the poor in Pakistan and Afghanistan (Muslims without oil) has been at the very root of so many of the world's problems. Indeed, Osama bin Laden's initial appeal in the poorer Islamic world was made possible by his Saudi petro-wealth, wasn't it?


The Nations Out of One Keep Osama Out of All:

With the Kurds, Shiites and Sunnis truly independent and having their own states; and with allowing Turkey to "get a little of the goodies" in return for good behavior, Osama bin Laden and his crowd will have to go hunting for another scab to pick for they would hardly be welcomed in either of the three new nations.


Little Time Remains For Dividing Iraq Before Civil War Begins:

Let's face it. George W. Bush and Dick Cheney are now advocating exactly what they had crowed against: Cutting and Running. The arbitrary date in June of the facade of turning over the government of Iraq to the Iraqi people will be the beginning of the upcoming bloodbath between the distrustful Kurd, Sunni and Shiite camps. Why wait until thousands are thrown into the nightmare of Iraqi Civil War?

If the British could divide up the Ottoman Empire at the beginning of the 20th Century for Imperialistic motives, why can't we, along with the United Nations, finally address the elephant in the living room and now divide up Iraq without bloodshed...before it divides itself up, pretty much as I have described, but only after a horrific bloodbath?

--D.Z.

(Thanks to William Pitt for his earlier thread which finally motivated me to write what has been on my mind for a very, very long time).



"Bush's Civil War in Iraq is Not the War the on Terror".

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1635616

[KoKo]

1. Posting a "little DU History" because Newbies might not understand how

long many of us have been working on "Solutions" and how EARLY we all here "GOT IT."

The DU Archives is a Treasure Trove of information...this one was worth digging up...to see the Discussion if one links to the thread provided to see what folks thought about the Proposal. Long before Biden....

Go Here for 2004 Discussion:


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

[kiahzero]

2. Does that mean we're allowed to agree with Biden?

Or does that still make us DLC sympathizers?

(I kid, I kid)

[KoKo]

5. lol's! I think it means that Biden forgot that the Liberal Netroots gave him

his BIG IDEA! How our own Dems love to marginalize us while they pay top DOLLAR to their Big Named Consultants to hire researchers to find the information about "compromise" that we'd already discussed here on DU.

That's what I meant. They pay Fancy Consultants for stuff that their own GRASS ROOTS DEMS ALREADY THOUGHT ABOUT....Amazing isn't it...how the money just floats out the window to "Image Consultants, Verbal Language Framers and the rest. When if the Dems listened to their OWN FOLKS they might get some great ideas and save some of our money.. :shrug: just saying.....

[David Zephyr]

7. Thanks for reposting this old post, KoKo01.

:)

[Old and In the Way]

3. I really don't see much hope for a future Iraq.

I suspect David's right, but the key will be how the oil gets divvied up.

[KoKo]

4. We hear so little about what's going on with Iraqi Oil...but

reports here and there about "pipeline" blow ups. We know that Bush is supporting Turkey and Turkey doesn't want the Kurds to Uprise. But, the Kurds have the oil on their land...from what I've read whereas the rest of Iraq without oil is "goatherders and farmers." I think the Iraqi's who fished have nothing but "human waste and depleted uranium" in their waters..not much left there. And the "cluster bombs" we've sent probably are lying in the crop fields.

Maybe we just declare Iraq a wasteland and set up some textile mills that will produce products stamped "MADE IN IRAQ" like we've done with every other country we've invaded or used for our own Globalist purposes.

The best would be that Iraq goes the way of Vietnam who now sells in Wallmart and our Best Department Stores. :-( It's dreadful isn't it...what our Imperial PNAC/NEOCONS/REAGANISTEs and the Rest have done to us. AND...we were told in our schools that this JUST WASN'T POSSIBLE! Our Constitution would HOLD agains ALL ONSLAUGHTS....

Well...it held until we had a DYNASTY.....

[Old and In the Way]

9. That's the only sucessful part of Bush's plan.

keeping it in the ground and off the market. Saudi Arabia and their Houston buddies have to be quite happy with our efforts to remove the #2 oil reserves from the market.

[David Zephyr]

6. The key is indeed how the oil is divided up.

The Turks have leased oil fields in Northern Iraq for a very long time. They will also have to be cut in on the deal in order to permit a free Kurdistan.

It was swell of KoKo01 to resurrect this post of mine from 2 1/2 years ago. I guess I don't sound so crazy now, huh?

:)

[Old and In the Way]

8. Never did to me.

As you well know, many of us here thought invading Iraq was a dangerous and stupid thing. We knew that Iraq was an artificially created state and that Hussein was keeping a lid on the natural sectarian tensions by keeping all power centers in check. When we removed Iraq, we broke it permanently. For the sake of the populations, I really don't see how it can be put back together. I think the balkanization and absorption by the neighboring states will be the only way to restore some semblance of order, long term.

[David Zephyr]

10. Sadly, we now have to "fix" it, too.

I don't disagree with you that "absorption" also may hold the answer, but that leaves the Kurds in a really shitty place.

We, as good Americans who opposed the war, must also try to help find a way out of this mess that prevents a full-blown civil war that will result in, perhaps, millions of deaths. I know that you feel the same.

To paraphrase Colin Powell, Bush broke it, but now we should do something about fixing it because he certainly can't.

After November 7th, the American people will be looking to our Party to get us out of this mess and not to leave women, children and innocent Iraqis to be slaughtered.

I appreciate your coments.