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Jcrowley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 10:15 AM
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Negroponte Says Iraq Worse Than Vietnam
Spy Chief Cites Perils in Iraq
By KATHERINE SHRADER, Associated Press Writer
Friday, December 1, 2006 12 50 PM

National Intelligence Director John Negroponte says Iraq is far more precarious than much of Vietnam was when he served as a U.S. diplomat there in the 1960s.

An expert on Vietnam and one-time adviser to former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, Negroponte said he sees more differences than similarities between the two conflicts. In Vietnam, for example, there was a clear enemy, given Soviet support of the North Vietnamese.

Additionally, "in Vietnam, the cities were secure. The province capitals were secure. I walked around that country as an unarmed civilian for almost four years without ever having any serious brushes," said Negroponte, who served in the U.S. Embassy in Saigon. "In Iraq, even the capital is highly insecure — perhaps one of the most insecure places in the country."

Negroponte made the remarks in a wide-ranging interview that airs Sunday evening on C-SPAN's "Q&A" program. A transcript was made available to The Associated Press.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2006/12/01/national/w125044S94.DTL
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 10:19 AM
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1. Oh John
how convenient for you and yours
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 10:19 AM
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2. some how the truth and negroponte doesn't seem to jell
he like the rest of them have an ulterior motive in every thing they say, methinks
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Monkeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 10:25 AM
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6. What you want truth from number 10
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 10:19 AM
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3. Rats are jumping the sinking ship.
Too bad all this wasn't happening before the 2004 election.
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 10:21 AM
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4. are there any rats left to jump?
I know there are still a few weasels around...
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 10:22 AM
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5. Them fucking Neocons were the first to go too.
Those moneyhungry warmongers are all in cushy jobs. I hope some of them pay a price.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 10:26 AM
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7.  John Negroponte?
Please that man has more blood on his hands then just about anybody.

Why he is not in prison for his "death squad blind spot," I don't know.

Boy the rats are really jumping ship about Iraq. Bet you they know come
January all kinds of "stuff" will come out.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 02:34 PM
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17. Hmmm... what is the death squad blind spot?
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 10:31 AM
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8. Yes it is. And warned about BEFORE bush's war of aggression.
Before:

Col. David Hackworth (deceased), was America's most highly decorated soldier:

"Should the president decide to stay the war course, hopefully at least a few of our serving top-uniformed leaders - those who are now covertly leaking that war with Iraq will be an unparalleled disaster - will do what many Vietnam-era generals wish they would have done: stand tall and publicly tell the America people the truth about another bad war that could well lead to another died-in-vain black wall. Or even worse."
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=29786

Marine Gen. Anthony Zinni, former Head of Central Command for U.S.:

"It's pretty interesting that all the generals see it the same way, and all the others who have never fired a shot, and are hot to go to war, see it another…We are about to do something that will ignite a fuse in this region that we will rue the day we ever started."
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2002/10/17/zinni /

"A Republican Dissent on Iraq"
Full page ad in Wall Street Journal by major GOP contributors:

"Mr. President, …The candidate we supported in 2000 promised a more humble nation in our dealings with the world. We gave him our votes and our campaign contributions. That candidate was you. We feel betrayed. We want our money back. We want our country back…. A Billion Bitter enemies will rise out of this war."
- Wall Street Journal, January 13, 2003

2004

Kerry Advisor: Iraq Worse Than Vietnam

John Kerry's foreign policy advisor, Richard Holbrooke said on Fox News Sunday that "strategically and politically, the situation in Iraq is worse than it ever was in Vietnam. The situation is clearly getting worse ... and there is no strategy either for success or for victory or for exit."

"The current situation in Iraq is a tunnel without any light at the end of it."


http://blogcritics.org/archives/2004/09/13/162807.php


And lately...

Iraq is no Vietnam – it's far worse than that
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,29449-2415267,00.html

Security expert says Iraq 'worse than Vietnam'
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200611/s1798632.htm

Eye on Iraq: Worse than Tet
http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:zKez2r68OB4J:washtimes.com/upi/20061115-045700-1483r.htm+Eye+on+Iraq:+Worse+than+Tet&hl=en&gl=ca&ct=clnk&cd=1

Iraq "Worse than Vietnam,"
http://www.mediaresearch.org/cyberalerts/2005/cyb20050620.asp#1



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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 10:57 AM
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13. I Miss Colonel Hackworth...
He was so spot on about what he expected in this invasion and sad he passed away and his voice and expertise isn't out there now.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 11:32 AM
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15. I'm glad he's not here to witness this shit.
Exactly what he warned of.

He loved the troops far too much to again watch them dying for a politician's pack of lies and America's betrayal.
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 10:35 AM
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9. Well I hope he is proud of himself.
Edited on Sat Dec-02-06 10:36 AM by bahrbearian
:sarcasm:
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 10:46 AM
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10. Well, yea......thanks to people like him..
I think it is likely that his real mission in Iraq was to get the death squads up and running.

Negroponte should have been locked up for war crimes years ago.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 10:51 AM
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11. Thanks to George w. bUsh.
His war.

His mess.

His worse-than-Nam.

Period.
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Jcrowley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 02:16 PM
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16. Bush is nothing
Just the proper stooge that they have hired to sign off on their plans. This assault upon Mesopotamia began long before Bush and he certainly had zero role in the planning and operational phases.

He is a criminal for his part but focusing solely on George Bush, or Dick Cheney, for that matter is not addressing the real issues here and the more powerful hoodlums.
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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 10:54 AM
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12. He's gotten better at what he does.
Mission accomplished, John. Congratulations.

- as
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 11:04 AM
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14. But John, you got what you wanted, didn't you?
A civil war with death squads, just like in Vietnam and Central America.

Oh, wait, you wanted a civil war in which the rich and powerful would have safe places to hang out...
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