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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:21 PM
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Grade Kaine's speech
I thought he did well. He was positive and tore Bush up while staying polite and talked about service, competence and the responsibility's of government officials. I think the speech worked for independents and those in the middle.

I give him a B+

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carpediem Donating Member (700 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:23 PM
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1. b+ completely agree
if for no other reason than the pundits can't say anything negative about it.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:27 PM
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18. Yes, indeed. He did a fine job
So he isn't polished? Big deal.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:23 PM
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2. B
Not very creative, but pretty substantive and quietly moving.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:24 PM
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3. B or B plus
He didn't too bad. His eye brow got annoying though because I found myself focusing on that. :blush:
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ellenfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:25 PM
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8. i agree about the grade AND the eyebrow! eom
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:24 PM
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4. Same grade for me. B-plus. / nt
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messiah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:24 PM
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5. I stand firmly against the DLC
I give him an F for boring the viewers.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:25 PM
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11. so you'd rather a republican lead VA?
I live in Virginia, and have to tell you that the difference between Allen/Gilmore and Warner/Kaine has been like the difference between the dark ages and the Renaissance
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messiah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:29 PM
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21. If you would rather see a republican lite with a stick up the ass
Edited on Tue Jan-31-06 11:29 PM by messiah
instead of chrismatic straight talker with personality then that's you that's your beliefs your pricipals. This is about his speech anyway.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:31 PM
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24. Kaine is not "republican" lite...
and he speaks to my principals and beliefs. He's wary of the death penalty, so am I. He's against a federal ban on gay marriage, so am I. He's for gun control, so am I. He's for responsible spending and so am I. He supports the right to choose, and I do too. The list goes on and on.
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messiah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:44 PM
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38. The "Third Way" is republican lite
appealing to both sides in Virginia is fine but this country doesn't want to listen to a boring stiff man on tv, they just tune out.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:24 PM
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6. B+ He did his job...
and made the democrats sound calm and rational. He was jittery and nervous though. They trotted him out a year too early
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:32 PM
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27. I agree
I do think he was nervous. I wish they got another governor. Phil Bredesen would've done a fine job if they wanted a southern democrat governor. I think they got Kaine because of all the work they've done in Virginia and to show that democrats can do well.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:24 PM
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7. Content B. Delivery C-
Sorry - I heard so much about how amazing he was, and he was a contender for President. Huge let down.
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ellenfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:26 PM
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13. are you sure you're not thinking of warner, who is poised
to run for prez?

ellen fl
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:32 PM
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28. aaaaah, maybe I was.
Sorry if I got it wrong.
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NYFlip Donating Member (138 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:25 PM
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9. I agree with you
I think it spoke to the independents and republicans who are tired of Bush. I don't think it was aimed at the base or liberals. He could have been a stronger speaker but his manner will hopefully appeal to the people I mentioned above. I am more liberal but I don't need convincing. I give him a B.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:25 PM
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10. Message? A+. Delivery? B-. Overall? B+
And in the end, it is the message that is most important. That is where the snippits in the paper and soundbites will come from. Not his hands moving around that made it easy to see how saturday night live will go about impersonating him. In the end the message is what counts, and his message was awesome imho.
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MaggieSwanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:26 PM
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12. C-
The words were all right, but the delivery and the eyebrow...kinda smarmy. Wish it had been radio, sorry.

I feel like Simon Cowell now. Ugh.
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:26 PM
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14. B for content, D for delivery
He had some good things to say, but his delivery was just awful.
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:26 PM
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15. Yeah, me, too. B or B+
I was all set to really dislike him and found him likable, cogent and on purpose. Good job.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:27 PM
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16. B
David Gergen calls it "highly effective" so I'll give him credit where it is due. I think we threw off the Republicans and for that I am grateful.
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vikegirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:27 PM
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17. D- at first
Then realized his main audience was puerile, infatuated freepers. So B/B+ for the newbie!
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Mike Nelson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:28 PM
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19. C
I would have liked one of the Dem. Iraq War veterans -- What was up with his right red eye?
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carolinalady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:30 PM
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23. i agree on C
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:28 PM
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20. B+ (A+ if he mentioned hemp as fuel)
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:29 PM
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22. His goofy delivery distracted me. C-
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chefgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:31 PM
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25. I have to disagree
I think his delivery made him sound extremely insincere, and I found it very difficult to get past it enough to really listen to what he was saying.

As for what he was saying, the message was mostly right, but he sounded so weak and smarmy that it really didnt make any impact, and I'M a Democrat. I dont think he really drove home the Dems message to anyone but hardcore Dems.

If we intend to 'bring a message' to the American people, we're going to have to put stronger speakers up front and in the Republicans faces.


-chef-
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Serenades Donating Member (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:32 PM
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26. hmmmm
Solid B. I wish his delivery was a little more energetic. I feel he accomplished his goal however.
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:33 PM
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29. didn't watch it, had no interest. nt
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T Town Jake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:34 PM
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I give him an A.
n/t
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:34 PM
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30. B-
Would have been a B+ with a better delivery. I'm remembering Pelos-Daschle which was a D no matter how you cut it.
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caligirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:35 PM
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31. A
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:37 PM
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32. He did a fine job........
Repetition.........very wise.
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yourout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:37 PM
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33. D+...c-
Not very interesting or attention grabing.
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:39 PM
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34. C, the eyebrow failed to lend excitement
enough DINO worship already
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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:40 PM
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35. Better than Pelosi's last year.
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trudyco Donating Member (975 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:42 PM
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36. Bland, no fire in the belly
Way too nice. The Democrats keep doing this. Sigh.
You need an impassioned speech to counteract what's going on in this administration.
Facial expression wasn't so good, either.

I'd give him a C
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:44 PM
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37. I give him an F . No passion and GOP lite. Go along to get along. God f
forbisd we annoy the repukes by offering a choice and being different. And "together we can do better ' sucks. BTW, what were the solutions? Other than move to Va?
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Floogeldy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:46 PM
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39. Too infomercial-like.
Too smooth. The raised left eyebrow was creepy. He has a high voice. Insincere. Stilted.

Wesley Clark should have done the response.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:56 PM
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40. He had a little fire burning right behind his ass
And he was boring. "We need to come together" Tell that to rove & george allen.
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