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Porcupine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 06:58 PM
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Child's toes gnawed (off) by pit bull puppy
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A local child is in the hospital, her parents are in custody and a dog is in the pound after the puppy gnawed four of the infant's toes off Sunday, Bossier City police say.

The unidentified month-old girl was taken to WK Bossier Health Center by her parents with injuries that promoted staff there to call the police, city spokesman Mark Natale said.

"She had a severe injury to one foot, with most of the toes missing," Natale said. "Patrol officers who responded notified detectives, and after our juvenile detectives unit looked into it, they determined the child, who had been sleeping in a baby carrier next to her parents, had been bitten by the family's pit bull puppy, who appears to have gnawed on the child's foot."


So is this child abuse or animal abuse? Both? What do you do with thisfamily?

:popcorn:

note: I didn't think this ranked as LBN. Move it if you want.
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 07:04 PM
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1. My dad killed a dog,
just because it growled at us once.

I cannot believe these animals are still alive.

Oh, and the dog should be put down too.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 07:44 PM
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25. OK killing a dog cuz it growled @ you...is fucking crazy. Pitbulls are great dogs
Edited on Tue Dec-12-06 07:44 PM by xultar
they require dicipline and care just like any other.

You can't believe the are still alive? WTF?

i'm not so sure the dog needs to be put down. what the parents didn't hear the baby cry? Where is the kids crib? You don't leave a kid in a carrier to sleep like that at night.
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YellowRubberDuckie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 07:47 PM
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28. Once an animal gets the taste for human blood...
They cannot be turned around, and that pit is a product of it's owners, and yes, it should be put down. I was attacked by a Doberman once. he never actually bit me, but he put his mouth over my face without biting down. My uncle snapped it's neck on the spot.
Duckie
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 08:35 PM
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57. Yup. That animal has to be put down at this point, I think.
Edited on Tue Dec-12-06 08:36 PM by w4rma
And there was definitely some child neglect going on with the parents.
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YellowRubberDuckie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 08:45 PM
Response to Reply #57
62. Does this make us vicious?
Someone else said I was vicious because I said what you did.
:shrug:
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 09:04 PM
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73. Yes. It does.
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YellowRubberDuckie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 09:16 PM
Response to Reply #73
82. I love how you can say this, but you aren't explaning yourself.
You're wrong, and you'll never convince me otherwise, but I'm still curious of your thought process. You are seriously judgmental.
Duckie
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 09:24 PM
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86. The fact that you'd advocate killing a dog just because it threatened.
Edited on Tue Dec-12-06 09:25 PM by xultar
Nor do I like the fact that you'd just go get a gun and shoot a dog.
I wouldn't want you any where near a gun.

There are so many situations and reasons and you can't wholesale say killing a dog is warranted because it threatened.

I've seen the look from a dog. But I wouldn't just SHOOT. If you don't carry your gun in your coat by the time you get to your house and find the damned thing it would be too late. You should get a better plan to handle the situation instead of just shooting the dog. I'd call the authorities and start proceedings to judge the owners fitness to own such a dog and have it taken to a facility where it could a Live or be put down as instructed by a judge in the matter.

So many issues with animals have more to do with the owners than the dogs. If you'd learn that and understand then you'd understand that just saying shoot the dog is ignorant. Haven't we grown past the shooter up bullshit? There are processes to handle it.

I can't even say if a dog bit my child that I'd just walk over to the owners house and shoot the dog. That's ignorant.

I might be confusing you with other nuts in this thread. But before a dog is put down things have to be investigated.

In this case. The parents were starving the dog and they had to be high not to hear the baby. I don't think this warrants putting the dog down.

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YellowRubberDuckie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 07:14 PM
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104. When did I ever mention shooting a dog?
I said put it down. There's a difference. Putting a dog to sleep and shooting an animal was never mentioned.
And I think you ARE confusing me. I never mentioned shooting the dog. I said that I thought the dog got a taste for human blood and need to be put to sleep because they're never the same after that. AND I said things were more sinister than just a dog biting off toes, and you FREAKED on me. That's what started this whole thing.
Duckie
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 08:58 PM
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65. This animal needs to be put down?
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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 09:06 PM
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76. I suspect the dog is sadly being blamed for the parents' lack of attention towards their kid
Or, worse, flat out abuse. If the article is saying that this wasn't a one time attack, and was something maintained over a period of time, then I'm calling bs on this story.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 09:14 PM
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80. post#26 has some longer article links
if puppy was only 6 wks old, could not have maintained over very long period of time. I suspect there is more to this than meets the eye but not ready to yell what.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 08:59 PM
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66. how about the puppy in question? picture here
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 08:14 PM
Response to Reply #28
105. That's bullshit. Urban legend bullshit.
I have a friend in Pennsylvania who runs a pit bull rescue mission and the soul focus is turning around aggressive pit bulls. She has a 99.9% success rate.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 06:50 PM
Response to Reply #105
111. Sorry that success rate is pure bullshit.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 07:28 PM
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112. Whatever! You don't know shit
Edited on Thu Dec-14-06 07:30 PM by Juniperx
In 10 years working full time with these dogs, she has only put one down that she couldn't rehabilitate.

Dogs are like kids, exactly like kids.

Some people should have neither.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 11:36 PM
Response to Reply #112
113. I know a pile of shit when I see it.
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 07:50 PM
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31. Dogs like that need to be bred out of existence
Yes, those parents don't deserve to be around; they failed miserably as parents.

Yes, the dog need to be put down. Bad blood line. Start over.

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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 08:00 PM
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37. Any dog could do that...even a cat. It isn't the breed.
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 08:04 PM
Response to Reply #37
40. Need to read up on selection, then
It's not about the individual animal, it's about the trait you want to breed in, or breed out.

If it was a cat that gnawed that kid's toes off, I'd still put it down.

We want to breed in an aversion to harming humans. Period.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 08:20 PM
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46. Puppies gnaw on shit. That's what they do. Don't fuckin tell me the baby didn't cry.
Edited on Tue Dec-12-06 08:21 PM by xultar
Where were the parents? My puppy gnaws on my fingers and toes and I tell him to stop. That's how you teach a puppy not to gnaw. The parents were ignoring the cries of their child.

The dog didn't know what it was doing it was a fucking puppy. Would you suggest a kid be put down if a kid hit another kid in the head with a toy and drew blood? No.

GEEZ...You think dogs are born knowing not to gnaw on toes?
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 08:23 PM
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49. As long as you use your own children to teach your puppies,
go right ahead,

as for me, any animal that threatens my children, IN ANY WAY, is a dead animal.

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 08:26 PM
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51. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 08:30 PM
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53. I do have pets,
Edited on Tue Dec-12-06 08:31 PM by Xipe Totec
and I love them, and they love my children.

I do not keep vicious animals.

If you think an animals' life is more important than a human life, perhaps it is you that needs to be reported to the authorities.


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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 08:53 PM
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64. THEY WERE STARVING THE DOG! HELLO!!!! You'd put the dog down for that?
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 06:27 PM
Response to Reply #46
107. A healthy puppy has some empathy for other animals (including humans),
especially one it lives with. It should have seen the child as a pack member, not food. Something is wrong with this dog and it probably needs to be put down. However sadly.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 08:23 PM
Response to Reply #40
48. Here is a picture of the 6-week old puppy... SIX WEEK OLD PUPPY.
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 06:56 AM
Response to Reply #37
94. My cat almost killed my infant son
Totally unintentional.

Sturgis was a big, very friendly cat. Gorgeous eyes, purred like a Harley (that's why we called him Sturgis). He was more doglike than catlike. Loved to be rubbed, would start purring as soon as I entered a room.

One day, a few weeks after my son was born, my ex came home with the baby, put the baby (in the detachable carseat/basket thingy) on the floor outside the bathroom, and went in to relieve herself. When she came out, Sturgis was laying all over Sam, smothering him and purring while basking in the baby's warmth.

No harm done, but Sturgis had to find a new home, as he outweighed my newborn kid by about a 3-to-1 margin. If she had had to do a number-two...

Our other cat had (and still has) the common sense to be terrified of Sam, so that was never a problem.

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jus_the_facts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 07:04 PM
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2. So this is posted for entertainment purposes.....
....since you put this :popcorn: in your post...I'd guess you think this should be a FUN thread to read?! :eyes:
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Porcupine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 07:20 PM
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11. Hey dogs are SERIOUS issues.
Edited on Tue Dec-12-06 07:22 PM by Porcupine
All that stuff over in Environment/Energy is just a distraction for the important issues of the day. Look at the post counts on puppy news.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2904824
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zreosumgame Donating Member (862 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 07:06 PM
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3. both
no child that young should have been that close to any puppy unsupervised. remove the kid and the dog to new families.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 08:41 PM
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61. Agree. nt
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riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 07:09 PM
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4. "Gnawed" off?! WTF? The kid didn't scream at the first swipe?
It's wierd the kid wasn't screaming at the first bite unless the dog took off all the toes in one big chomp?!

"Gnawed off" implies that the thing was sitting there chewing on them one at a time or something - if that's the case and the parents just sat and watched, or didn't notice something going on ("huh honey, the puppy is crunching on something over there by the baby whose screaming. I think I'll get another beer"), then wow. Just wow.
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zreosumgame Donating Member (862 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 07:12 PM
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5. from the release it was a puppy
not a full grown dog 'biting', more the way a puppy gnaws a rawhide bone, and if the kid was a 'screamer' probably the 'parents' were ignoring him altogether, which really looks like the case here.
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Kingshakabobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 07:17 PM
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8. In that case, I don't see how you can blame the puppy.
I'm no fan of Pit-Bulls. Wouldn't own one....but I think a lot of puppies wouldn't know any better and think the kid was a toy - a tasty toy at that.
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zreosumgame Donating Member (862 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 07:19 PM
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9. exactly, but it should be removed to owners who have some brains
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Anakin Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 07:13 PM
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6. Lemme Guess. This Happened in a Trailer Park, Right?
Edited on Tue Dec-12-06 07:45 PM by Anakin Skywalker
The popularity of pit bulls is scary. It says a lot about the humans who would keep this particular breed of dog. Before you flame, you should understand what they were originally bred for, and NO it was not for guarding or protection.

I apologize, OK? That was BAD humor about the trailer park thing.
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 07:19 PM
Response to Reply #6
10. Lemme Guess. You didn't read the article.
No, it didn't happen in a trailer park, so please park your class bigotry elsewhere.
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Anakin Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 07:27 PM
Response to Reply #10
14. Not Bigotry, But Statistic.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 08:15 PM
Response to Reply #14
45. What statistic, specifically?
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 09:00 PM
Response to Reply #14
67. what statistic?
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 10:12 PM
Response to Reply #67
92. Apparently the poster doesn't want to bother us with the facts
But thanks for asking, anyway. :hi:
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 07:25 PM
Response to Reply #6
12. This post says a lot about humans
that don't know shit about "this particular breed of dog" NOR the scenario, ESPECIALLY considering that I have yet to see any papers certifying this puppy as a pit bull. Funny how puppies sometimes don't look like the breed they are. Also funny how many bully-breeds are just knee-jerked into the "pitbull" category by dipshits that lack the "know better" gene.

Nothing wrong with "pit bulls" anyway. Fantastic, loving dogs.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 08:26 PM
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52. there is a lot of unwarranted prejudice against people who live in "trailers"
Edited on Tue Dec-12-06 08:27 PM by WI_DEM
For part of my childhood we lived in a "mobile home" and it was nice and very comfortable and something my mother could afford on her income (with no father at home to help support us). Not everybody can live in a house, and not all people who live in "trailers" are trash.
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 10:15 PM
Response to Reply #52
93. Thank you!
Sometimes the class bigotry among some so-called progressives really gets on my last nerve.
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 11:40 AM
Response to Reply #52
101. Yes, thank you again.
I live in a mobile home and it seems that some people look down their noses at those who live in trailer parks. Most of us are not ignorant, beer-swilling, foul-mouthed rednecks.
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 07:25 AM
Response to Reply #6
97. Yes, very bad humor about the trailer park thing.
I live in a mobile home park and pit bulls are not allowed.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 11:46 AM
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102. So what does it say about me that I've had pits and pit mixes a good part of my life?
What does it say about the AKC that they have, and continue to reccommend ASTs(pit bulls) as great family dogs for years and decades? Look, any dog breed can be vicious, but it isn't due to the breed, it is due to how the dog is raised. Your ignorance on this subject is vast, I suggest that you correct that lack.
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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 07:16 PM
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7. parental irresponsibility; not the dog's fault
NT
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 07:42 PM
Response to Reply #7
22. Yes, the blame rests squarely on the parents. Any breed of
puppy will chew on things. It's just their nature.
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 07:00 AM
Response to Reply #22
95. Very true. For example, a retriever and a tennis ball are inseperable n/t
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 07:26 PM
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13. "Parents charged with child desertion" amazing, the parents probably needed
a license to own the dog when they should have to have a license to have a child. I don't blame the dog, i put the blame squarely on the the parents.
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Rockstone Donating Member (633 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 07:28 PM
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15. Hopefully they will grow back
it can happen with children at this young of an age, or so I have read...
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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 07:28 PM
Response to Reply #15
16. um....no.
Just...no. It's not possible.
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Anakin Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 07:44 PM
Response to Reply #16
24. If You Have Faith, It Can Happen.
Just believe...believe. :)
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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 09:01 PM
Response to Reply #24
70. Yeah see, I live in a world called "reality"
NT
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jus_the_facts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 07:34 PM
Response to Reply #15
17. JesusChrist....that is THE most asinine statement I've ever read on DU...
:wtf:
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Rockstone Donating Member (633 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 07:48 PM
Response to Reply #17
29. Perhaps you'd like to correct yourself?
"The one possible example of multitissue regeneration in people is that young children can regrow fingertips above the top joint, including the bone, skin and nail. That was discovered by accident in England in 1974, when a child who lost a fingertip in a farm accident was taken to a hospital. The doctor was too busy to provide the standard treatment, sewing the skin closed. When she got around to it over a day later, she saw that it was regrowing."
http://eric.stamen.com/net/nyTimes_092302a.html

:rofl:
Your apology is pre-approved...
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jus_the_facts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 08:02 PM
Response to Reply #29
38. Don't think so....here's the TRUTH from that article you submitted....
"So far, natural regeneration remains a medical backwater, garnering little attention." "I'd like to say we've made tremendous progress, but that would be a lie."

FUCKTARD!
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Rockstone Donating Member (633 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 09:01 PM
Response to Reply #38
69. they're talking about stimulating it
and by the way there is now technology to regrow teeth via electrical stimulus in adults so even the above statement is outdated. Wow you are desperate not to be proven wrong, which you were.
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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 09:05 PM
Response to Reply #69
74. I haven't read any documented cases where doctors can "regrow" entire limbs or fingers...
...you're still full of shit.
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Rockstone Donating Member (633 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 09:18 PM
Response to Reply #74
84. Ultrasound may help regrow teeth
Edited on Tue Dec-12-06 09:25 PM by Rockstone
Hockey players, rejoice! A team of University of Alberta researchers has created technology to regrow teeth--the first time scientists have been able to reform human dental tissue.

Using low-intensity pulsed ultrasound (LIPUS), Dr. Tarak El-Bialy from the Faculty of Medicine and Dentistry and Dr. Jie Chen and Dr. Ying Tsui from the Faculty of Engineering have created a miniaturized system-on-a-chip that offers a non-invasive and novel way to stimulate jaw growth and dental tissue healing.

"It's very exciting because we have shown the results and actually have something you can touch and feel that will impact the health of people in Canada and throughout the world," said Chen, who works out of the Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering and the National Institute for Nanotechnology.

The wireless design of the ultrasound transducer means the miniscule device will be able to fit comfortably inside a patient's mouth while packed in biocompatible materials. The unit will be easily mounted on an orthodontic or "braces" bracket or even a plastic removable crown. The team also designed an energy sensor that will ensure the LIPUS power is reaching the target area of the teeth roots within the bone. TEC Edmonton, the U of A's exclusive tech transfer service provider, filed the first patent recently in the U.S. Currently, the research team is finishing the system-on-a-chip and hopes to complete the miniaturized device by next year.

more...

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2006-06/uoa-umh062806.php


here is the fingertip case documented with the surgeons name:

Like many discoveries, this one was made by accident. In 1974, a child arrived at the emergency room of Sheffield Children's Hospital in England. A piece of farm machinery had sliced off her fingertip. The standard procedure in such injuries is to smooth the exposed bone and sew the skin closed, but due to a clerical mixup, the girl was not seen by a surgeon that day. When surgeon Cynthia Illingworth caught up with the error a few days later, she was surprised to find the fingertip was growing back. She ordered staff not to touch it. Within three months, the bone, cartilage, tendons, blood vessels, skin, nail, cuticle and motor nerves had grown back as though the accident had never occurred.

Studies have since documented more than 1,000 such cases. In fact, if a finger is guillotined beyond the outermost joint, in a child 11 years or younger, it always grows back within 90 days. What remains unclear is why, long ago in our evolutionary history, mammals lost the ability to regenerate like fish, frogs and newts. By what Darwinian quirk did we lose a quality so seemingly vital to our survival in a hostile world?

http://www.eyeinstitute.net/regeneration.html


TIME magazine: The Regenerative Finger
Posted Monday, Aug. 25, 1975
When a child's fingertip is sliced off or smashed in a car door, most doctors sew up the wound or attempt to reconstruct the digit. But the best treatment for such injuries may be none at all. Writing in the Journal of Pediatric Surgery, Dr. Cynthia Illingworth of the Children's Hospital in Sheffield, England, reports that until the child is age eleven or so, a fingertip that is not damaged below the first joint will often regenerate spontaneously if left alone. Thus instead of suturing up smashed or amputated fingertips, Dr. Illingworth and her colleagues merely clean the damaged digit, hold it in position with a sterile splint strip, cover it with a nonstick dressing and a mitten bandage, and then let nature take its course. Illingworth notes, for example, that a three-year-old girl whose fingertip was treated surgically following amputation in an accident was left with a permanently deformed finger. But a five-year-old who received the Sheffield nontreatment after a similar injury grew a new fingertip —complete with nail—in just three months. Here it is:

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,913436,00.html

With an infant's toe were talking ab out a tiny amount of tissue and bone if it is even bone. the skull, for example, is still soft on an infant. There is a soft spot on the head that still isn;t even closed yet.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 08:13 PM
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43. these were toes, by the way
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 09:02 PM
Response to Reply #43
71. Unfortunately, there is some truth to this...
Fetuses and newborn infants can regenerate fingertips and toe tips.

It's got nothing to do with several month old babies regrowing whole digits, and if I were the doctor that had worked on this regeneration I'd probably be slapping my forehead reading this thread.
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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 09:07 PM
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77. self delete
Edited on Tue Dec-12-06 09:08 PM by WindRavenX
replied to wrong post
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 09:09 PM
Response to Reply #77
78. yes, that's my point.
It's an interesting study, utterly irrelevant to the point, but it's unfortunate that such an interesting fact can go unnoticed or ridiculed because Rockstone goofed so badly.
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Rockstone Donating Member (633 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 09:15 PM
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81. This is neither a finger or toe tip


A CASE REPORT WITH SEVEN-YEAR FOLLOW-UP

We describe a three-year-old boy who had spontaneous regeneration of the entire lateral malleolus after injury, including the epiphysis, physis and metaphysis.

In children with bone injuries the high osteogenic potential can lead to spontaneous regeneration of significant bone loss. Previous reports have been limited to the diaphysis or metaphysis of long bones.l 4 We describe an exceptional case of spontaneous regeneration of the whole lateral malleolus, including the epiphysis, physis, and metaphysis in a three-year-old boy after injury.

CASE REPORT

A three-year-old boy sustained an open crushing injury of his left ankle and foot after being struck by a car. He lost the whole of his left lateral malleolus, a segment about 2 cm in length including the secondary ossification centre of the distal fibula, with extensive soft tissue damage (Fig. 1). Associated injuries included loss of toe extensors, open fractures of the calcaneus and talus with partial bone loss, and a closed fracture of the tibial shaft. After irrigation and debridement of the wound the leg was immobilised in a posterior plaster cast. Parenteral cephalosporin was given and daily wound dressings were used. Three weeks later the wound had granulated and the defect was covered with a split-thickness skin graft.

At six weeks, radiographs showed a small ossific nucleus in the distal fibula indicating regeneration of the secondary ossification centre (Fig. 2a). Four months later, regeneration of the lateral malleolus had accelerated with an enlarged ossific nucleus (Fig. 2b).
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Six years after the injury we resected the thick contracted scars over the lateral aspect of left ankle to correct an abnormally valgus position and covered the defect with a free vascularised parascapular flap. At seven-year followup, the lateral malleolus was seen to have regenerated and had an epiphysis, physis, and metaphysis. Although smaller and thinner than the normal contralateral malleolus (Fig. 2c), the valgus stress film showed that the angle between the articular surfaces of the distal tibia and the talar dome was 70 (right side 30), indicating acceptable stability of the ankle (Fig. 3).

DISCUSSION

One of the characteristics of a child's bone is its greater capacity for osteogenesis. Much of the bone is still cartilaginous with a thick, strong periosteum which strips rather than tears when a fracture occurs. Previous reports have described spontaneous regeneration of large segmental losses of the diaphysis in long bones, but this regeneration has been limited to the diaphysis or the metaphysis. It has been suggested that the remaining periosteal tube has a significant role in the repair of defects in the diaphysis.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 09:18 PM
Response to Reply #81
85. Yes, that's our point, Rockstone.
So why on earth would you expect it to regenerate?
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Rockstone Donating Member (633 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 09:28 PM
Response to Reply #85
88. because of the young age of the subject
some number of months old; i.e. likely not even a year.
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Rockstone Donating Member (633 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 09:12 PM
Response to Reply #43
79. toe, finger you think there is a difference?
plus the child is that much younger so the chances for regeneration are that much better

Spontaneous regeneration of the lateral malleolus after traumatic loss in a three-year-old boy (this is a leg bone)
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3767/is_199701/ai_n8749115

According to Dr. Cynthia Illingworth, children up to the age of eleven can regenerate fingertips! According to the doctor, "One day, owing to a misunderstanding, a child with a guillotine amputation of a fingertip, whom the Senior House Officer had intended to refer to a plastic surgeon, had the finger covered with a simple dressing, and in error was not seen again for several days. The finger was healing beautifully and there was eventually complete regrowth of the tip. We now know that this happens in young children." The length, contour, and function of the finger is completely restored!
http://library.thinkquest.org/C0110311/regeneration.shtml
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 09:29 PM
Response to Reply #79
89. toe, finger, malleolus, bone, epiphysus, crushed vs eaten. yes, different
It would be really great if it could happen.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 07:36 PM
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18. ??? The child is not a lizard! nt
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 07:37 PM
Response to Reply #15
19. Clue: If what you're reading features a story about the Bat Boy, it is not a reliable
source of information.
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Rockstone Donating Member (633 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 07:52 PM
Response to Reply #19
33. And neither is the New York Times?
Too liberal, right?
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 07:54 PM
Response to Reply #33
34. No - Is the NYT running stories about children growing back toes?
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 07:38 PM
Response to Reply #15
20. did you forget the sarcasm thingy?
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Kingshakabobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 07:41 PM
Response to Reply #20
21. I didn't think he/she needed it..??????
I thought it was funny....so are the reactions. :rofl:
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 07:42 PM
Response to Reply #21
23. i don't any chances anymore.
i always try and remember the sarcasm thingy unless i'm feeling especially snarky.

:D
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Vanje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 07:45 PM
Response to Reply #15
27. No no. You're mistaken. Its the tail that grows back.
nt
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Rockstone Donating Member (633 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 07:51 PM
Response to Reply #27
32. how many em-bare-assed DUer's is that?
about 7 or 8?
:rofl:

And you thought I was dumb... LOL..
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jus_the_facts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 08:10 PM
Response to Reply #32
42. You proved yourself to be...
...doesn't take rocket science to see it for ourselves. :eyes:
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lectrobyte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 08:25 AM
Response to Reply #15
99. Really? Then how do you explain all the little boys whose foreskins
never grew back? Sorry to bring this up, but I had to ask.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 07:44 PM
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26. COULD a 6 wk old puppy do this? picture and other article links
Edited on Tue Dec-12-06 07:57 PM by uppityperson
Picture in 1 place with article, am not sure if this the puppy or just "a" puppy?

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/10515613/detail.html


http://www.southflorida.com/news/sfl-1212pitbullpuppy,0,5850032.story?coll=sfe-guide-headlines2
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=nation_world&id=4846737
These both say the puppy was only 6 wks old.
The puppy was 6 weeks old and had no record of receiving its shots and will be quarantined for 10 days to check for rabies. Natale said he did not know what the puppy's fate would be after that.

"The puppy itself was just several weeks old! I mean this was essentially a puppy," Natale said.

"This puppy might have been trying to nurse on the toes of this baby," veterinarian Michael Dale speculated. "I know that sounds a little far fetched, but that's the first thing that comes to my mind."
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riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 07:49 PM
Response to Reply #26
30. Oh. Oh. Oh shit. Look at that little thing. Those fucking parents!!!!!!
:nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: Those fucking parents should be shot for being so negligent as to leave a 6 week old puppy (ie. too young to even have left it's mother!!! Of course it was trying to nurse!) with a baby!!

That poor little pup. I've got to go cry now.
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 09:17 PM
Response to Reply #30
83. Yes, shoot the parents, of course.
Then we can have a toeless child with no parents, that'll solve everything :eyes:

RL
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YellowRubberDuckie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 07:55 PM
Response to Reply #26
35. Nursing does not naw toes off.
There is something more sinister going on here...
Duckie
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riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 08:02 PM
Response to Reply #35
39. Have you watched pups nurse? They bite at the nipple - to start the milk flow,
or because they are anxious, or because they are playful or whatever goes through their little minds. The mother dog gently bites back to reprimand the pup and stop the biting.

This pup probably tried to nurse on a toe, nipped at the toe, perhaps it even drew blood on that first nip since those puppy teeth are SHARP! and the stage was set. The pup just kept chewing and nipping, the kid screamed, the parents sat and watched Monday night football (or whatever they were doing that meant they ignored the baby).

Puppies chew on EVERYTHING!!! Even if it wasn't trying to nurse, it would definitely be within the realm of possibility that this was just puppy teething played out to tragic consequences.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 09:01 PM
Response to Reply #39
68. article says they were sleeping
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 09:05 PM
Response to Reply #68
75. They were fuckin HIGH.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 08:25 PM
Response to Reply #35
50. Dude...WTF. Puppies nibble @ the nipple to get the flow to start. You know nothing about dogs.
Edited on Tue Dec-12-06 08:25 PM by xultar
You shouldn't be involved in any decisions where taking care of a pet is concerned.

I hope you don't have any pets. You're too vicious.
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YellowRubberDuckie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 08:35 PM
Response to Reply #50
56. Yeah, puppies nibble...but thru bone?!
And why am I too vicious? I'm realistic. I've had pets all my life and they were spoiled rotten, sweet animals.
Jesus Christ dude. Over react much? Where in any part of made me freaking vicious? They don't REMOVE THE NIPPLE in order to get to the milk. They nibble. They don't bite. We had scores of puppies over the years, and I don't remember the mama dog ever having bloody nipples or her nipples bitten off. Maybe you should calm down a little bit and reread my post. I think you saw something that wasn't there.
And if you're referring to the reply from above, how is it vicious? Putting an animal to sleep is a kindness after something like that happened. Once an animal gets a taste for blood, it's a dangerous animal.
Duckie
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 08:37 PM
Response to Reply #50
60. vicious is just the start of a whole string
Edited on Tue Dec-12-06 08:38 PM by xchrom
of unattractive adjectives.

i'm with you -- and some of these responses are bizarre.
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Kingshakabobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 07:57 PM
Response to Reply #26
36. Awww. What a cute little man-eater.......It's a pit-bull for sure!












:sarcasm:
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 08:07 PM
Response to Reply #26
41. If the puppy was starving, yes.
If the puppy's starving, everything else is just meat.
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phylny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 07:28 AM
Response to Reply #26
98. Shame on the breeder and the parents for taking a 6-week-old puppy
away from its mother.

Among other things they should be ashamed of (parents, I mean).
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 08:14 PM
Response to Original message
44. some stupid ass parent proving to the world how gentle and kind
pit bulls are, putting it in the crib of a baby?

i can see my brother doing something stupid like that. see..... pits like little kids. gotta prove how much that pit is a family dog
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MazeRat7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 08:22 PM
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47. Yummmmm.... baby wings..... good!!!! - nt
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 08:32 PM
Response to Original message
54. The parents were at fault for not making sure that the baby was secure
and unfortunately the pup will probably have to be put down due to getting a taste of human blood. But I'm no expert on that, and so we will have to see what happens.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 08:32 PM
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55. This is a NEWSPAPER REPORTER, and he or she says "promoted staff there to call..."
Edited on Tue Dec-12-06 08:35 PM by Redstone
instead of "prompted staff there to call...?"

If you slept through all of your English classes, maybe being a newspaper reporter isn't the right job for you.

Redstone
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 08:36 PM
Response to Reply #55
58. looks like the editor missed that typo
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 08:47 PM
Response to Reply #58
63. There are still editors? You'd never know from reading most newspapers these days.
Redstone
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 08:36 PM
Response to Original message
59. The vet weighs in:
Immediately and permanently remove that puppy and all other animals from that home. Bar those jerks from ever owning another animal.

Remove the child from the home.

I suspect the parents did not notice the baby's screams because they were, ahem, "otherwise occupied" - probably with putting some illegal or legal substance in their bodies for pleasure. You'd have to be drunk or stoned or unconscious not to hear the screaming that HAD to have been going on.

I don't have kids, but most new parents I know are f---ing GLUED to their babies.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 09:04 PM
Response to Reply #59
72. Thanks for weighing in. For sure the parents were high. You're right.
Can you believe how many people in here will just shoot?
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 11:36 AM
Response to Reply #72
100. Yeah. Blame the PUPPY. Makes me ill. What is it about the concept of
immaturity and innocence don't people get? Bet the puppy was all of 10 weeks or so..........

We have a bunch here who believe in the death penalty for severely delusional mentally ill and/or mentally retarded people, too. Some days I think I'm over at FR.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 09:25 PM
Response to Original message
87. Some people aren't fit
to have either dogs or children! x(
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NotGivingUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 09:30 PM
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90. This is the 2nd story about a pit bull injuring someone that I've
heard today. The other story was in this morning's paper. Sorry...people and their dogs can REALLY piss me off. Something has to be done about these occurences. I'm sick of hearing about irresponsible dog owners. I can't even jog around my own neighborhood cuz these stupid people have their dogs running about with no chain. I had one HUGE dog come running at me like he was going to attack. It is fricking ridiculous.
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selfdestructive Donating Member (113 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 09:58 PM
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91. i'd put those people down before i put that dog down
true story.
judging by these posts, most of you here are entirely animal ignorant.
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TimeChaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 07:06 AM
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96. All puppies chew, breed doesn't matter
Hell, my boyfriend's shi-tzu mix puppy used to try and gnaw my fingers, and I bet that if A) my fingers were as small and fragile as an infant's toes and B) I didn't have the size/strength to get away or push him off, that I would be missing a few fingers now.
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onecent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 12:03 PM
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103. Didn't the baby cry? n/t
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 08:49 PM
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106. This is obviously a display in really bad fucking parenting...
..How is the fuck are you not going to know that your kid is being knawed on? I dont blame the puppy in the least, it is a dog and needs instruction.
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 06:43 PM
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108. It is truly tragic
and sickening to even think about.

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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 06:44 PM
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109. The puppy was less than 6 weeks old
and was probably just trying to nurse. The parents were just too young to have such a tender age infant AND puppy in their care, and fortunately both have been removed from the home.

People are going off half-cocked about this because they think it was an attack. After seeing the tiny puppy on the news last night, it was very clear that is not the case.
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Dastard Stepchild Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 06:47 PM
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110. Egads...
Just when the stories about pits die down and I think they'll catch a break, another one pops up.

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Vadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 01:00 AM
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114. This is criminal!!!! I hate to read this kind of crap about babies....
Where were her parents???? They placed her baby seat down where the pit bull could reach her! I am so disgusted by this story!!!!!

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