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LibraLiz1973 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 06:59 PM Original message |
How can you be pro choice but have a problem with the death penalty? |
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WindRavenX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:01 PM Response to Original message |
1. ...because there's no choice in the death penalty? |
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LibraLiz1973 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:03 PM Response to Reply #1 |
7. Abortion isn't murder but it is death. And I don't think execution |
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WindRavenX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:04 PM Response to Reply #7 |
14. But the state is taking another life for "justice" |
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philosophie_en_rose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:11 PM Response to Reply #14 |
29. And execution is not an individual's choice. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:13 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. Actually, yes it is. One can choose to commit a crime or not commit... |
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LibraLiz1973 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:14 PM Response to Reply #32 |
39. No, your exactly right |
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WindRavenX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:17 PM Original message |
what about those who are innocent and are killed by the state? |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:19 PM Response to Original message |
54. Very true, and this is a reason to be against the death penalty in most cases... |
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WindRavenX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:22 PM Response to Reply #54 |
61. To be honest, I don't really know |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:26 PM Response to Reply #61 |
69. Good points all of them, and it's the reason I don't support the death penalty... |
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WindRavenX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:30 PM Response to Reply #69 |
84. I think we'd all like to have something done to people who hurt us that gives us closure |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:35 PM Response to Reply #84 |
89. I think we can debate that, because I myself still think about it. |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:45 PM Response to Original message |
108. Right wing clowns swerve and try to prohibit assisted suicide in cases of terminal |
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WindRavenX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:16 PM Response to Reply #32 |
44. ah, but since justice is not carried out equally, then the individual's actions may not be equal |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:39 PM Response to Reply #32 |
96. the fact that committing a crime is a choice does not mean execution is a choice |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:44 PM Response to Reply #96 |
106. Yes, but if a fetus has different DNA than the mother, how can it possibly be as... |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 08:10 PM Response to Reply #106 |
135. How is it not as simple as having control over her body? |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 08:13 PM Response to Reply #135 |
139. The problem is that the woman is not solely controlling her body... |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 08:39 PM Response to Reply #139 |
152. that's not really a problem for everyone |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 08:49 PM Response to Reply #152 |
156. Isn't the fetus dependent on the mother? |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 09:00 PM Response to Reply #156 |
165. I'm sure none would challenge the dependent part, but *body* on the other hand |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 09:02 PM Response to Reply #165 |
169. It's very difficult if you value both the mother's and the child's rights. |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 09:14 PM Response to Reply #169 |
175. I think that's the crux of the issue |
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boilerbabe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 12:07 AM Response to Reply #165 |
367. Thank you, Fishwax for this post. |
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WindRavenX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:14 PM Response to Reply #29 |
38. That as well |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:18 PM Original message |
How is it inherently racist? |
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WindRavenX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:24 PM Response to Original message |
64. if you look at cases where the death penalty is used... |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 08:42 PM Response to Reply #64 |
154. another factor is that it places a greater value on white victims than on black |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:42 PM Response to Original message |
101. that isn't a logical argument at all |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:48 PM Response to Reply #101 |
110. Well, the problem here is that it is possible to give someone the death penalty... |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 08:03 PM Response to Reply #110 |
127. you asked how it was inherently racist, and then offered a |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 08:09 PM Response to Reply #127 |
134. I understand opposition to the system as implemented in the US... |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 08:34 PM Response to Reply #134 |
151. there are a number of reasons to oppose the death penalty in that case |
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marmar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 10:04 PM Response to Original message |
211. Even the Repug governor of Illinois found it inherently racist.... |
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RetroLounge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:26 PM Response to Reply #7 |
68. Fatal Cancer isn't murder but it is death |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:27 PM Response to Reply #68 |
74. I think you're joking around with a serious matter. |
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RetroLounge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:39 PM Response to Reply #74 |
94. I think comparing Pro-Choice with a sham trial |
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LibraLiz1973 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:40 PM Response to Reply #94 |
98. Actually I am comparing it to the death penalty in general |
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Gregory_Wonderwheel (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 03:16 PM Response to Reply #7 |
668. I support the murderer's right to choose life or death. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:03 PM Response to Reply #668 |
675. Now that is in interesting proposition. |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:18 PM Response to Reply #1 |
50. Right, abortion kills a possibility of a life |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:30 PM Response to Reply #50 |
81. Abortion ends a human life, but there are a number of situations... |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 08:18 PM Response to Reply #81 |
142. It's not a human life YET, chum |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 08:20 PM Response to Reply #142 |
145. It has human DNA, the cells are human cells... |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 08:44 PM Response to Reply #145 |
155. It's still not a baby, chum, and it's still not a LIFE |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 08:51 PM Response to Reply #155 |
157. At what point does it become wrong to kill the fetus? |
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WindRavenX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 08:52 PM Response to Reply #157 |
159. whenever it's out of the body |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 08:57 PM Response to Reply #159 |
162. So if the mother chooses to kill the unborn 1 day before it is born... |
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WindRavenX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 09:00 PM Response to Reply #162 |
164. It's not my body so I don't have an opinion |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 09:04 PM Response to Reply #164 |
171. But if that's murder, don't you have the same imperitive for the murder of an adult? |
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WindRavenX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 09:05 PM Response to Reply #171 |
172. I said *I* would consider it murder if not done for medical reasons--but that doesn't mean.. |
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boilerbabe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 12:37 AM Response to Reply #162 |
384. Pretzel logic, more like n/t |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:56 AM Response to Reply #162 |
578. Do you honestly think this happens? |
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boilerbabe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 12:35 AM Response to Reply #159 |
383. I agree. n/t |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 09:41 PM Response to Reply #157 |
185. I believe that a fetus is a life from the moment of conception. |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 10:32 PM Response to Reply #157 |
246. What makes you sure there's a set time? |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 02:15 AM Response to Reply #157 |
414. "alive" does not = being a human being. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:57 AM Response to Reply #157 |
580. The unfertilized egg and sperms are alive, too. |
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Qutzupalotl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 02:24 PM Response to Reply #580 |
659. Exactly. And thank you. |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 09:08 AM Response to Reply #157 |
639. In many countries with totally legal early abortion, there is a time limit to abortion on demand |
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boilerbabe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 12:27 AM Response to Reply #142 |
379. Exactly!!! n/t |
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boilerbabe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 12:24 AM Response to Reply #81 |
375. Walk a mile in someone else's shoes |
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midnight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 10:04 PM Response to Reply #1 |
208. Very well put. |
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Taxloss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:01 PM Response to Original message |
2. Abortion AND the death penalty in one thread? |
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WindRavenX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:01 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. LOL |
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itsmesgd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:02 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. and what about smoking? |
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Taxloss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:04 PM Response to Reply #4 |
13. Was Steve Irwin circumcised? n/t |
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xmas74 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:11 PM Response to Reply #4 |
27. Add breastfeeding and cornflake fried chicken |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:16 PM Response to Reply #27 |
42. and don't forget those shopping carts and kids running amuck |
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xmas74 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:17 PM Response to Reply #42 |
47. I have two words for you: |
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BlueEyedSon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:24 PM Response to Reply #27 |
63. Oh god, I love CF fried Chicken |
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xmas74 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:36 PM Response to Reply #63 |
92. I don't eat fried chicken. |
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Starbucks Anarchist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 09:03 PM Response to Reply #27 |
170. What was the cornflake fried chicken about? |
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xmas74 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 08:54 AM Response to Reply #170 |
636. You must have missed that one. |
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boilerbabe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 12:30 AM Response to Reply #27 |
381. got a recipe for that? n/t |
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xmas74 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 08:56 AM Response to Reply #381 |
637. Nope. |
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TheCowsCameHome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:14 PM Response to Reply #2 |
34. Ya forgot smokers rights. I love a trifecta. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:02 PM Response to Original message |
5. some dont see an embryo or fetus as human life. n/t |
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Squatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:02 PM Response to Original message |
6. Holy crap... |
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Solo_in_MD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:03 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. you didn't leave enough for the rest of us... |
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LibraLiz1973 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:04 PM Original message |
Your taking it the wrong way..... I really don't think a big old brawl is |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:05 PM Response to Original message |
15. LOL. *You're* the one who called those of us against the DP hypocrites. |
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Lautremont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:07 PM Original message |
I was about to say the same thing. |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:57 PM Response to Reply #15 |
120. It totally is n/t |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:09 PM Response to Original message |
24. me.... wink. n/t |
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TheCowsCameHome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:17 PM Response to Original message |
45. Bad choice of words.......... |
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xmas74 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:12 PM Response to Reply #6 |
31. May I have some of that popcorn |
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Beaverhausen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 08:03 PM Response to Reply #6 |
126. Are there any good seats left? |
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Nutmegger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:03 PM Response to Original message |
8. Starting more flamebait? |
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Squatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:04 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. Although a potentially VERY flamey topic, |
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Rosemary2205 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:04 PM Response to Original message |
10. People getting executed don't get a choice. |
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renate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:21 PM Response to Reply #10 |
56. People getting executed had a choice to do whatever got them into that situation |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:53 PM Response to Reply #56 |
116. execution is not a matter of individual choice. abortion is. |
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Rosemary2205 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 08:07 PM Response to Reply #56 |
129. Unfortunately |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 08:12 PM Response to Reply #129 |
137. I think that's a very good point, but it is not a generalized point... |
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peacebaby3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 09:38 PM Response to Reply #56 |
183. You need to seriously look into the vast majority of people who are on death |
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boilerbabe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 03:15 AM Response to Reply #183 |
452. Excellent post, hope everyone reads it n/t |
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peacebaby3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 07:00 PM Response to Reply #452 |
682. Thanks, boilerbabe!!! n/t |
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renate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 03:20 AM Response to Reply #183 |
457. thank you very much for that excellent post--lots of stuff I hadn't considered |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 03:26 AM Response to Reply #457 |
463. that was a nice post, renate |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:05 AM Response to Reply #457 |
512. You just restored my faith in DU, Renate. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 05:48 AM Response to Reply #457 |
628. thank you for the nice post here. |
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peacebaby3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 06:47 PM Response to Reply #457 |
681. Renate, thank you so much for taking the time to read all of it. Most |
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renate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-01-07 12:08 AM Response to Reply #681 |
685. wow... in so many ways, wow... |
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peacebaby3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-01-07 02:41 PM Response to Reply #685 |
686. Yes, there is a lot to learn about how the system works and while I |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:04 PM Response to Original message |
11. +Some don't believe that life occurs at conception. |
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WindRavenX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:06 PM Response to Reply #11 |
18. That's the crux of the arguement right there |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:14 PM Response to Reply #18 |
36. If a DNA test is done on a fetus, is the DNA not human DNA or something? |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:18 PM Response to Reply #36 |
49. Everytime I scratch myself, I commit genocide. n/t |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:30 PM Response to Reply #49 |
83. "Every sperm is sacred". |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:36 PM Response to Reply #83 |
91. I refer you both to reply #88. |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:19 PM Response to Reply #36 |
52. DNA from hair and nails is also human |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:33 PM Response to Reply #52 |
86. True, but those cells cannot aside from cloning techniques, produce life. |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:50 PM Response to Reply #86 |
112. What about Parthenogenesis? |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 07:20 AM Response to Reply #86 |
632. But the sperm and egg can produce life, too. |
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WindRavenX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:49 PM Response to Reply #36 |
111. because it's not a child |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:58 PM Response to Reply #111 |
121. Exactly |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 08:04 PM Response to Reply #111 |
128. Isn't a baby dependent on it's parents? |
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WindRavenX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 08:07 PM Response to Reply #128 |
130. but not in a biological sense |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 08:16 PM Response to Reply #130 |
140. True, a baby can be adopted. Other people can technically feed the baby... |
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WindRavenX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 08:18 PM Response to Reply #140 |
141. no, what I meant is that ... |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 08:26 PM Response to Reply #141 |
146. Dependence does not mean one has absolute control over the dependent... |
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WindRavenX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 08:30 PM Response to Reply #146 |
149. before birth, it absolutely does |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 08:39 PM Response to Reply #146 |
153. That's not what is meant by dependent... |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 08:52 PM Response to Reply #153 |
158. You make the assumption that the child will live to five or six, if not fed as a baby... |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 09:02 PM Response to Reply #158 |
167. Actually, higher brain function should count... |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 09:30 PM Response to Reply #167 |
180. The problem is that we aren't thinking about the possibility... |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 10:06 PM Response to Reply #180 |
212. Bad analogy, you can measure brain activity in an unconscious human being.... |
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boilerbabe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 03:29 AM Response to Reply #212 |
468. Another voice of reason joins the discussion--thanks! n/t |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:57 PM Response to Reply #36 |
119. but it isn't a child |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 08:00 PM Response to Reply #119 |
123. What's a child? |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 09:17 PM Response to Reply #123 |
177. a person between birth and full growth |
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silverweb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:14 PM Response to Reply #18 |
37. Bingo. |
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mzteris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:05 PM Response to Original message |
16. well you've made up your mind about abortion |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:05 PM Response to Original message |
17. Easy.. Pro Choice does NOT equal Pro Abortion.... |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:08 PM Response to Reply #17 |
22. this is the best of the points. i am consistant. i dont agree with abortion |
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xmas74 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:14 PM Response to Reply #17 |
35. Bingo! |
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silverweb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:22 PM Response to Reply #17 |
60. Yup. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:43 PM Response to Reply #17 |
102. I think the argument against pro-choice is usually based around... |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:06 PM Response to Original message |
19. Don't support state sanctioned abortion either |
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boilerbabe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 03:37 AM Response to Reply #19 |
478. What do you mean by state-sanctioned? |
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Withywindle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:07 PM Response to Original message |
20. No contradiction here, and here's the key... |
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LibraLiz1973 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:11 PM Response to Reply #20 |
28. I should clarify- I mean when you abort a 3 month + old fetus |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:18 PM Response to Reply #28 |
48. So at 12 weeks 6 days: no problem? |
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peacebird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:26 PM Response to Reply #28 |
70. as long as the fetus is not developed enough to survive outside the mothers body |
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LibraLiz1973 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:31 PM Response to Reply #70 |
85. I think the same thing about FR... How can they be against |
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Withywindle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:35 PM Response to Reply #28 |
90. See peacebird's response below... |
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LibraLiz1973 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:19 PM Response to Reply #20 |
51. I don't think that when a woman miscarries she's upset because |
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peacebird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:29 PM Response to Reply #51 |
79. Have you had a miscarriage? |
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Withywindle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:29 PM Response to Reply #51 |
80. She's mourning the loss of a potential child that she WANTED. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 08:08 PM Response to Reply #51 |
132. no, we mourn the life that will not be. |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 10:09 PM Response to Reply #51 |
220. Most fertilizations do not result in a successful pregnancy... |
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boilerbabe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 03:48 AM Response to Reply #51 |
497. That would possibly depend on the individual who miscarried |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:08 PM Response to Original message |
21. I see that disenguity is being taken to new heights. |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 08:00 PM Response to Reply #21 |
122. Into the damned stratosphere n/t |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:08 PM Response to Original message |
23. You certainly have a right to your opinions, but |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:09 PM Response to Original message |
25. I think one can be consistent if one's opposition to the death penalty |
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philosophie_en_rose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:10 PM Response to Original message |
26. Translation: Don't Blame Me for Posting Flamebait |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:11 PM Response to Original message |
30. prochoice = killing babies? |
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:13 PM Response to Original message |
33. Why don't we have funerals for miscarriages? |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:15 PM Response to Reply #33 |
40. Some people do have funerals or memorial services for miscarriages |
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BlueEyedSon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:27 PM Response to Reply #40 |
73. Every menstrual period is a potentially lost baby |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:56 PM Response to Reply #73 |
118. I think you would admit there is a physiological difference between... |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 08:09 PM Response to Reply #118 |
133. physiological difference between a 10 wk embryo & a grown man too |
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me b zola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 08:19 PM Response to Reply #118 |
143. It is common for fertalized eggs to not implant in the uterine wall... |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 08:28 PM Response to Reply #143 |
147. Yes, I'm terribly sorry to you both, I was being extremely vague and sloppy in my use of language. |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:27 PM Response to Reply #33 |
71. well said! |
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phylny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 09:52 PM Response to Reply #33 |
191. Going along with the funeral theory, |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:15 PM Response to Original message |
41. Obviously we like to kill babies and we loved Saddam. |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 08:01 PM Response to Reply #41 |
124. Don't forget the elder Bush's dirty hoax concerning the ugly lie Saddam's soldiers |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:16 PM Response to Original message |
43. Abortions performed prior to viable stage are not murder |
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:17 PM Response to Original message |
46. Yes, its a conundrum- but its a kind of death we can easily avoid |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:19 PM Response to Original message |
53. "It's only living if you can see it, and look it in the eyes" |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:21 PM Response to Reply #53 |
59. wow. Sort of like "God's hands" murders? nt |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:19 PM Response to Original message |
55. Because I think that it's a bad idea to try and justify killing unless absolutely necessary |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:21 PM Response to Original message |
57. I am pro-choice because |
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mogster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:21 PM Response to Original message |
58. If you were to abort a 50+ year old fetus ... n/t |
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TheCowsCameHome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:24 PM Response to Reply #58 |
65. How about 60 years old and named Bush? |
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mogster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:30 PM Response to Reply #65 |
82. If he's still a fetus after 60 years, I'd say no |
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liberal N proud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:23 PM Response to Original message |
62. Not a problem, banning abortion destroys two lives |
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LibraLiz1973 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:27 PM Response to Reply #62 |
72. The last sentence is a very valid point. EOM |
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progressivebydesign (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:25 PM Response to Original message |
66. Umm. embryo vs. actual person. big diff. n/t |
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BlueEyedSon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:26 PM Response to Original message |
67. Someone's got to balance out the pro-life, pro-death-penalty nutjobs! |
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applegrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:27 PM Response to Original message |
75. Why? It is a completely liberal way to be. I cannot imagine why it would |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:28 PM Response to Original message |
76. Deleted sub-thread |
RetroLounge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:28 PM Response to Original message |
77. Saddam wasn't a fetus |
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WindRavenX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:39 PM Response to Reply #77 |
97. LOL GREAT mental image |
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RetroLounge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:41 PM Response to Reply #97 |
99. Gotta love the logical hoops some people jump thru |
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WindRavenX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:43 PM Response to Reply #99 |
103. I swear, sometimes I think I'm taking crazy pills |
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Kerrytravelers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:02 PM Response to Reply #103 |
286. Sometimes I agree, I think I'm taking crazy pills... |
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LynnTheDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:28 PM Response to Original message |
78. If someone found guilty of a capital crime CHOOSES to be executed |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:34 PM Response to Original message |
87. I don't see the conundrum at all |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:34 PM Response to Original message |
88. until the time a baby can exist outside the womb- it is |
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Kerrytravelers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:37 PM Response to Original message |
93. I've seen this argument before. "How can you be pro-choice and anti-war?" |
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LibraLiz1973 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:42 PM Response to Reply #93 |
100. Then I fail there. Because I am pro choice and anti war |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:39 PM Response to Original message |
95. Every other civilized nation has come to terms with the "conundrum" |
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LibraLiz1973 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:44 PM Response to Reply #95 |
105. this is a very interesting point |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 05:34 AM Response to Reply #105 |
622. I don't know if it's anger |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 09:08 AM Response to Reply #622 |
638. Punishment gives the psychos the woody they want; prevention doesn't. |
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peacetalksforall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:44 PM Response to Original message |
104. There are some distinctions that make it easier to follow if |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:44 PM Response to Original message |
107. I do not see the two related in any manner. |
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tnlefty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:47 PM Response to Original message |
109. Sorry, the POTENTIAL for life is pregnancy, not a living, innocent |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:51 PM Response to Original message |
113. People have sovereignty over their own bodies. |
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bliss_eternal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 08:10 PM Response to Reply #113 |
136. Hi lwfern. |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 10:16 PM Response to Reply #136 |
234. Hi! |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:51 PM Response to Original message |
114. "I understand the other view that an “eye for an eye” leaves everyone eyeless." |
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johnnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:53 PM Response to Original message |
115. I have a problem with both..but.. |
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intaglio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:54 PM Response to Original message |
117. NOT an easy question |
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Changenow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 08:02 PM Response to Original message |
125. Because it is not homicide |
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Lone_Star_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 08:08 PM Response to Original message |
131. I don't see them as even close to the same |
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Hamlette (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 08:13 PM Response to Original message |
138. DP is about revenge, an emotion we should not be promoting |
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patricia92243 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 08:20 PM Response to Original message |
144. The person is not making the choice to die. One is a metter of choice, the other isn't. |
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BlackVelvet04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 08:29 PM Response to Original message |
148. One of the problems with your argument is that we do not know for |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 08:57 PM Response to Reply #148 |
161. I agree -- there is disagreement among people about that |
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HuskiesHowls (582 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 08:30 PM Response to Original message |
150. I am not pro choice...I'm against government intervention!!! |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 08:55 PM Response to Reply #150 |
160. If abortion is murder, or negligence resulting in death... |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 08:58 PM Response to Reply #160 |
163. "IF abortion is murder"... |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 09:01 PM Response to Reply #163 |
166. But if it is, then the same legal basis for laws against murder apply. |
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HuskiesHowls (582 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 09:08 PM Response to Reply #160 |
173. You missed the point entirely |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 09:33 PM Response to Reply #173 |
182. Then why do we prosecute people for committing murder? |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 09:41 PM Response to Reply #182 |
186. Because murder violates the rights of another. NT |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 09:49 PM Response to Reply #186 |
188. What about the rights of a fetus to grow up and be an adult... |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 09:50 PM Response to Reply #188 |
190. Where do you find that right? |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 09:57 PM Response to Reply #190 |
198. What right do I have to live? |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 09:59 PM Response to Reply #198 |
202. Your right to your body and property is codified in law. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 10:00 PM Response to Reply #198 |
203. You're surviving outside of your mother's womb, right? |
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HuskiesHowls (582 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 09:44 PM Response to Reply #182 |
187. Morals, and rights are two entirely different things |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 09:50 PM Response to Reply #187 |
189. Isn't a mother interfering with the rights of the fetus to live? |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 09:52 PM Response to Reply #189 |
192. The fetus has no right to use a woman's body, any more than a person who needs |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 09:55 PM Response to Reply #192 |
195. Yes, but aside from rape or some other forced sex act... |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 09:57 PM Response to Reply #195 |
197. So, it's a punishment thing. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 09:59 PM Response to Reply #197 |
201. No, it's not punishment at all, it's accepting responsibility for procreating... |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 10:02 PM Response to Reply #201 |
204. The part that says you or anyone else has the right to force her to be an incubator. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 10:06 PM Response to Reply #204 |
213. No, she made the choice to have sex. Having sex is something which causes pregnancy... |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 10:08 PM Response to Reply #213 |
215. So you're saying if she meets your conditions she can have an abortion? |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 05:08 AM Response to Reply #215 |
592. Amazing how quickly it gets to "She could have CHOSEN to keep her legs crossed". |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 05:11 AM Response to Reply #592 |
598. Oh, wait until you get to the rapist/car analogy. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 10:08 PM Response to Reply #213 |
217. And smoking causes cancer. Sex can cause AIDS too. Would you deny someone |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 10:03 PM Response to Reply #201 |
206. Why isn't abortion a way to accept that responsibility? Would you deny AIDS meds to |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 10:08 PM Response to Reply #206 |
216. No, because treating someone's HIV infection wouldn't take anyone's life... |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 10:09 PM Response to Reply #216 |
221. You can't make up your mind. Is the reason to not abort that it kills a life, or that the |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 10:09 PM Response to Reply #216 |
222. But risking a woman's life by forcing her to have a child is okay with you? |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 09:57 PM Response to Reply #195 |
199. Irrelevant. She may know there's a risk, and then address the outcome by abortion. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 10:03 PM Response to Reply #199 |
205. I'm not talking about forced acts, whether a forced act of sex... |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 10:04 PM Response to Reply #205 |
209. But what about the tumor? |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 10:09 PM Response to Reply #209 |
223. A tumor doesn't have intelligence, will never develop intelligence, |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 10:12 PM Response to Reply #223 |
228. Neither does a clump of cells attached to a uterine wall. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 10:14 PM Response to Reply #228 |
230. Did I say she should have to carry the child if it threatens her life? |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 10:16 PM Response to Reply #230 |
236. All fetuses have the potential to kill the mother. Who makes that choice? |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 02:19 AM Response to Reply #230 |
417. childbirth kills women. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 02:38 AM Response to Reply #417 |
428. True, but so does abortion... |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 02:40 AM Response to Reply #428 |
430. Statistics mean nothing without a decent source quoted.Now we get to the crux |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 02:45 AM Response to Reply #428 |
433. abortion kills men? |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 02:47 AM Response to Reply #433 |
436. embryonic men, see? Pre-men perhaps. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 02:54 AM Response to Reply #436 |
439. Pre-men = Se-men? |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 03:01 AM Response to Reply #439 |
442. True, guess my ma was only |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 02:56 AM Response to Reply #436 |
440. ah yes, must be the embryonic men |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 03:06 AM Response to Reply #440 |
443. ROFLMAO!!! |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 03:11 AM Response to Reply #443 |
448. psst, I'm |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 03:14 AM Response to Reply #448 |
450. Oh, LOL! I know, mine went hours ago. |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 03:14 AM Response to Reply #443 |
449. hehe |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 03:16 AM Response to Reply #449 |
454. It's like a wreck on the highway, isn't it? |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 03:15 AM Response to Reply #436 |
453. No, that's not what I meant. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 03:30 AM Response to Reply #453 |
469. What DID you mean? |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 03:46 AM Response to Reply #469 |
495. Males in general. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 03:52 AM Response to Reply #495 |
501. So killing "men" is absurd, but not blastocysts. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 03:53 AM Response to Reply #495 |
503. so, back to your statement starting this sub-thread and ask what you mean |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:01 AM Response to Reply #503 |
509. If a fetus has a y chromosome, it is a male. If the fetus is aborted... |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:11 AM Response to Reply #509 |
518. No, you are wrong. An embryo with only a Y chromosome will probably die on its own |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:12 AM Response to Reply #518 |
521. Ok, one y chromosome and one x chromosome. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:22 AM Response to Reply #521 |
534. so, back to your statement starting this sub-thread and ask what you mean |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:24 AM Response to Reply #534 |
536. Post your source on the number of miscarriages. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:29 AM Response to Reply #536 |
547. better than wiki, here you go. |
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HuskiesHowls (582 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 10:02 AM Response to Reply #518 |
643. Some people wonder if adult males are human LOL n/t |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 03:15 AM Response to Reply #433 |
451. Excuse me, males. |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 03:19 AM Response to Reply #451 |
455. which is not the same as a male *person* |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 03:21 AM Response to Reply #455 |
458. It is a person. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 03:24 AM Response to Reply #458 |
460. So when does it become a person? |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 03:25 AM Response to Reply #460 |
462. When did you become a person? |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 03:27 AM Response to Reply #462 |
464. Well, technically, I was half a person in me dad, and half a person in me mum. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 03:32 AM Response to Reply #462 |
472. answer the question, when did IT become a person? |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 03:44 AM Response to Reply #472 |
493. Implantation. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 03:50 AM Response to Reply #493 |
498. so this is a Person? |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 03:52 AM Response to Reply #498 |
500. Of course, that's not an implanted embryo. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:02 AM Response to Reply #500 |
510. How about these pictures, taken after implantation. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:07 AM Original message |
Yes. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:15 AM Original message |
That is not a human being. That is a fetus. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:21 AM Response to Original message |
533. That's a human fetus. It has human DNA, doens't it? |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:25 AM Response to Reply #533 |
539. fertilized human eggs usually have human DNA but aren't "person" |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:28 AM Response to Reply #539 |
544. Your mole? |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:36 AM Response to Reply #544 |
553. Indeed. Same thing I guess. Poor DNA,. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:45 AM Response to Reply #553 |
562. There is no possibility, aside from human cloning... |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:48 AM Response to Reply #562 |
568. Never say never, and see, there IS a possibility it could. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:52 AM Response to Reply #568 |
573. I specifically excluded human cloning. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:58 AM Response to Reply #573 |
581. But the technology exists so it has to be taken into consideration. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 05:00 AM Response to Reply #581 |
584. So you want to clone human beings? |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 03:34 AM Response to Reply #458 |
474. if it is a person, why is it okay to kill that person in the case of rape |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 03:38 AM Response to Reply #474 |
481. Now now, he said he had thought this out. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 03:47 AM Response to Reply #474 |
496. Because, against the will of the mother, that little person may take her life... |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 03:56 AM Response to Reply #496 |
506. So it's ethical to murder "that little person"? |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:03 AM Response to Reply #506 |
511. Where did I say murder? |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:09 AM Response to Reply #511 |
514. Your post #456: "When a woman has an abortion she is killing a person." |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:11 AM Response to Reply #514 |
520. If someone runs out in front of my car, and I hit them, they die... |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:13 AM Response to Reply #520 |
523. You SAID when a woman has an abortion it's murder. Why is one murder ethical and the other not? |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:20 AM Response to Reply #523 |
532. Like I said, killing someone and murder are not the same. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:24 AM Original message |
You SAID when a woman has an abortion it's murder. Why is one murder ethical and the other not? |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:35 AM Response to Original message |
552. Why is it any different? |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:38 AM Response to Reply #552 |
555. There are no "accidental" abortions. They are the same procedure. Now answer the question. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:50 AM Response to Reply #555 |
570. Do you actually believe that? |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:54 AM Response to Reply #570 |
574. Dodging by switching and asking another question. Try it again. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 05:01 AM Response to Reply #574 |
585. You don't believe that. |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 05:07 AM Response to Reply #585 |
591. no, she's trying to get you to clarify your position |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 05:10 AM Response to Reply #585 |
596. I am trying to get you to clarify. |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:07 AM Response to Reply #496 |
513. but allowing her to abort it means the state is allowing the certain death of a person |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:09 AM Response to Reply #513 |
516. What's tje? |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:11 AM Response to Reply #516 |
519. A typo: the Answer the question |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:13 AM Response to Reply #519 |
524. What does "the answer the question" mean? |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:15 AM Response to Reply #524 |
526. Can you answer the question or not? |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:17 AM Response to Reply #526 |
527. Don't you mean "will you answer the question or not?" |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:18 AM Response to Reply #527 |
529. I was wondering when you'd give up. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:22 AM Response to Reply #529 |
535. Did you mean "will you answer the question or not?" Or "can you answer the question or not?" |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:27 AM Response to Reply #535 |
543. Well? |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:32 AM Response to Reply #535 |
550. Frankly, I don't believe you when you say you can answer the question |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:31 AM Response to Reply #524 |
549. BWAHAHAHA |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:18 AM Response to Reply #516 |
528. It's supposed to be "the" |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:20 AM Response to Reply #528 |
531. A clever ploy. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:25 AM Response to Reply #531 |
540. I'm not searching Google or any other search engine. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:27 AM Response to Reply #540 |
542. Then answer the questions. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:24 AM Response to Reply #528 |
537. Thanks, I didn't know if you being clever. |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:41 AM Response to Reply #537 |
560. How would "tje" instead of "the" be being clever? |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:37 AM Response to Reply #513 |
554. That's true, but in one case she is responsible for the child being in her... |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:40 AM Response to Reply #554 |
558. So who is committing murder? |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:47 AM Response to Reply #558 |
566. The rapist. It's like throwing a person out in front of a car... |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:54 AM Response to Reply #566 |
575. The rapist is not in the room. He doesn't know the baby exists. There are no cars in the room either |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 05:06 AM Response to Reply #575 |
590. How would you like to answe this? |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 05:14 AM Response to Reply #590 |
602. Answer the question. Why is one murder ethical and the other not? |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 05:14 AM Response to Reply #602 |
603. Neither is ethical. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 05:17 AM Response to Reply #603 |
605. So abortion is always murder? And the rape pass you so graciously allowed me? |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 05:18 AM Response to Reply #603 |
606. We want you to say what you believe. Not just ask questions in response. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 05:26 AM Response to Reply #606 |
613. I'm just trying to do the right thing. I don't want anyone innocent... |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 05:29 AM Response to Reply #613 |
616. I don't know. I'm awful. I don't know. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 05:32 AM Response to Reply #616 |
620. Have you adopted any children? How have you helped the "unwanted"? |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 05:30 AM Response to Reply #613 |
618. You don't know what the right thing is? And you condemned me to death? |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 05:33 AM Response to Reply #618 |
621. I just want to do the right thing, what ever that may be... |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 05:36 AM Response to Reply #621 |
624. What is this "I" shit I keep hearing? What does any of this have to do with you? |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 07:29 AM Response to Reply #624 |
634. . |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 05:37 AM Response to Reply #621 |
625. I don't think I'll be able to go on. I can't really see too well now. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 05:41 AM Response to Reply #621 |
626. How many kids have you adopted or fostered? That is something "right" |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 05:35 AM Response to Reply #613 |
623. Define "Innocent" |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 05:18 AM Response to Reply #230 |
607. Why should YOU say whether SHE should ***"Have To"*** carry it at all? |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 02:18 AM Response to Reply #223 |
416. an embryo does not have intellegence either and can kill the mother. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 10:04 PM Response to Reply #205 |
210. Not different at all. If someone needed a kidney would they have the right to |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 10:10 PM Response to Reply #210 |
224. She gave her consent the moment she consented to having sex. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 10:16 PM Response to Reply #224 |
235. And she denied consent the moment she chose abortion. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 10:07 PM Response to Reply #205 |
214. Besides - if abortion is killing a person, what difference does it make if the mother |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 10:11 PM Response to Reply #214 |
225. Consent, she did not offer her consent to let the fetus use her body... |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 10:14 PM Response to Reply #225 |
231. Women die in childbirth, bubba, you have no right to force them to take that risk. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 10:34 PM Response to Reply #231 |
247. No, I think that you need to stop being so rude. "Slut" is a nasty word... |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 10:44 PM Response to Reply #247 |
253. Telling a woman she's an incubator is beyond rude, actually. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 10:53 PM Response to Reply #253 |
268. I'm not telling you to keep a child if it's going to kill you... |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:06 PM Response to Reply #268 |
294. And how do you know I won't die? Is there NO chance of death? |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 10:15 PM Response to Reply #225 |
232. If a woman chooses to abort, she likewise denies consent. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 10:36 PM Response to Reply #232 |
249. The only problem, is that she is taking away the rights of another person. |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 10:45 PM Response to Reply #249 |
254. you certainly haven't convinced anyone that there is another person involved |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 10:47 PM Response to Reply #249 |
258. No, the only problem is, you're taking away her right to choose whether or not to risk her life. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 02:20 AM Response to Reply #249 |
418. WHAT other person's rights? |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 02:40 AM Response to Reply #418 |
431. No, unless combined they are not capable of producing a human being... |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 02:46 AM Response to Reply #431 |
434. but every sperm is sacred since they can combine with an egg and become a person. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 03:07 AM Response to Reply #434 |
444. This question answers it all for you: |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 03:10 AM Response to Reply #444 |
447. You still don't answer except to ask another question. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 03:19 AM Response to Reply #447 |
456. When a woman has an abortion she is killing a person. |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 03:23 AM Response to Reply #456 |
459. when a woman has an abortion, she is usually under anesthetic, I believe |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 03:25 AM Response to Reply #456 |
461. When a man jerks off, he's killing MILLIONS! |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 03:28 AM Response to Reply #461 |
466. If you are taking this comment seriously: |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 03:31 AM Response to Reply #466 |
471. Clever. Impressive html skills. But I'm NOT joking. It takes a sperm and an egg to make a person. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 03:28 AM Response to Reply #456 |
465. WHAT person is she killing? |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 03:29 AM Response to Reply #465 |
467. The person she created when she had sex, accepted the responsibility of carrying the child... |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 03:34 AM Response to Reply #467 |
475. Egad. "then allowed to stay in her long enough to implant." |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 03:36 AM Response to Reply #475 |
476. Prove to me that abortion is not killing a human. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 03:38 AM Response to Reply #476 |
479. Prove to me when it becomes a human being. It takes sperm and an egg. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 03:39 AM Response to Reply #479 |
483. When did you become a human being? |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 03:44 AM Response to Reply #483 |
491. According to you, when my dad's sperm met my mom's egg, right? |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 03:45 AM Response to Reply #483 |
494. when does an egg and sperm become a human being? |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 03:44 AM Response to Reply #476 |
492. can't prove a negative, prove it is. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 03:50 AM Response to Reply #492 |
499. Wy should you have the right to kill another person, just because you don't want to raise them? |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:09 AM Response to Reply #499 |
515. Can't prove a negative, Prove it is. |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 03:52 AM Response to Reply #476 |
502. um, okay ... proof that abortion doesn't kill a human |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 03:58 AM Response to Reply #502 |
507. Okay, I'll use your definitions... |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 03:40 AM Response to Reply #467 |
484. What defines this cell, perhaps clump of cells as a "person"? |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 03:55 AM Response to Reply #484 |
505. when a woman consents to sex, she consents to conception and to carrying a child to term, including |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 03:59 AM Response to Reply #484 |
508. Do you really think that's up for debate? |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:13 AM Response to Reply #508 |
522. Sex is only to procreate? Why then do we, can we, fuck when not fertile? |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:19 AM Response to Reply #522 |
530. Yes, in humans, but in simpler species which resemble our lineage... |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:30 AM Response to Reply #530 |
548. Gee, I thought you said male-female human sex, yup, here you go |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:38 AM Response to Reply #548 |
556. So a woman who has unprotected sex, shouldn't even worry that she'll be pregnant... |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:43 AM Response to Reply #556 |
561. Not the craziest thing you've writtten tonight, but you are right, it does. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:49 AM Response to Reply #561 |
569. It's not solely made for creation, but that's a very distinct possibility... |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:56 AM Original message |
Sex is not soley made for creation, but there's a distinct possibility it was... |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 05:05 AM Response to Original message |
587. Excuse me? "Made" are you implying that somehow sex was "made" |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 05:13 AM Response to Reply #587 |
600. Your words, #569 |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 05:22 AM Response to Reply #600 |
609. If you want to kill an innocent child who did nothing to you, go ahead. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 05:25 AM Response to Reply #609 |
612. OMG, you can't answer your own words quoted back so you sink to this? |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 05:49 AM Response to Reply #609 |
629. What happened to "I just want to do the right thing" |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 06:03 AM Response to Reply #629 |
630. I thought I had thought about it, but I didn't. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 06:06 AM Response to Reply #630 |
631. I'm sorry I wasted your time. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 03:57 PM Response to Reply #631 |
674. pshaw. Here is some advice for you to take as you wish, or not |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:29 AM Response to Reply #508 |
546. I not only think it's up for debate, I think it's patently absurd |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:40 AM Response to Reply #546 |
559. Yes, she does. It is a known possible outcome... |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:46 AM Response to Reply #559 |
564. No she doesn't. At least most the women I've ever known of. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:58 AM Response to Reply #564 |
582. You make the choice when you have sex. You can... |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 05:05 AM Response to Reply #582 |
588. You've called me a slut, irrational, now delusional because I believe differently that you |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 05:08 AM Response to Reply #588 |
593. Why would you have an abortion? |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 05:31 AM Response to Reply #582 |
619. Face it you tramps |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:58 AM Response to Reply #559 |
583. knowing a possible outcome is not the same as giving consent to all of its ramifications |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 05:05 AM Response to Reply #583 |
586. You assume that abortion is an ethical remedy for consensual sex... |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 05:09 AM Response to Reply #586 |
594. You assume that abortion is an ethical remedy for non consensual sex. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 05:10 AM Response to Reply #594 |
597. You assume it's that simple. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 05:16 AM Response to Reply #597 |
604. Abortion is either murder or it's not. Which is it? |
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El Fuego (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 11:53 AM Response to Reply #604 |
653. It's not. Because "murder" is legally defined. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 05:26 AM Response to Reply #597 |
615. You didn't explain. Is it murder or not? |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 05:10 AM Response to Reply #586 |
595. abortion as a remedy for sex? What do you mean by that? |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 05:13 AM Response to Reply #595 |
601. A rememdy for pregnancy. Sorry. |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 05:23 AM Response to Reply #601 |
610. I assume that a woman has a right to control what happens to her body |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 05:25 AM Response to Reply #610 |
611. But what about the fetus. Doesn't it have the same right? |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 05:26 AM Response to Reply #611 |
614. No. eom. |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 05:30 AM Response to Reply #611 |
617. it hasn't the capability, let alone the right |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 07:24 AM Response to Reply #586 |
633. You assume that it's your business to dictate to other people your *belief* |
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HuskiesHowls (582 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 10:31 AM Response to Reply #508 |
651. The Shakers believed that.... |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 02:47 AM Response to Reply #431 |
435. But each sperm HAS the potential to become a baby. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 03:31 AM Response to Reply #435 |
470. If a sperm does not fertilize an egg, it cannot magically become a child. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 03:36 AM Response to Reply #470 |
477. But if a man masturbates or uses spermicide, he's killing potential children. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 03:39 AM Response to Reply #477 |
482. They do not have a chance at becoming life unless combined with an egg. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 03:42 AM Response to Reply #482 |
488. But they could, if they were put in the vagina of a fertile woman |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 03:42 AM Response to Reply #482 |
489. They do not have a chance if you kill them. |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 03:43 AM Response to Reply #482 |
490. and the implanted embryo won't magically produce a human being without |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 03:55 AM Response to Reply #490 |
504. This won't produce an intelligent human being without nourishment either: |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:24 AM Response to Reply #504 |
538. well, that *is* a human being |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:27 AM Response to Reply #538 |
541. So when in your opinion does a human being become a human being? |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 05:06 AM Response to Reply #541 |
589. a human being is living outside of the womb |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 05:11 AM Response to Reply #589 |
599. Ok, just a human. |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 05:20 AM Response to Reply #599 |
608. a woman has a right to control what happens to her own body. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 03:41 AM Response to Reply #470 |
486. did you know that at least 1/3 of pregnancies end in miscarriage? |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:15 AM Response to Reply #486 |
525. Yes, very sad isn't it? |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:33 AM Response to Reply #525 |
551. Nope. I was wrong, 40-50% |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 10:22 PM Response to Reply #225 |
239. how does having sex equal consent to having a fetus use your body? |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 10:03 PM Response to Reply #199 |
207. But the tumor has a right to live, joe. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 10:12 PM Response to Reply #207 |
229. A malignant tumor's nature is such that it will kill it's host, in all but the most rare... |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 10:15 PM Response to Reply #229 |
233. So will a fetus. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 10:24 PM Response to Reply #233 |
240. It's not guaranteed that the fetus will kills its mother... |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 10:27 PM Response to Reply #240 |
242. It's not guaranteed it won't. And no, there is no "advance warning" every time. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 10:41 PM Response to Reply #242 |
251. Risk: It is guaranteed that the fetus will die... |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 10:45 PM Response to Reply #251 |
255. Risk: An adult woman's life is on the line and you want to discuss percentages? |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 10:49 PM Response to Reply #255 |
260. She chose to risk her life. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 10:52 PM Response to Reply #260 |
265. My contraception failed. You don't believe me. So I die. That about cover it? |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 10:59 PM Response to Reply #265 |
276. 1 in 10,000 risk? |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:01 PM Response to Reply #276 |
282. I developed toxemia. They attempted a Cesarean. I bled to death. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:17 PM Response to Reply #282 |
314. I vary between agnostic and atheist, you didn't die because of my religious beliefs. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:22 PM Response to Reply #314 |
321. So you're just a prude and a control freak? |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:37 PM Response to Reply #321 |
341. Not one bit at all, I'm consitent. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 02:22 AM Response to Reply #276 |
419. statistics mean nothing without a good source given |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 10:56 PM Response to Reply #260 |
271. No. She chose to have sex. Period. Nothing else. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 10:59 PM Response to Reply #271 |
278. If someone is unaware of their bodily functions... |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:02 PM Response to Reply #278 |
285. So I deserve to die because of my bodily functions. |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:07 PM Response to Reply #278 |
296. awareness doesn't equal consent |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 10:05 AM Response to Reply #278 |
644. If I have normal contacts with other people, then I risk every now and then catching colds, flu, etc |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 10:19 PM Response to Reply #229 |
237. By your reasoning, is she smoked she gave consent to the tumor. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 10:27 PM Response to Reply #237 |
241. True, but the whole matter is dependent upon both consent and consequence... |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 10:28 PM Response to Reply #241 |
243. Consequence. As in punishment/you made your bed/suffer bitch? |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 10:45 PM Response to Reply #243 |
256. No, consequence in the causality context, not in the punishment context... |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 10:49 PM Response to Reply #256 |
259. Cookies? Light switches? I'm talking about MY LIFE here. Who chooses? |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 10:51 PM Response to Reply #259 |
264. If someone makes that choice, it is there choice alone. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 10:53 PM Response to Reply #264 |
267. And if the rubber broke? What then? Do I deserve to die? |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 10:56 PM Response to Reply #267 |
270. I'm sorry, but if it broke, you are going to have to deal with nine months... |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 10:58 PM Response to Reply #270 |
274. So you just sentenced me to death because of a faulty product and your hangups about sex. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:01 PM Response to Reply #274 |
281. I don't care about how much sex you have... |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:03 PM Original message |
Of course you don't, I'm the one who dies, remember? |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:06 PM Response to Original message |
295. Killing a human fetus is fine with you, apparently. |
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WindRavenX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:08 PM Response to Reply #295 |
298. ROFL |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:11 PM Response to Reply #298 |
304. Oh, save this thread, honey. It doesn't get any better than this. |
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WindRavenX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:14 PM Response to Reply #304 |
309. seriously, this is pure GOLD |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:09 PM Response to Reply #295 |
301. Killing me is fine with you because I fucked a guy for fun, apparently. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:14 PM Response to Reply #301 |
308. Do you feel sorry for women who choose to have a child and die during childbirth? |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:17 PM Response to Reply #308 |
315. We're talking about my death, don't change the subject. You killed me. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:18 PM Response to Reply #315 |
318. I'd morn for any DUer. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:23 PM Response to Reply #318 |
322. No, actually, you've been arrested. My husband and motherless children just filed charges. |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 10:09 PM Response to Reply #195 |
219. what does that have to do with the right to control her body |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 10:21 PM Response to Reply #219 |
238. Good point about the driving, I have to think about that. |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 10:29 PM Response to Reply #238 |
244. when you drive, you risk injury at the hands of others |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:03 PM Response to Reply #244 |
288. If you drive, and someone hits your car, receiving medical treatment... |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:04 PM Response to Reply #288 |
290. Forget the car. I'm not driving, I was raped. Am I sentenced to death? |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:11 PM Response to Reply #290 |
303. No, because as I said before this is a matter of consent and consequence (or results.) |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:13 PM Response to Reply #303 |
307. I was raped and you think I lied about it. I bleed to death. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:15 PM Response to Reply #307 |
312. No, I have thought about this for a very long time... |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:18 PM Response to Reply #312 |
317. So, you're saying that it is ALWAYS up to me whether or not I choose to terminate my pregnancy? |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:24 PM Response to Reply #317 |
324. I can't tell when you consented or when you didn't... |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:27 PM Response to Reply #324 |
328. Oh, I can have an abortion but I should "feel bad". Wow, I've come a long way baby. |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:31 PM Response to Reply #328 |
332. no need to suicide yourself, just |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:33 PM Response to Reply #332 |
335. This is wonderful. I have never gotten one to go this far on DU before. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:39 PM Response to Reply #335 |
344. "One" what? |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:41 PM Response to Reply #344 |
346. Oh and telling me I should die because I fucked for fun is nice? |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:38 PM Response to Reply #328 |
343. Well, that's all your choice. You can choose to feel bad or not. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:43 PM Original message |
Yes, the scarlet letter S for slut was just tattooed on my forehead. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:45 PM Response to Original message |
351. You are just insulting me. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:49 PM Response to Reply #351 |
354. No, I'm not. I'm using the reason you gave me for okaying my right to choose. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 12:20 AM Response to Reply #354 |
373. You repeatedly insulted me, you implied I was a fundie... |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 12:25 AM Response to Reply #373 |
376. Okay, first we're talking about MY life here, and second I did no such thing. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 12:34 AM Response to Reply #376 |
382. You know, if you don't believe me, then you can look for yourself: |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 12:41 AM Response to Reply #382 |
385. Deleted message |
originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 12:48 AM Response to Reply #385 |
386. I would never vote to take away your right to choose. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 12:56 AM Response to Reply #386 |
387. You said you would force me to carry a fetus to term if I had unprotected sex, |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 12:57 AM Response to Reply #387 |
388. I'd hope you'd care enough about the child you created to do it... |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 01:00 AM Response to Reply #388 |
390. Here's one of your best: |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 01:18 AM Response to Reply #390 |
391. Yes, if a woman doesn't have an unethical abortion... |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 01:26 AM Response to Reply #391 |
392. An "unethical" abortion? ARE YOU KIDDING??? |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 01:36 AM Response to Reply #392 |
396. Please answer yes or no: |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 01:45 AM Response to Reply #396 |
402. I mourn the millions of sperm that are murdered by careless men every day. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 01:47 AM Response to Reply #402 |
404. What can you not answer the questions? |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 01:52 AM Response to Reply #404 |
406. You first: |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 02:03 AM Response to Reply #406 |
409. 1. No* |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 02:13 AM Response to Reply #409 |
412. Okay, let's break this down: |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 02:26 AM Response to Reply #412 |
421. Hey, that's a nice little trick you pulled, aren't you actually interested in quoting my answers? |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 02:34 AM Response to Reply #421 |
425. Are you legally blind? |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 03:10 AM Response to Reply #425 |
446. If a sperm is not combined with an egg, either through a sexual act or otherwise... |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 03:41 AM Response to Reply #446 |
485. If sperm is not stuck in a condom/hand/towel/whatever, it can fertilize an egg. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:10 AM Response to Reply #485 |
517. Not unless it is in close enough proximity to an egg to fertilize it. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 03:31 PM Response to Reply #425 |
670. nasty snark and you made a booboo! boohoo |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 03:09 AM Response to Reply #421 |
445. Yoo hoo! |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 02:29 AM Response to Reply #409 |
422. If a sperm is left to its own devices, in most cases it will fertilize an egg, develop until birth, |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 02:35 AM Response to Reply #422 |
426. Why thank you, I just had to retype the whole thing again. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 02:39 AM Response to Reply #426 |
429. hi, this is an amazing topic. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 02:50 AM Response to Reply #429 |
437. Yes, and it's such a simple concept. Why can't he get it? |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 02:52 AM Response to Reply #437 |
438. maybe |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 02:58 AM Response to Reply #438 |
441. Ooo, watch the potty mouth. It upsets him. |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 02:42 AM Response to Reply #406 |
432. One Of The Most Absurd And Ridiculously Twisted Illogical Return Arguments I've Ever Seen. |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:28 AM Response to Reply #432 |
545. Actually, the way this thread is going |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:39 AM Response to Reply #545 |
557. so this might actually be a picture of a cake, not a chicken embryo? |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:46 AM Response to Reply #557 |
565. Oh come on already. Quit acting like a complete fool... |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:51 AM Response to Reply #565 |
571. a "fucking cake"? OMG, does that mean we can expect muffins? |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:55 AM Response to Reply #571 |
576. not muffins, pfffft. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:56 AM Response to Reply #571 |
577. ROFL! You got a "fucking" out of him! |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:51 AM Response to Reply #557 |
572. Yes, it's a potential cake, and thus - a cake! |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:57 AM Response to Reply #572 |
579. Just watch the rapist so he doesn't throw it in front of the car. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:45 AM Response to Reply #545 |
563. Fortunately, not all of them are that confused. |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 02:16 AM Response to Reply #396 |
415. I'll answer your questions |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 10:23 AM Response to Reply #396 |
649. OK. answering your questions |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 10:13 AM Response to Reply #391 |
645. 'Aren't you even the slightest bit happy your mom chose not to abort you? ' |
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XanaDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 09:39 AM Response to Reply #324 |
641. You may not be a freeper... |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 02:26 AM Response to Reply #303 |
420. so an embryo concieved by accident rather than on purpose negatively is different? |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 10:30 PM Response to Reply #238 |
245. Only if she's "accidentally" impregnated? And how the fuck would you know? |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:05 PM Response to Reply #245 |
291. Bingo. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:08 PM Response to Reply #291 |
299. No, you've painted yourself into the same corner all dominionists always do. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:12 PM Response to Reply #299 |
305. No, I don't give a damn about how much sex someone has. Really. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:16 PM Response to Reply #305 |
313. I'm not the Virgin Mary. You just sentenced me to death because I had sex. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:18 PM Response to Reply #313 |
316. Really, I'm not OK with taking a human life because of convenience. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:20 PM Response to Reply #316 |
320. Convenience? I just bled to death and you talk about convenience? |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:25 PM Response to Reply #320 |
325. You made the choice I didn't. |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:29 PM Response to Reply #325 |
329. so how does society determine which abortions to make one feel bad about? |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:32 PM Response to Reply #329 |
334. Society can show to women through logic and science, that a totally unnecessary abortion... |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:37 PM Response to Reply #334 |
342. how is society to do that through logic? You haven't. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:41 PM Response to Reply #342 |
347. A woman has unprotected sex because she wants a baby, isn't she choosing to have a child? |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:46 PM Response to Reply #347 |
352. where did you limit it to unprotected sex? Or to those who want a baby? |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:58 PM Response to Reply #352 |
360. I don't think you understood my response. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 12:02 AM Response to Reply #360 |
361. No |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 12:03 AM Response to Reply #361 |
363. Can anyone choose to have a child? |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 12:03 AM Response to Reply #363 |
364. They do it every day. |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 12:08 AM Response to Reply #360 |
368. I understood your response, I just thought it was inaccurate and probably irrelevant |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:52 PM Response to Reply #347 |
357. You tell me. |
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HuskiesHowls (582 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:55 PM Response to Reply #334 |
358. Wrong!!!! |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 12:02 AM Response to Reply #358 |
362. Well, I'm obviously not a typical person who's against abortion. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 12:05 AM Response to Reply #362 |
365. So only the religious people who think they have the right to force me to have a kid are irrational? |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 02:30 AM Response to Reply #334 |
424. what defines a "totally unnecessary abortion"? |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 03:32 AM Response to Reply #424 |
473. I hope you realize that doesn't make any sense whatsoever: |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 03:38 AM Response to Reply #473 |
480. I'll write slowly this time. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:29 PM Response to Reply #325 |
331. No.YOU made the choice, you forced me to carry the fetus against my will. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:34 PM Response to Reply #331 |
337. I did no such thing, come back to reality. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:40 PM Response to Reply #337 |
345. Some of us reality based women want to be able to make our own life and death choices. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:43 PM Response to Reply #345 |
349. You know, as I have explained before... |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:51 PM Response to Reply #349 |
356. How many people are using your computer? |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 12:12 AM Response to Reply #356 |
370. You don't seem willing to think, so I can't see how this is useful.. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 12:26 AM Response to Reply #370 |
377. Dude, you told me I should die for having unprotected sex. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 05:46 AM Response to Reply #356 |
627. odd, isn't it? |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 12:28 AM Response to Reply #337 |
380. ! |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:25 PM Response to Reply #316 |
326. I don't believe it's a human life |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:29 PM Response to Reply #326 |
330. It's not convenience, is it? |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:31 PM Response to Reply #330 |
333. So you decide which women get to die based on which ones you believe? |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:36 PM Response to Reply #333 |
340. No, I had absolutely nothing to do with your death. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:47 PM Response to Reply #340 |
353. If you take away my right to choose, you're sentencing me to death. |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:33 PM Response to Reply #330 |
336. I'll give you a 9.9 on your logical gymnastics |
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WindRavenX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:24 PM Response to Reply #291 |
323. dude, cut the act |
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WindRavenX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 10:34 PM Response to Reply #238 |
248. here's a clue: It's not your body so shut the hell up |
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mainegreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 09:02 PM Response to Original message |
168. Pro-Choice, Anti-Death Penalty, Pro-Assisted Suicide. |
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lala_rawraw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 09:14 PM Response to Original message |
174. that appears to confuse to very different things... |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 09:15 PM Response to Original message |
176. Very simple: I believe everyone should have autonomy over their OWN body - hence |
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Gregory_Wonderwheel (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 09:24 PM Response to Original message |
178. Not only are apples not oranges, they are not chickens either. |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 09:31 PM Response to Reply #178 |
181. welcome to DU |
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MockSwede (579 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 02:22 PM Response to Reply #178 |
658. Welcome |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 09:30 PM Response to Original message |
179. The way you worded your entire post seems to turn off a lot of people. |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 09:39 PM Response to Original message |
184. I dunno. How can you be an idiot but function in society? |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 09:55 PM Response to Reply #184 |
194. That's what I was wondering. |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 03:00 PM Response to Reply #194 |
667. Typical snide remarks |
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GreenPartyVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 09:54 PM Response to Original message |
193. Simple. It's not about the punishment of the guily. It's about |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 09:55 PM Response to Original message |
196. I have a problem with people killing people for revenge or vengeance, which is all |
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Beelzebud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 09:58 PM Response to Original message |
200. Pro Choice is not pro abortian, it's for the safety of the mother should she NEED an abortion. |
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Connonym (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 10:09 PM Response to Original message |
218. You ask a valid question |
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Quixote1818 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 10:11 PM Response to Original message |
226. The death penalty is the State killing people |
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Nikia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 10:11 PM Response to Original message |
227. In the case of abortion, there are two conflicting sets of rights |
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rpgamerd00d (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 10:40 PM Response to Original message |
250. I am Pro Choice and pro Death Penalty. |
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WindRavenX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 10:42 PM Response to Reply #250 |
252. There is absolutely no "deterrent" effect of the DP |
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rpgamerd00d (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 10:47 PM Response to Reply #252 |
257. 100% bullshit. |
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WindRavenX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 10:50 PM Response to Reply #257 |
261. Super-- empirical data shows the exact opposite of what you're saying |
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rpgamerd00d (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 10:51 PM Response to Reply #261 |
263. Pfft, that data is so horribly flawed. |
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WindRavenX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 10:53 PM Response to Reply #263 |
266. But you're claiming that there IS a correlation between DP and crime rate |
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rpgamerd00d (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:00 PM Response to Reply #266 |
280. Incorrect. |
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WindRavenX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:03 PM Response to Reply #280 |
287. Then why are you claiming the DP prevents people from committing acts of murder? |
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rpgamerd00d (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:07 PM Response to Reply #287 |
297. Because it prevents me from doing it, therefore there is a non-0 number of people it deters. |
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WindRavenX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:11 PM Response to Reply #297 |
302. ...do you even read what you're posting? |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:09 PM Response to Reply #287 |
300. it's just that the correlation is covered up by invisible factors in all the years |
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peacebaby3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 02:06 AM Response to Reply #263 |
411. Try this if you think the other is so wrong. This is the murder rate from |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 10:51 PM Response to Reply #257 |
262. You really shouldn't post the words "100% Bullshit" & "living proof of it" at the same time. |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 10:57 PM Response to Reply #257 |
273. so you'd consider killing people if the only punishment were life in prison |
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Kerrytravelers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:01 PM Response to Reply #257 |
283. So, you're non-violent, but the reason you don't kill people is because you'd get the death penalty? |
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rpgamerd00d (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:05 PM Response to Reply #283 |
292. All I said was that the DP deters me bigtime. |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:12 PM Response to Reply #292 |
306. what keeps you from stealing? |
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Kerrytravelers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:26 PM Response to Reply #292 |
327. And you are someone who is probably educated and not violent by nature. |
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RetroLounge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:35 PM Response to Reply #292 |
339. The DP keeps you from shoplifting? |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 12:05 AM Response to Reply #339 |
366. The death penalty as punishment for everything! |
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Liberal Veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 10:21 AM Response to Reply #292 |
648. I'm fascinated by that statement. |
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LynnTheDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:06 PM Response to Reply #257 |
293. America is the only first-world nation that has the DP. So Canada, |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 03:42 AM Response to Reply #257 |
487. That is really lame |
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Liberal Veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 10:15 AM Response to Reply #257 |
647. Gee....so you are saying you would be a murderer but for DP? |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 10:54 PM Response to Reply #250 |
269. hogwash |
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WindRavenX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 10:56 PM Response to Reply #269 |
272. conviction seems to be code for... |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:00 PM Response to Reply #272 |
279. yeah, I think that covers it |
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GreenEyedLefty (708 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 10:58 PM Response to Original message |
275. I'll post then read the replies... |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:01 PM Response to Reply #275 |
284. welcome to DU |
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GreenEyedLefty (708 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:04 PM Response to Reply #284 |
289. Thank you... |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:14 PM Response to Reply #289 |
310. feel free to jump in |
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Nevernose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:20 PM Response to Reply #275 |
319. And out of 275+ posts |
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Erika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 12:27 AM Response to Reply #319 |
378. So many of the GOP are against even birth control |
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Strelnikov_ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 01:43 AM Response to Reply #275 |
401. Pro-Choice For Reasons Similar To Yours |
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HuskiesHowls (582 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 10:59 PM Response to Original message |
277. For a rather long and erudite study on the history of abortion |
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Arugula Latte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:14 PM Response to Original message |
311. Wow, if you think only GUILTY people get the death penalty, you are naive beyond words. |
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WindRavenX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:34 PM Response to Original message |
338. that's it, no thread is ever gonna top this one |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 12:59 AM Response to Reply #338 |
389. A circumcised sting-ray on top of mount hood, which smokes a pack a day? |
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Lipton64 (140 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:43 PM Response to Original message |
348. I've frequently asked pro-choice friends of mine the same question.... |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:44 PM Response to Original message |
350. Over 300 responses, and not one recommendation... |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:50 PM Response to Reply #350 |
355. gotta agree with you there n/t |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 11:58 PM Response to Original message |
359. Actually, what I wondered was... |
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Dastard Stepchild (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 12:10 AM Response to Original message |
369. I suppose because I could theoretically make the argument... |
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HuskiesHowls (582 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 12:15 AM Response to Original message |
371. Actually, its quite easy. |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 12:19 AM Response to Original message |
372. Though I Think It's Far More Severe To Kill With The DP, I Also Agree That Abortion Terminates Life. |
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Erika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 12:22 AM Response to Original message |
374. 14th century rulers considered masturbating murder |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 01:28 AM Response to Reply #374 |
393. We haven't come that far, Ericka: |
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Erika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 01:33 AM Response to Reply #393 |
394. What remarks did the sperm of the 14th Cen. masturbators have? |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 01:39 AM Response to Reply #394 |
397. ... |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 01:46 AM Response to Reply #397 |
403. But you're responsible for the deaths of millions of babies that could have been! |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 01:49 AM Response to Reply #403 |
405. Yeah, haha! |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 01:54 AM Response to Reply #405 |
407. What? I'm using your logic. Why are you so angry? |
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Erika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 02:06 AM Response to Reply #405 |
410. Quit being insensitive to human life |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 02:15 AM Response to Reply #410 |
413. Ding Ding Ding |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 01:40 AM Response to Reply #394 |
398. GOOD ANSWER! |
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liberalpragmatist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 01:36 AM Response to Original message |
395. A better analogy would be abortion and euthanasia |
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Erika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 01:41 AM Response to Reply #395 |
399. Yeah, my biggest desire is to expire in peace |
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Malikshah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 01:41 AM Response to Original message |
400. Methinks the OP doth protest too much.. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 01:56 AM Response to Reply #400 |
408. "Get thee to a trollery!" is right. |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 02:30 AM Response to Original message |
423. 1. Innocent people are sometimes put to death via the Death Penalty |
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Erika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 02:37 AM Response to Reply #423 |
427. You got the picture |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:47 AM Response to Original message |
567. So you believe that, at the moment of conception, sperm & egg magically transmogrify instantly into |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 10:41 AM Response to Reply #567 |
652. The op clarified this to be 13+ weeks. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 06:29 PM Response to Reply #652 |
680. Then I think the OP should research as to when, exactly, the VAST MAJORITY of abortions |
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JNelson6563 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 08:26 AM Response to Original message |
635. We kill people to teach them killing's wrong |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 09:13 AM Response to Original message |
640. Bodily autonomy |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 09:44 AM Response to Original message |
642. That's the point Va. Governer Tim Kaine tried to make during the 2005 campaign. |
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Liberal Veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 10:13 AM Response to Original message |
646. Civilized societies don't use the death penalty. |
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leesa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 10:31 AM Response to Original message |
650. Because a fetus isn't viable. |
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Doctor_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 12:19 PM Response to Original message |
654. One is state-sactioned murder. The other is a PRIVATE matter |
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Gregorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 01:34 PM Response to Original message |
655. Don't you mean "suicide"? |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 01:39 PM Response to Original message |
656. Are you equating a fetus to a human being who knows life/fear/pain? |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 03:48 PM Response to Reply #656 |
673. 'I do think that abortion means killing a living being.' |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:21 PM Response to Reply #673 |
677. Thanks BB. Plants are "living and innocent" too, |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-01-07 11:21 PM Response to Reply #677 |
691. Hi mm |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-02-07 12:00 AM Response to Reply #691 |
692. Happy New Year to you as well! |
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MockSwede (579 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 02:17 PM Response to Original message |
657. No Brawl |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 02:43 PM Response to Reply #657 |
661. DP vs. Abortion |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 02:48 PM Response to Reply #661 |
662. welcome to DU, madspirit |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 03:45 PM Response to Reply #661 |
671. Welcome to DU Madspirit and I feel as you do |
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Klukie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 02:30 PM Response to Original message |
660. In order..... |
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Alameda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 02:59 PM Response to Reply #660 |
665. life, what kind of life? |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 03:47 PM Response to Reply #665 |
672. Exactly. Of course it is life, but not a human being. |
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Klukie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 10:48 PM Response to Reply #665 |
684. A human life/or a living cell |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 02:50 PM Response to Original message |
663. Completely different issues |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 02:52 PM Response to Original message |
664. "I do think that abortion means killing a living being " |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 03:20 PM Response to Reply #664 |
669. "I do think that abortion means killing a living being" |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:26 PM Response to Reply #669 |
678. We agree |
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Proud2BAmurkin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 02:59 PM Response to Original message |
666. You can morally be pro choice AND think abortion is murder |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:07 PM Response to Reply #666 |
676. Very succint and thank you. |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 04:27 PM Response to Original message |
679. Because you're talking about two entirely different issues. |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 07:47 PM Response to Original message |
683. LOL IBTL!!!!!1111 |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-01-07 02:53 PM Response to Reply #683 |
688. That's a cute picture! |
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mdmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-01-07 02:44 PM Response to Original message |
687. The culture of life opposes both |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-01-07 03:54 PM Response to Original message |
689. DUH? Because pro-choice doesn't equal pro-abortion? |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-01-07 03:56 PM Response to Original message |
690. Because the two are totally unconnected? |
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