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rpgamerd00d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 10:11 PM
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OK, I have to admit it... I totally, 100% Support Bush
... when he said everything was his fault.

Isn't that an admission of incompetence and grounds for Impeachment?
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 10:14 PM
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1. incompetence not grounds for impeachment
not a high crime of misdemeanor.
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rpgamerd00d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 10:14 PM
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2. Couldn't the Dems make it grounds with a bill or something?
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Kelly Rupert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 10:17 PM
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7. That would be unconstitutional.
Edited on Wed Jan-10-07 10:19 PM by Kelly Rupert
They'd have to make his actions criminal to fall under "high crimes and misdemeanors." It would be a retroactive, or ex post facto law, which are forbidden by the Constitution. Moreover, it would amount to illegalizing "making mistakes," which makes absolutely no sense.

They could also try amending the Constitution. But that would be realistically impossible.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 10:17 PM
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9. No, it would take a Constitutional amendment.
The Constitution lays out narrow rules for impeachment. A bill can't change the Constitution.
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cwydro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 10:15 PM
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3. Well hell.
it should be.
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Kelly Rupert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 10:15 PM
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4. Since when are mistakes criminal? n/t
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rpgamerd00d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 10:15 PM
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6. When they are pre-meditated?
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 10:17 PM
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8. pre-meditated means not a mistake.
Mistakes are generally thought to not be intentional. You are perhaps referring to criminal negligence?
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rpgamerd00d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 10:18 PM
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12. Yes, thats it! Criminal Negligence
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 10:20 PM
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15. Yeah that could work.
But I insist that the mess there is and was deliberate.
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Kelly Rupert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 10:21 PM
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17. Won't fly either.
Edited on Wed Jan-10-07 10:22 PM by Kelly Rupert
That's just...incorrect. Negligence refers to a failure to consider obvious consequences of action at the moment of that action--something very different than constructing policy around incorrect assumptions.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 07:29 AM
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20. "failure to consider obvious consequences of action"
Actually that fits exactly one of the plausible explanations for the actions of our government immediately after we toppled the Hussein regime. The other explanation that makes sense is that we deliberately did everything we possibly could to ensure that chaos and civil war would take hold.

The other grounds for impeachment are concerned with the deliberate effort to deceive congress and the american people about the threat posed by the Iraqi regime in order to fraudulently justify the war.

And then of course there is LIHOP.
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Kelly Rupert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 10:17 PM
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10. He admitted to deliberately failing to predict the number of troops required?
I must have missed that part.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 10:15 PM
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5. It's nice of him to take responsibility for something in six years. - n/t
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bluewave Donating Member (385 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 10:18 PM
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11. If incompetence were grounds for impeachment, half of congress would be at risk
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jakem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 10:20 PM
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16. What about mistakes...
that are made despite ignoring repeated and overt advise to the contrary?

What about mistakes that are made after supressing the facts of the situation?
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Kelly Rupert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 10:24 PM
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18. With any policy decision,
Edited on Wed Jan-10-07 10:24 PM by Kelly Rupert
there is going to be "advice to the contrary," and there are going to be facts that prop up your case and facts that hurt it. Simply making the wrong decisions is not a criminal act. Bad policy is a case for electoral defeat. It is not a case for impeachment.
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roamer65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 10:18 PM
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13. Nah, you only get impeached for blow jobs.
:sarcasm:
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rpgamerd00d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 10:20 PM
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14. LOL!
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 10:25 PM
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19. I believe he said "If mistakes were made"
I don't know if that qualifies as an admission of fault.
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