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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 10:32 PM
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There Is Blood on the Wire - IRAN!
Edited on Wed Jan-10-07 10:36 PM by seemslikeadream
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFowNFvmUxw

I've been waiting for something to happen
For a week or a month or a year
With the blood in the ink of the headlines
And the sound of the crowd in my ear
You might ask what it takes to remember
When you know that youve seen it before
Where a government lies to a people

And a country is drifting to war

And theres a shadow on the faces
Of the men who send the guns
To the wars that are fought in places
Where their business interest runs

On the radio talk shows and the t.v.
You hear one thing again and again
How the u.s.a. stands for freedom
And we come to the aid of a friend
But who are the ones that we call our friends--
These governments killing their own?
Or the people who finally can't take any more
And they pick up a gun or a brick or a stone
There are lives in the balance
There are people under fire
There are children at the cannons
And there is blood on the wire

Theres a shadow on the faces
Of the men who fan the flames
Of the wars that are fought in places
Where we cant even say the names

They sell us the president the same way
They sell us our clothes and our cars
They sell us every thing from youth to religion
The same time they sell us our wars
I want to know who the men in the shadows are
I want to hear somebody asking them why
They can be counted on to tell us who our enemies are
But they're never the ones to fight or to die
And there are lives in the balance
There are people under fire
There are children at the cannons
And there is blood on the wire


Bush's Inconceivable Interest in Iran Sat Apr-01-06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=819437

Senior U.S. Officials “Want to Hit Iran” Tue Apr-04-06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=844418

Larisa Alexandrovna: CHENEY TAPS IRANIAN ARMS DEALER FOR IRAN TALKS Thu Apr-20-06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=977234

Seymour Hersh said something startling about Rumsfeld on Democracy Now Fri Aug-18-06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=1936421

So former DLC, PNAC member Abram Shulsky feeding Cheney info on Iran?Sat Aug-19-06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=1944614

Fuck. Iran has started "war games." Escalation may only be expected.Sun Aug-20-06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=1949812

Attack on Iran is Coming Sun Aug-27-06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=1993284

"Grave threat". Yes, it's deja vu all over again. Thu Aug-31-06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2022620

UN attacks US nuclear report on Iran erroneous misleading unsubstantiated Sun Sep-17-06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2159951

We Are Conducting Military Operations Inside Iran Right Now Tue Sep-19-06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2168218

Navy told: Prepare to blockade Iran by Oct 1 Mon Sep-18-06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2161779

Pentagon Iran Office Mimics Former Iraq Office Wed Sep-20-06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2179484

“This is the largest massing of military power in the region, and it is gathering for a reason.” Sat Nov-18-06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2753952

Seymour Hersh: Cheney Says 'Whether Or Not Dems Win-NO STOPPING Military Option With Iran' Sun Nov-19-06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2757350

Does anyone still believe the US will launch a full scale invasion of Iran? Mon Dec-04-06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2856177

Saudi clerics rally support for Sunnis and Saudi ambassador Abruptly ResignsTue Dec-12-06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2902643

Act III in a Tragedy of Many Parts - The US Occupation of Iraq Sun Dec-17-06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2935498

Century Foundation Iran White Paper Series Fundamentalists, Pragmatists and the Rights of the Nation Tue Dec-19-06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2948146

Oh shit Tue Dec-19-06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2944423

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Jcrowley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 10:35 PM
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1. Seeing it as it is
and documenting it as well

K&R
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doublethink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 10:35 PM
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2. K&R.
Peace. :kick:
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 10:36 PM
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3. Kick n/t
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 10:37 PM
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4. I for one will not be sleeping well tonight.
Iran is now double timing "the bomb" if they weren't already.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 10:37 PM
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5. Isn't history grand as it unfolds?
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 10:38 PM
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6. war is already opened on four fronts: Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, and Iran.
http://www.counterpunch.org/roberts01082007.html

....

Neoconservatives have called for World War IV against Islam. In Commentary magazine Norman Podhoretz called for the cultural genocide of Islamic peoples. The war is already opened on four fronts: Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, and Iran.

The Bush administration has used its Ethiopian proxies to overthrow the Somalian Muslims who overthrew the warlords who drove the US from Somalia. The US Navy and US intelligence are actively engaged with the Ethiopian troops in efforts to hunt down and capture or kill the Somalian Muslims. US Embasy spokesman Robert Kerr in Nairobi said that the US has the right to pursue Somalia's Islamists as part of the war on terror.

For at least a year the Bush administration has been fomenting and financing terrorist groups within Iran. Seymour Hersh and former CIA officials have exposed the Bush administration's support of ethnic-minority groups within Iran that are on the US State Department's list of terrorist organizations. Last April US Representative Dennis Kucinich wrote a detailed letter to President Bush about US interference in Iran's internal affairs. He received no reply.
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 10:38 PM
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7. Gotta love you SLAD! knr. ....n/t
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 10:54 AM
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13. jah bless i and i
:hi:
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 10:42 PM
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8. It all comes down to this: Do we stop them or not?
Otherwise, Iran will be bombed. That's been clear for a long time, and getting clearer by the day to anyone who's been paying attention.

I'm sorry if anyone is shocked. Did you really think that the bush* cabal had any restraint?

sw
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 11:01 PM
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9. Iran
Edited on Wed Jan-10-07 11:09 PM by seemslikeadream
Former CIA Officer Speculates on Folly of Attacking Iran
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=3067286

The Surge: 9,000 now, 10,000 on alert in Kuwait? WTF? (Iran bombing in the works?)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=3051862

Iranian missles & the US Navy in the Gulf
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=3039044

CentCom Expected to Shift Focus to Threat From Iran
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=3057187

U.S. air strikes against Iran in 2007/08 as all-but-a-done deal.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=3044319

Second U.S. carrier group to deploy to Gulf: sources
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=3037188

Iran could bloody our nose if Bush attacks. A look at Iranian missiles
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=3052957

Randi Rhodes - Cheney has sent orders to Stratcom - if terrorism, attack Iran...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=3052573

George W. Bush Is Going To Bomb Iran
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=3022620

Could the surge be really oriented as a back up plan for Israel's attack on Iran?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=3059883

The Time May Have Come - The Iran We Cannot Avoid - Michael Ledeen
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=3047465

Any hard evidence that 'the surge' is related to an attack on Iran?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=3045865

Useful maps of Iran. Please post them here for reference.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=3059824
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 11:11 PM
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10. .
"From my mother's sleep I fell into the State,

And I hunched in its belly until my wet fur froze.

Six miles from earth, loosed from its dream of life,

I woke to black flak and the nightmare fighters.

When I died they washed me out of the turret with a hose."

The Death of the Ball Turret Gunner
by Randall Jarrell (first published in 1945)

>>><<<



"Ten Things I Learned From the Pentagon's Prayer Team"
by Jeff Sharlet
http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/46262/

"America's Holy Warriors"
by Chris Hedges
http://www.commondreams.org/cgi-bin/print.cgi?file=/views06/0103-59.htm


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Jcrowley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 11:24 PM
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11. O-Plan 1002
The vast majority of Iran's crude oil reserves are located in giant onshore fields in the southwestern Khuzestan region near the Iraqi border and the Persian Gulf. Iran has 32 producing oil fields, of which 25 are onshore and 7 offshore. Major onshore fields include the following: Ahwaz-Asmari (700,000 bbl/d); Bangestan (around 245,000 bbl/d current production, with plans to increase to 550,000 bbl/d), Marun (520,000 bbl/d), Gachsaran (560,000 bbl/d), Agha Jari (200,000 bbl/d), Karanj-Parsi (200,000 bbl/d); Rag-e-Safid (180,000 bbl/d); Bibi Hakimeh (130,000 bbl/d), and Pazanan (70,000 bbl/d). Major offshore fields include: Dorood (130,000 bbl/d); Salman (130,000 bbl/d); Abuzar (125,000 bbl/d); Sirri A&E (95,000 bbl/d); and Soroush/Nowruz (60,000 bbl/d).

According to the Oil and Gas Journal (1/1/04), Iran holds 125.8 billion barrels of proven oil reserves, roughly 10% of the world's total, up from 90 billion barrels in 2003. In October 1999, Iran announced that it had made its biggest oil discovery in 30 years, a giant onshore field called Azadegan located in the southwestern province of Khuzestan, a few miles east of the border with Iraq. Reportedly, the Azadegan field contains proven crude oil reserves of 26 billion barrels. In July 2004, Iran's oil minister stated that the country's proven oil reserves had increased again, to 132 billion barrels, following new discoveries in the Kushk and Hosseineih fields in Khuzestan province.

Iran's energy generation capacity has risen to about 26,000 megawatts. The share of Khuzestan in total amount of energy produced in the country was 3,800 mega watts. The figure is expected to increase following operationing of three dams in Khuzestan province. Water resources are unevenly spread; 30 percent of surface water resources are concentrated in one province (Khuzestan), while many other populated provinces fully exploit their scarce available resources.

Following the downfall of the Shah, the new government in Iran used the army and other military forces to put down the movements of national minorities in Kurdistan, Turkman Sahra and the Arabs of Khuzestan province.

The main thrust of Iraq's attack on 22 September 1980, was in the south, where five armored and mechanized divisions invaded Khuzestan on two axes, one crossing over the Shatt al Arab near Basra, which led to the siege and eventual occupation of Khorramshahr, and the second heading for Susangerd, which had Ahvaz, the major military base in Khuzestan, as its objective. Iraqi armored units easily crossed the Shatt al Arab waterway and entered the Iranian province of Khuzestan. Dehloran and several other towns were targeted and were rapidly occupied to prevent reinforcement from Bakhtaran and from Tehran. By mid-October 1980, a full division advanced through Khuzestan headed for Khorramshahr and Abadan and the strategic oil fields nearby. Other divisions headed toward Ahvaz, the provincial capital and site of an air base. Supported by heavy artillery fire, the troops made a rapid and significant advance--almost eighty kilometers in the first few days. In the battle for Dezful in Khuzestan, where a major air base is located, the local Iranian army commander requested air support in order to avoid a defeat. President Bani Sadr, therefore, authorized the release from jail of many pilots, some of whom were suspected of still being loyal to the shah. With the increased use of the Iranian air force, the Iraqi progress was somewhat curtailed.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/oplan-1002.htm
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 11:30 PM
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12. Steny Hoyer: Use of Force Against IRAN On the Table
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 12:20 PM
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14. The President's intentions towards Iran need much more attention
http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2007/01/presidents-intentions-towards-iran.html

Thursday, January 11, 2007
The President's intentions towards Iran need much more attention

(updated below)

Iraq continues to receive the overwhelming bulk of attention in the media and among political analysts. But the fate of Iraq, tragically, is all but sealed -- the President will send more troops and order them to be increasingly brutal and indiscriminate, and they will stay through at least the end of his presidency. That is just a fact. The far more attention-demanding issue now is what the President's intentions are with regard to Iran.

As Think Progress notes, the White House took multiple steps yesterday to elevate dramatically the threat rhetoric against Iran. Bush included what The New York Times described as “some of his sharpest words of warning to Iran” yet. But those words could really be described more accurately not as “threats” but as a declaration of war.

He accused the Iranian government of “providing material support for attacks on American troops” and vowed to “seek out and destroy the networks providing advanced weaponry and training to our enemies.” But those networks are located in Iran, which means that search and destroy missions on such networks would necessarily include some incursion into Iranian territory, whether by air or ground.

Hours before the speech, the White House released a Powerpoint presentation with details about the president’s new policy. “Increase operations against Iranian actors” was listed in the “Key Tactical Shifts” section. As The New York Times reported: “One senior administration official said this evening that the omission of the usual wording about seeking a diplomatic solution ‘was not accidental.’”

But these were merely the latest in a series of plainly significant events over the last several weeks that, taken alone, are each noteworthy themselves, but when viewed as a whole unmistakably signal a deliberate escalation of tensions with Iran by both the U.S. and Israel:
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 05:25 PM
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15. A way of determining Bush's intentions in Iran is Oman.
In his book "Sorrows of Empire" Chalmers Johnson points out that there will be a buildup in Oman before a thrust to Iran.
Unfortunately I don't have access to my files on this. I'll root around for some more info.

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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 05:39 PM
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16. I have a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach
I feel like we're spiraling out of control.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 06:59 PM
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17. Thanks for the links! You might want to add this new one.
The Crazies are trying to goad Iran into war the same way we goaded Japan in WWII.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x3099737

:hi:
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 07:03 PM
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18. Is he going to pull this off right under Dem noses?
I know Biden and Kucinich have publicly stated they are aware. Any other Dems? This is fucking scary!
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