ABU GHRAIB IS CLOSING

[kpete]

ABU GHRAIB IS CLOSING
by rsantos17
Thu Mar 09, 2006 at 10:47:43 AM PDT
http://www.sky.com/...

Evidently it's shutting down and the prisoners are being spread out throughout the country. But is this nothing more than (a long overdue PR move)? Is there any reason to think that this will change the way prisoners are being treated? It will probably just make it harder for us to learn where these people are being held.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/3/9/124744/7072
http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30200-1214836,00.html

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US says to close Abu Ghraib prison By Alastair Macdonald

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - The U.S. military will close Abu Ghraib prison, probably within three months, and transfer some 4,500 prisoners to other jails in Iraq, a military spokesman said on Thursday.

The prison in western Baghdad was a torture center under Saddam Hussein before photographs of American soldiers abusing Iraqis there in 2003 gave it a new notoriety and made it a touchstone for Arab and Muslim rage over the U.S. occupation.

"We will transfer operations from Abu Ghraib to the new Camp Cropper once construction is completed there," Lieutenant Colonel Keir-Kevin Curry told Reuters.

"No precise dates have been set, but the plan is to accomplish this within the next two to three months," said Curry, the spokesman for U.S. detention operations in Iraq.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/iraq_abughraib_dc

[Pithy Cherub]

1. 1 down. Thousands to go before restoring honor and dignity to America.

[Norquist Nemesis]

2. Camp Cropper?

need more info on this one...off to search

[Norquist Nemesis]

3. Oh, God. Trading a Saddam symbol of abuse for a U.S. made one

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/15/politics/15ABUS.html?ex=1399953600&en=d35ca7592586ee26&ei=5007&partner=USERLAND

Earlier Jail Seen as Incubator for Abuses in Iraq
By DOUGLAS JEHL

Published: May 15, 2004


ASHINGTON, May 14 — An American-run detention center outside Baghdad known as Camp Cropper was reportedly the site of numerous abuses of Iraqi prisoners several months before the mistreatment of prisoners unfolded last fall at Abu Ghraib prison, according to documents and interviews.

The detention facility, on the outskirts of Baghdad International Airport, appears to have served as an incubator for the acts of humiliation that were inflicted months later on Iraqi prisoners at Abu Ghraib. At both sites, the mistreatment has been linked to interrogations overseen by the 205th Military Intelligence Brigade, based in Wiesbaden, Germany

[WePurrsevere]

5. So in the White House's newest attempt to put lipstick on a pig...

prisoners will be moved from an old fashioned torture prison to a new & improved state of the art torture prison. Oh yeah.. well that makes it soooo much better. :sarcasm:

[Norquist Nemesis]

7. The NYT article is about a year old

but I'm sure the Iraqi's have a longer attention span than most of the people in this country.

[WePurrsevere]

10. True... that wouldn't take much though. n/t

[bullimiami]

4. sure we 'wont' torture them somewhere else.

[Arkansas Granny]

6. If I remember correctly, Bush wanted to close Abu Ghraib right

after the prisoner abuse scandal and tear it down, but the Iraqis opposed him on that. I don't see that moving them to another prison is going to help the Iraqis. Maybe it's just an attempt to separate the US from the abuses that occurred there.

[FreedomAngel82]

8. It's nothing but a PR deal

[dancingme]

9. Send Ken Lay there

to serve his time

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

11. Not really "closing" per se

...just relocating to more advanced facilities elsewhere.

It doesn't stop, it just moves around a bit.

[Ksec]

12. Moving to new torture facilities.

And adding a few more billion going to Iraq while theyre cutting American schools , food to the poor and healthcare.

Whatever happened to that thing where theyll be funding themselves with all that oil money?

[maveric]

13. And reopening in their NEW LOCATION.

Different building. Same old shit.

[Minnesota Libra]

14. When and IF it closes we better start looking for the next one nt

[Disturbed]

17. Robert Fisk: The Ugly Truth of Camp Cropper

Robert Fisk: The Ugly Truth of Camp Cropper

"The makeshift jail is called Camp Cropper and there have already been two attempted ... Yesterday, Amnesty was forbidden permission to visit Camp Cropper. ..."
www.counterpunch.org/fisk07242003.html

[Swamp Rat]

15. Was Camp Cropper built by Halliburton?

Things could get WORSE for the Iraqi hostages held in Abu Ghraib, if that is possible.

[flvegan]

16. Abu Ghraib is probably obsolete for the torture methods

desired. The "new Camp Cropper" is probably state of the art, and furnished with the finest in methodical torture gear.

[Solly Mack]

18. Just means they're taking the exact same operation

and spreading it to other prisons - who operate the exact same way....only now when you hear of prison abuse and torture - you won't hear "Abu Ghraib" and instead of instantly shuddering because of the well deserved negative associations with the name "Abu Ghraib", we'll get a whole new prison name to learn - and shudder to

Bucca doesn't have the same effect as Abu Ghraib even though torture and abuse took place at Bucca...even Cropper has had it's cases of abuse - but since it's not a name most people associate with the torture in Iraq, most people can read the name and not flinch.

That's all about to change.

Cropper is NOT new, btw - they're lying when they claim it is - oh, they might have a newER prison in a bigger, more tucked away, location, but Camp Cropper is NOT new and they have been holding prisoners since it's been around...

The Ugly Truth about Camp Cropper
http://www.counterpunch.org/fisk07242003.html


http://www.answers.com/topic/camp-cropper

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