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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-07-06 12:30 AM
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Children In SUVs Have Similar Injury Risks To Children In Passenger Cars
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=35805

PartNew research from The Children's Hospital of Philadelphia shows that children riding in SUVs have similar injury risks to children who ride in passenger cars. The study, published today in the journal Pediatrics, found that an SUV's increased risk of rolling over during a crash offset the safety benefits associated with larger, heavier-weight vehicles.

The study, part of an ongoing research collaboration of Children's Hospital and State Farm Insurance Companies, looked at crashes reported to State Farm involving 3,933 child occupants between the ages of 0 and 15 years who were in either SUVs or passenger cars that were model year 1998 or newer. Rollover contributes significantly to risk of injury in both vehicle types and occurred twice as frequently in SUVs. Children involved in rollover crashes were three times more likely to be injured than children in non-rollovers.

Children who were not properly restrained in a car seat, booster seat or seatbelt during an SUV rollover were at a 25-fold greater risk for injury as compared to appropriately restrained children. Nearly half of the unrestrained children in these crashes (41 percent) suffered a serious injury versus only 3 percent of appropriately restrained children in SUVs. Overall, injury risk for appropriately restrained children in passenger cars is less than 2 percent.

"SUVs are becoming more popular as family vehicles because they can accommodate multiple child safety seats and their larger size may lead parents to believe SUVs are safer than passenger cars," said Dennis Durbin, MD, M.S.C.E., an emergency physician and clinical epidemiologist at Children's Hospital, and co-author on the study. "However, people who use an SUV as their family vehicle should know that SUVs do not provide superior protection for child occupants and that age- and size -appropriate restraints and rear seating for children under 13 years are critically important because of the increased risk of a rollover crash."

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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-07-06 01:11 AM
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1. With twenty years of rollovers you'd think they'd have learned by now.
Are they soccer moms, or sucker moms?



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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-07-06 01:06 PM
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2. Let's not forget the dads.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-07-06 02:33 PM
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3. LOL

You're right!

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lolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-07-06 02:36 PM
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4. Illusion of Control
Edited on Sat Jan-07-06 02:36 PM by lolly
Most people think they can only die in a crash due to some other driver's incompetance--"I might be hit by somebody running a red light, so I'd better have a bigger car than he does so I can survive the crash."

They over-estimate their own ability to control their car under adverse circumstances--can't imagine that they would lose control going around a curve and might rollover.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 11:52 AM
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10. Most people bought SUV's due to advertising based on Reptilian Instincts
Edited on Sun Jan-08-06 11:52 AM by cryingshame
the auto manufacturers used psychology in both producing SUV details that appeal to humans basest, Reptilian Instincts and then in advertising those SUVs.

The grills, wheel hubs etc were all designed to appeal to our aggressive, My Survival tendencies.

And the advertising used to sell them also manipulated this as well.

Thus, many DU'ers who drive SUV's may think they're "immune" from brainwashing but need to realise what was going on.
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Ron Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-07-06 02:48 PM
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5. And it's not just the rollover issue.
The big SUV's built on truck chassis lack the "crush zones" built into automobiles and station wagons. When they collide with another object, the force which would be absorbed by a crush zone instead is taken directly by the truck frame, accelerating the occupants' bodies at a much greater rate than if they were in a car. This further dispels the illusion that these things are somehow safer for their occupants in a collision, just because they're so heavy.

The only reasons for the POPULARTITY of these bogus machines are extra-transportational (fear, vanity, ignorance.) Get a truck if you need it, or a car. But not one of these godawful things.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 11:56 AM
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11. The REASON is cause manufacturers used human psychology against us
and by us I am purposely including myself.

Auto manufacturers have social psychologists on staff who helped design details AND advertising that would manipulate consumers.

The basis for the design and advertising was to appeal to humans Reptilian Instincts.

IMO, it is not necessarily the consumerss 'fault' for falling prey to this.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-07-06 02:53 PM
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6. i had to pull my car out of a parking space, with two huge ass
vehicles on both side. totally blind. i am trying to drive a vehicle, in reverse,.... totally blind. because of assholes that dont give a shit about anyone, obstucted every bit of my view. pisses me off. i inched out. was ready to send my 10 year old out into parking lot to direct me in backing out. i think that is pretty disgusting, and sad, and selfish
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 11:35 AM
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7. Indeed.
It is ridiculous. And the choice to buy one is totally emotional. We've got good friends who would never have thought about buying an SUV. Suddenly they're pregnant, and... whaddya know. Ugh.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 11:47 AM
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8. Well, Children In Normal Autos Are More At Risk When Hit By Huge SUV's
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 11:48 AM
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9. Link to research that shows this to be true?
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 11:57 AM
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12. It's known that SUV's cause much more damage to smaller autos in accidents
You need a link to that?
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 03:20 PM
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15. I need evidence.
Not just claims. The article above is evidence that some claims are actually wrong.

Surprise. Surprise.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 12:05 PM
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13. It's called Crash Compatability.
http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:scAiH_1xp7YJ:www.suv.org/safety.html+suv+damage+accident+smaller+autos&hl=en

CRASH COMPATIBILITY

While SUVs pose serious safety problems for their occupants, recent studies are showing that SUVs are greatly increasing the danger on our roads for drivers and passengers in other cars. Federal information shows that although light trucks account for one-third of all registered vehicles, traffic crashes between a light truck and any other vehicle now account for the majority of fatalities in vehicle-to-vehicle collisions. Of the 5,259 fatalities caused when light trucks struck cars in 1996, 81 percent of the fatally injured were occupants of the car.(9) In multiple-vehicle crashes, the occupants of the car are four times more likely to be killed than the occupants of the SUV.(10) In a side-impact collision with an SUV, car occupants are 27 times more likely to die.(11)

SUVs simply are not compatible in accidents with smaller-sized cars. It is natural to think that SUVs would cause more damage in accidents, because they tend to be heavier than other cars. However, the danger from SUVs appears to be caused by more than just their weight. Comparisons between vehicles that have similar weights, like the Ford Taurus, a mid-sized sedan, and the Ford Ranger, a pick-up (which provides the platform for the Ford Explorer), have shown disproportionate impacts in accidents.

The increased damage results in large part from the design of these vehicles. On average, light trucks and SUVs are designed to ride eight inches higher than a car. SUVs also have a more rigid frame - usually consisting of two steel rails. Most cars only use one rail. These two design factors greatly increase the damage caused in a crash with a passenger car.

In March 1999 NHTSA examined the design of many popular SUVs and found that the height and frames of SUVs make them extra lethal to people riding in smaller vehicles. Differences in vehicle weight did not account for the extra risk. NHTSA conducted tests showing what happens when an SUV crashes into a Honda Accord. Several SUVs were crashed into the front driver's-side corner of the Accord. A Ford Explorer caused the most damage to the Accord. While the results might indicate that the Explorer is the safer vehicle, video of the crash test shows that the Explorer nearly rolled over after hitting the Accord, and teetering on two wheels for several moments.(12)

This study was very important because it examined how many car occupants killed in accidents with SUVs might have survived had the accidents involved passenger cars weighing the same as SUVs. This is in important finding, because auto manufacturers have maintained that the weight of SUVs make them dangerous to smaller cars, not the design. The NHTSA study concludes that 2,000 people would have survived if their vehicles had been hit by a heavy car instead of a heavy SUV. Two thousand is five percent of the nation's annual traffic fatalities. The study declares that light trucks and SUVs are twice as likely to cause a fatality in the struck car than a passenger car of comparable weight.(13)

In response to studies like this, automakers have begun saying they will make changes to make SUVs more compatible with other cars. When Ford Motor Company introduced it's new monster, the Excursion (19 feet long, 6 1/2 feet wide, and weighing in at 8,500 pounds), Ford added a front beam and a rear tow hitch to prevent other vehicles from sliding under the Excursion during an accident. The Excursion will be the largest SUV on the market and could be extremely dangerous in an accident with a smaller vehicle since almost every vehicle on the road is smaller. Ford has not added the safety beam to its other SUVs.

The compatibility issue is not confined to crashes. The size and design of SUVs raises other safety issues. For instance, placement of headlights is a serious nuisance and a potential safety problem. On large SUVs, the headlights are mounted higher than on cars. Large SUVs have headlights mounted 36 to 39 inches above the ground - the same height as the side mirror on a small car. The glare from SUVs' headlights can appear to other drivers as bright as high beams. Glare can be 10 to 20 times worse than recommended levels when headlights are at the height of a driver's eyes or side mirror, according to a study by the Society of Automotive Engineers. (14)

Automakers traditionally claim that they are simply giving the public what they want with SUVs. But recent survey results show that the public is concerned about SUVs compatibility with other passenger cars. In March 1998, the Independent Insurance Agents of America (IIAA) conducted a poll which found that nearly 80 percent of car and SUV owners feel "very strongly" or "somewhat strongly" that automakers should make safety changes to SUVs and other light trucks that would reduce risk to car occupants. This overwhelming majority points to a growing concern among the public that SUVs and cars have a hard time coexisting on the roads.(15)

With today's SUVs growing ever larger, automakers have begun a war of escalation - like a new arms race. In the end, the result of this race may be lower overall highway safety.
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 03:21 PM
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16. There you go. Thank you.
So, SUV insurance should cost much more than insurance for other vehicles, since SUVs are the ones creating the danger.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 06:47 PM
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18. Yes, Insurance. But Auto Co's Should Be Sued In Class Action Lawsuit
ala Tobacco.

Auto companies purposely designed and advertised these autos to appeal to our Reptilian instincts. They CREATED the demand for these... and manipulated people into buying them.
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Jamison Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 12:06 PM
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14. Not only do SUV's roll over more often...
studies also show they can't brake, handle, or accelerate as well as your average sedan. That also contributes to their lack of safety.

My wife has a '97 Chevy Blazer (she's dumping it soon) which I hate to drive. The thing feels like it takes a mile to stop even with new brakes, accelerates like a slug, and you must take corners very slowly.
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SuperWonk Donating Member (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 03:40 PM
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17. SUVs???
I don't know why people still think these 'road hogs' are the best thing since sliced bread.

Stick to the tried and true:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/AUTOS/12/04/iihs_top_safety/index.html
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