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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 04:45 PM
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As GM Goes So Goes the Country
This saying still comes with the memory of my father and grandfather talking over cigars. For as long as I've been alive there's been some variation of this saying going around. But was there any truth to it? Perhaps, but I don't think in the way they used to think there was.


Last Week
Laying to Rest a 'Generous' Way of Life

Sunday, March 26, 2006; Page F02

They called it "Generous Motors." If you were lucky enough to get an assembly line job at one of its plants -- or those of Ford, Chrysler and some of their major suppliers -- you could earn half again as much as neighbors with the same skills and education, along with "free" health insurance; a month's paid vacation; and, after 30 years on the job, a generous pension and whatever health services were not covered by Medicare. At some point, the company even agreed to guarantee all workers full pay and benefits, even if there wasn't enough work for them to do.

But last week, General Motors and the United Auto Workers acknowledged the jig was up. Prompted by steep annual losses in its North American auto operations and the bankruptcy filing of Delphi, its former parts division, GM announced it would offer between $70,000 and $140,000 to employees to walk out the door with nothing more than their lunch buckets and their accrued pension benefits. Similar deals will be offered to Delphi workers as well. Those with 30 years of service or more will be offered $35,000 just to begin the retirements to which they are already entitled.

The purpose is to right-size the company to reflect its shrunken market share and clean up a balance sheet weighed down by retiree costs. It is also designed to avoid a crippling strike at Delphi by workers who, if they choose to remain, will almost certainly have to accept reductions in wages and benefits.

The surprise here is not that the golden era for autoworkers has come to an end but that it lasted as long as it did. General Motors has been losing market share to foreign automakers with lower cost structures for more than 25 years. Until recently, however, the richness of the compensation packages has been maintained as the company pushed costs into the future through a series of generous early retirement packages. But the future has become the present, making the financial reckoning unavoidable.
More...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/25/AR2006032500097.html


U.S. trade deficit balloons to $805B
By David J. Lynch, USA TODAY
WASHINGTON — The most complete scorecard of the United States' international trade performance deteriorated to a record $804.9 billion deficit in 2005, the Commerce Department said Tuesday.

The "current account" deficit, including trade in goods, services and investment income, was 20.5% greater than 2004's $668.1 billion figure and more than twice as large as just four years earlier. "It's going to start to snowball. ... We're at a tipping point," says Catherine Mann of the Institute for International Economics.

No industrial nation has ever run a deficit this size, equal to 6.4% of economic output.

This year, the deficit will be at least $950 billion before topping $1 trillion next year, says Brad Setser of Roubini Global Economics.

Non-existent national savings and distortions in the dollar's value against other key currencies, notably the Chinese yuan, are the root causes. "There is a real problem with global exchange rates, and I also think the U.S. is living beyond its means," Setser says.
http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/trade/2006-03-14-econ-usat_x.htm

It would appear that both GM and the US aren't making much of anything worth buying anymore. The result is epic debts and an inability to sustain their workers. At least GM offered some kind of buyout for their employees, not that it makes it much better when you have three kids needing braces and college tuition just around the corner. Many of the employees of the US didn't even get that when they lost their jobs to off-shoring.

I'll not assume to know where all this will lead either GM or the US, but they do seem to be walking down similar paths. I do know one thing, if I were on the board I'd be looking for a new more competent CEO, wouldn't you?



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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 04:53 PM
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1. I'm rather curious as to what the Japanese and Korean
automaking corps do for their workers. I understand that the Japanese treat tehir workers damn well.
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 05:13 PM
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2. I've heard that before too
I've heard they have a fully funded pension plan and also base wages on skill level. Perhaps someone here knows more and can fill us both in.

In a funny side note, Toyota used an adaptation of Henry Fords production model and have made it work, much to the envy (and confusion) of GM.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 05:26 PM
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3. I know.
Toyota is a true sucess story, just as Ford once was.
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 05:48 PM
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9. Indeed
I suppose one could also say that the US was once a success story. Now, even if you don't look at all the other muck where in, financially we're not near on stable ground.
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WestSeattle2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 05:40 PM
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6. Yes, they do. The key difference is in pensions.....
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/02/AR2005120201377_pf.html


The quick summation is, American cars depreciate faster on whole, than Toyota, Honda, BMW etc. They simply can't charge as much up front as the foreign badged cars, yet their costs are dramatically higher per vehicle. They are getting slammed twice. It really is a snowball effect.

I think US manufacturer's lost the game with their indifference to quality, customer satisfaction, and poor designs.

Yes, I'm using the past tense, lost, because I really feel they have lost the game. Chrysler already did, having sold to Mercedes. Whose next?

GM really needs to offload their pension liabilities. American taxpayers will be on the hook for those billions, count on it. Taxpayers, GM workers, and former workers, are all going to get hosed. Once GM successfully abandons their responsibilities, Ford will have to follow suit in order to compete.

GM management will take care of themselves, pocketing millions for destroying a vibrant company. For those who say that unions destroyed the company I ask, "who signs the checks"?

Who agrees to union requests? The unions don't manage the company. The unions don't approve hideous designs or ignore customer complaints.

If you produce a high quality product that the public WANTS, your product will sell itself and you can maintain high price points.

Management is ultimately responsible, that's why they are paid the big bucks, supposedly. Management at GM and Ford have failed. Actually, they are the 2nd generation of management failures, the current generation of failures didn't do all of this themselves.

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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 05:41 PM
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7. not so much nissan
in his efforts to restore profitability, CEO Carlos Ghosn has been pretty harsh in cutting jobs in some Japan plants
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 05:28 PM
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4. Never heard that phrase before... The one I HAVE heard....
... is "What's good for GM is good for the country"

Wonder why I never heard yours before? Good to finally hear it tho! :)
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 05:39 PM
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5. I've heard that one also
I think that qualifies as a variation of the one I posted, don't you?

It also works well with the theme of my OP... What was bad for GM was bad for the country.

Thanks for adding it. :)
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 05:48 PM
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8. Dunno if it's a variation or not....
... maybe...

The context I believe mine was created was back in the day when the politicians started the serious corporate whoring, giving companies all sortsa legal breaks n whatnot - they justified it by saying "what's good for GM is good for the country" - to assuage their consciences perhaps, or maybe just as a talking point to Cronkite.

Is that the context yours derives from?

They're all good tho - I'm just glad to have learned another!
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 06:01 PM
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12. Mines from back when GM had a major influence on the US economy
Back in GM's peak their earnings were considered to be a leading indicator as to which way the economy was headed. The auto industry was once the shining gem of the US, in the late 70's I believe it was said to employ around 1 million Americans in one capacity or another.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 06:04 PM
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13. ooooo - the "america sneezes, world catches cold" days!
awesome!

Then I would say they aren't variations of one another, since they appear to address significantly different topics.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 05:50 PM
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10. the sad part is
the whole "it's the fault of the inflexible unions"-meme has been splattered in the media for so long now, no one even bothers to challenge it and accepts it as fact....I'm a car guy, so I keep up with the industry and post/lurk on several domestic boards--They are generally pretty freepish, and 95 percent of the posters believe the ENITRE crisis is the fault of the UAW/CAW--Not the financial mismanagement, shitty decision making, bad acquisitions and two plus decades of shoddy product...Not only that, but like the age-old 'welfare queen' meme, every board I've posted on has had a story from someone whose brother/cousin works for an automaker and makes $100,000 or something insane just for parking the cars in the shipping lot (And thank you to the Detroit Free Press for that "Janitor makes $70/hr" story which has become the clarion call for anti-union corporatists everywhere)...People just accept these things as fact now...
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WestSeattle2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 06:00 PM
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11. Why is it...
that it's ok for management to ask for outlandish compensation packages, sports stars to ask for outlandish compensation packages, politicians to VOTE THEMSELVES outlandish compensation packages, but yet when working people ask for enough to put food on the table, pay their medical co-pays, and perhaps put some away for their retirement and kids' college, they are attacked as being selfish, greedy, lazy ax-murderer's?

And the most vicious attacks come from folks at the same socio-economic level. Pretty amazing stuff.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 06:58 PM
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17. welcome to the site!
good points
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 08:52 PM
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18. Welcome to DU
:hi:

from a neighbor in Tacoma...

and, in reply to your comment...it amazes me too.

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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 06:09 PM
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14. So okay, they offer buy-outs of every Union member, just to break the
union...then they say they are pushing the manufacturing of their biggest Trucks and SUV's, that tells me they are also looking for corporate welfare since they are purposely bankrupting themselves...
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WestSeattle2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 06:21 PM
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15. I think they desperately wish to believe...
that Americans will continue to purchase their high margined gas guzzlers at the same time we're paying $3.00 + per gallon for fuel, which is where we're headed.

Of course one can never underestimate the foolishness of some people. How many people driving those $35-55k rigs can actually afford them, or justify them?

I guess if they're willing to take on debt way beyond their means, I guess they're dumb enough to charge the gasoline it takes to operate them. Many of them are probably still paying for fuel they purchased LAST summer.

Napolean Dynamite said it best,"IDIOTS!!!"......hahahahahahahaha

Well anyway, sales of those high profit rigs is probably not gonna happen, at least in the volume they need to save themselves from themselves.
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 06:33 PM
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16. And some still attempt to blame this on the unions and not management
Management is making the decisions on what products they market not the unions. When you make products that people don't want they don't sell, it's as simple as that. I simply fail to see how anyone can blame this on unionization.
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