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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 11:18 AM
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NewsMax Desperation: "Howard Dean in Abramoff Cash Fib"

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/1/9/90733.shtml

Howard Dean in Abramoff Cash Fib


Democratic National Committee chairman Howard Dean denied on Sunday that any Democrats had taken money from lobbyist Jack Abramoff, even though several top Dems - including Sen. Hillary Clinton - have already announced they were giving their tainted Abramoff cash to charity.

That little detail didn't faze Dean, however - who insisted with a straight face to CNN's Wolf Blitzer:

"There are no Democrats who took money from Jack Abramoff, not one, not one single Democrat. Every person named in this scandal is a Republican. Every person under investigation is a Republican. Every person indicted is a Republican.

Dean continued: "This is a Republican finance scandal. There is no evidence that Jack Abramoff ever gave any Democrat any money. And we've looked through all of those FEC reports to make sure that's true."

Last week, Sen. Clinton's office announced that she would be donating $2,000 of her Abramoff jackpot to charity. The Republican National Committee says she took a total of $12,900 in Abramoff-linked cash.



"Abramoff-linked cash" :rofl:
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 11:20 AM
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1. Next they'll be calling it "Abramoff-linked cash program activities"
Edited on Mon Jan-09-06 11:21 AM by ET Awful
:evilgrin:
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rainy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 11:38 AM
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9. so funny!
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 11:20 AM
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2. "Abramoff-linked cash" - LOL
Edited on Mon Jan-09-06 11:22 AM by jsamuel
Boy they are really stretching it, aren't they...

? Abramoff's second cousin's former roommate donated to a Democrat! ?

:rofl:
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 11:23 AM
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6. Abramoff shopped at Walmart...
If Democrats shopped at Walmart, they are guilty of associating with Jack Abramoff.
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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 11:21 AM
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3. Dean, Clinton ...
what, they couldn't make a Kennedy link? They're slipping at the Max.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 11:22 AM
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4. Talking in abosolutes
I've not been comfortable with statements like "Nobody who is a Demcorat ever took money from Abramoff." All you have to do is find one or even one who kind of looks the part, and the argument is shot out of the water.

Rather I think we need to place Abramoff in the context of the Delay money machine. He was one particularly corrupt and enthusiastic of a machine designed to feed Republicans and starve Democrats, and he functioned well within that context.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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rooboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 11:28 AM
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8. Howard Dean stated that they checked all the FEC filings.
so he can talk in absolutes all he wants.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 12:49 PM
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21. So why is Hillary Clinton returning some money?
If she didn't take any, where did it come from.

I do know the answer to this one, of course (the distinction between Abramoff's money and his clients), but how do you get people to sit still long enough to hear that one.
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 01:24 PM
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23. easy, Clinton is overcompensating because she freaks out at any
Edited on Mon Jan-09-06 01:29 PM by jsamuel
politically risky situation...

and in trying to be safe, she hurts herself and all other Dems by sending out "mixed messages"
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tulsakatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 11:58 AM
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11. Abramoff/DeLay
I think it's a good idea to put it in that context..........that the corruption was due to the partnership between DeLay and Abramoff.

And to these people who seem to think Democrats accepted money from them, why would either DeLay or Abramoff want to give money to them? Yes, presumably the money is so that they would vote their way and there are more than enough Republicans in Congress to accomplish that!! So why would they go to a Democrat, who would be less likely to vote their way?
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SkipNewarkDE Donating Member (762 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 11:22 AM
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5. It's funny these idiots ignore...
... is that the linkage was through the Indian tribes, which Dean addresses. That part of the quote ommitted, of course.
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tulsakatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 12:26 PM
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18. of course!!
....they never tell the complete story, they only tell the part that makes their side look good!!
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 01:28 PM
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25. It's just like with the wiretapping thing
when they were quoting Clinton but left out parts of the quote to suit their agenda and of course there are people who buy that nonsense without ever checking it for themselves.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 11:24 AM
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7. If Anyone Who Took Money from an Abramoff Client Is Guilty, The EVERY
single politician is guilty. Take a look at Abramoff's client list. Just for starters, Microsoft is a client. So anyone who got donations from Micrisoft would have Abramoff Linked donations.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 12:04 PM
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13. Or a microsoft employee
I know a Microsoft engineer who is a Democrat - he contributed to Kerry as he did to Gore, Clinton ... in the past. I assume he wasn't the only one.
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tulsakatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 11:51 AM
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10. someone should ask him...........
.......if Democrats are just as guilty as Republicans (regarding the Abramoff corruption), why aren't the Republicans making louder noises about that, as they usually do?

I'm not saying that kind of behavior is appropriate, I'm just saying that Republicans have a pattern of saying 'they did it too' when accused of wrong doing.

Yes, some of them have pointed to some Democrats but it certainly has not been the level of what they usually do. Remember when people found out about the false intelligence for the war. Everyone from Bush to Cheney to everyone in Congress was echoing the same chorus............the Democrats voted for it too!!!!!
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 01:30 PM
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26. Very good point
Edited on Mon Jan-09-06 01:30 PM by FreedomAngel82
They aren't even doing anything. Just claiming they're innocent and letting the talking heads do it for them. Where's Tom DeLay, Rick Santorum and the rest of them going on the tv shows and claiming democrats are doing it too? Or how about other republican talking heads? It's just not as loud as the "War on Christmas" thing.
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tulsakatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 07:04 AM
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28. thanks!!
....if they knew they were right about the Democrats being just as crooked as them they would be making a much louder noise!!

We would hear it non stop from every talking head on TV!! But what are they doing? Mostly they're not even talking about it.........hoping it will go away. Which to me means, they know they're just as guilty as they really are!!
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vortnik1 Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 12:00 PM
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12. Why does donating it to charity
after the fact make it OK?  That part baffles me.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 12:09 PM
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14. If you are going to get rid of it, give it back to the tribes.
Welcome to DU!

:hi: 
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 01:09 PM
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22. Hi vortnik1!!
Welcome to DU!!  :toast:
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vortnik1 Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 12:45 PM
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27. Thanks! Good to be here.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 12:10 PM
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15. That's how they will spin it, and it will work, I'm afraid
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chat_noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 12:13 PM
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16. Dean: White House Must Tell the Truth About Abramoff Ties
One day after former Republican mega-lobbyist and major Bush fundraiser Jack Abramoff pleaded guilty to three federal crimes, the White House gave back merely $6,000 in donations made by Abramoff to the President's re-election campaign, but kept the more than $100,000 that Abramoff personally and directly raised for Bush-Cheney '04. Given what we now know, Abramoff's shady business practices and influence peddling calls into question what meetings he set up or organized for his clients with Administration officials.

Based on news reports alone, it's clear Abramoff's network reached deep into the White House and was used to reap significant fees from his clients. Specifically, Abramoff charged multi-million dollar fees to arrange meetings with Bush as well as access to senior White House officials for his clients.

Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean called on the Bush White House to come clean regarding the extent of the contact between Abramoff and senior White House officials:

"Because President Bush has yet to return the more than $100,000 in money Jack Abramoff personally raised for him, and given reports of his extensive dealings with senior White House officials, the Administration has a responsibility to disclose their contacts and detail their relationship with this admitted felon.

"As a Bush Pioneer, Abramoff bragged about the influence he held at the White House, as did his former lobbying partner who claimed that Abramoff had direct access to the President. Abramoff also arranged meetings with the President and members of the Bush Administration for his clients, who later received favorable treatment.

"Until he was charged with committing three federal crimes, Abramoff used his Republican contacts, including his ties to the White House, to create an extensive pay-to-play system where political money was exchanged for policy outcomes. To begin to clear the growing ethical cloud over the White House, President Bush must disclose his Administration's contacts and detail their relationship with this admitted felon. The American people deserve the truth."

Bush Meets Abramoff

Abramoff Charged Marianas Islands for Getting Then-Governor Bush to Write Letter Supporting CNMI's Education Plan. In 1997, records show that Abramoff charged his client, the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands (CNMI), for a letter written by then-Governor George Bush, praising the CNMI's "school choice proposal." The letter dated July 18th 1997 read, "'I hope you will keep my office informed on the progress of this initiative,' besides being addressed to CNMI officials, an Abramoff deputy was also CC'd on the letter from Bush." (AP, 5/6/05)

Abramoff Fundraises For Bush

Jack Abramoff Was A Bush/Cheney '04 Pioneer; Boasted How Easy It Was To Be A Pioneer. Abramoff raised over $100,000 for the Bush/Cheney re-election campaign, and was designated a "Pioneer" for his fundraising efforts. A 2003 article profiled Abramoff"s work: "'Everyone in town is trying to be a Pioneer or Ranger,' said Jack Abramoff, a top Republican lobbyist here, using the campaign's terms for the most elite levels of money collectors. "But the only way to do it is to have contacts outside of D.C., which fortunately I do. So far I've raised about $120,000, and I haven't even really started making calls." (International Herald Tribune, 7/22/03)

Abramoff Was A Republican Insider And Who Had Strong Pull With Bush White House. Abramoff's lobbying partner boasted that he is a phone call away from the President. "Jack has a relationship with the President," Abramoff's former spokesman and fellow lobbyist Michael Scanlon once said. "He doesn't have a bat phone or anything, but if he wanted an appointment, he would have one." Scanlon has since pleaded guilty to conspiring to bribe a congressman and other public officials. (New Times Broward-Palm Beach, 2/22/01; Washington Post, 11/29/05)

Abramoff's Pay-To-Play Program For White House Meetings Abramoff Arranged A White House Meeting With Bush And Administration Officials For Indian Leaders. In the summer of 2001, Abramoff arranged a meeting between Bush and top Indian leaders to discuss tax issues. Among the attendees was one of Abramoff's biggest clients, Lovelin Poncho, chairman of the Coushattas. Abramoff also invited the Coushattas and other tribal clients to a fall 2001 dinner party attended by Interior Secretary Gale Norton. (National Journal, 4/20/02)

Abramoff Arranged White House Meeting In Exchange For Donation To Grover Norquist's Americans For Tax Reform. A lawyer for the Saginaw Chippewa Indian tribe in Michigan revealed that tribal leaders had "three or four" meetings at the White House - including one with Bush and another with Rove- after they gave a $25,000 donation to Grover Norquist's Americans for Tax Reform at Jack Abramoff's request. ATR later confirmed that Norquist arranged White House meetings for Indian tribal leaders and others who were "supportive of the president's agenda." (Newsweek, 5/2/05)

Bush White House Blocked Construction Of Casino By Rival Tribe Of Abramoff Client. The Coushatta Indians of Louisiana paid Abramoff's former law firm $1.76 million "in the last sixth months of 2001." A month after Abramoff"s law firm received the payment, the Bush White House blocked a rival tribe's attempt to construct a casino near the Coushatta casino. "William Worfel, vice chairman of the Coushattas, views the administration's decision as a direct benefit of the eye-popping lobbying fees his tribe paid Mr. Abramoff." (New York Times, 4/3/02)

...And Access to Bush Officials

Abramoff Lobbying Team Had "Extensive Access" To Bush Administration Officials. According to his lobbying firm's billing records, Jack Abramoff and his Marianas Islands (CNMI or Commonwealth of Northern Mariana Islands) lobbying team had almost 200 contacts with Bush Administration officials. The records include meetings with Cheney policy advisers Ron Christie and Stephen Ruhlen, Attorney General John Ashcroft at the Justice Department, White House intergovernmental affairs chief Ruben Barrales, U.S. Trade Representative Robert Zoellick, Deputy Interior Secretary Steven Griles and others. While records show that many of the meetings were handled by Abramoff's lieutenants, Abramoff personally met with Top Interior Department officials, "whose Office of Insular Affairs oversees the Mariana Islands and other U.S. territories." (AP, 5/6/05)

Abramoff Cited Interior Department Connections And Bush Administration Appointments In Letters To CNMI Officials. In two separate letters to CNMI officals, Abramoff cited Bush Administration appointments as being friendly to the CNMI. In a January of 2001 letter to CNMI officials Abramoff wrote, "Our standing with the new administration promises to be solid as several friends of the CNMI (islands) will soon be taking high- ranking positions in the Administration, including within the Interior Department." In another letter from October of 2001 Abramoff boasts, "We have worked with WH Office of Presidential Personnel to ensure that CNMI-relevant positions at various agencies are not awarded to enemies of CNMI." (AP, 5/6/05)

Abramoff Advised Bush Interior Department Transition While Representing Indian Tribes. Abramoff advised the Interior Department during the Bush transition in 2001. Aside from the Department of Homeland Security, which regulates coastline gaming, and the Department of Treasury, which regulates illegal financial transactions, the Bureau of Indian Affairs (within the Interior Department) is one of the few means the Federal Government has to regulate the gaming industry, specifically the Native American gaming industry. (Wall Street Journal, 3/19/01; www.doi.gov ) At Least Two Bush Appointees Were Former Abramoff Lobbyists Who Had Traveled To The Marianas Islands; One Was Indicted For Lying About Relationship With Abramoff. Patrick Pizzella now the Assistant Secretary for Administration and Management and Chief Information Officer at the Department of Labor, and David Safavian, former Director of Procurement Policy at the Office of Management and Budget, were both formerly employed by Abramoff's former firm. Safavian also attended a golfing trip to Scotland with Abramoff and Representative Bob Ney (R-OH). Safavian "was indicted on Oct. 5 on charges of lying and obstructing investigations into" the golf trip. "Safavian was charged in a five-count indictment of making false statements to Senate and GSA investigators looking into his relationship with Abramoff." (AP, 5/6/05; Washington Post, 1/21/05; Reuters, 1/4/06) Paid for and authorized by the Democratic National Committee, http://www.democrats.org . This communication is not authorized by any candidate or candidate's committee.

http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=58947


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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 12:21 PM
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17. Too bad that
msm doesn't explain the difference between legal and illegal donations. The sheeple certainly will not take the time and check out the truth!
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Beausoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 12:31 PM
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19. Smell the desperation. n/t
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maxrandb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 12:42 PM
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20. Trying to smear Democrats with this
is like saying; "I robbed you, and then you gave some money to Hillary Clinton, therefore, Hillary Clinton supports me and is a robber too".

Geez, please tell me the American people are NOT THAT STUPID!!!!

Didn't "Whacko Jacko" substitute the word Democrats in Patton's famous speech?

- "The Democrats are the enemy. Wade into them! Spill their blood! Shoot them in the belly!"

Didn't "Whacko Jacko" say;

- ""It is not our job to seek peaceful coexistence with the Left. Our job is to remove them from power permanently."

Wasn't "Whacko Jacko" at one time in the leadership of the COLLEGE REPUBLICANS.

Please tell me Right Wing Media:

- "Just what golf outings and hooker fests did Jack ever once lavish on a Democrat????"

Keep hitting these bastards with the truth. They're trying to play "semantics" with the American people.

"Blanking" reminds me of the Bugs Bunny cartoon where Bugs had "pronoun" problems.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 01:24 PM
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24. When did any democrats give back money?
I've missed that. :shrug:
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