She Voted For The Damn War

[babylonsister]

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[tekisui]

1. And, the Clusterbombs. And Kyl-Lieberman. But the War vote does take it.

It was for war. Period.

[soundguy]

2. If You Keep Repeating A Lie Long Enough

and have a sip or two of cool aide does it suddenly become true? Give it a rest already it only makes you seem petty and uneducated. Of course some people just love drama.

[Kelvin Mace]

5. I'm sorry

how this is a lie. She voted for the war.

Also, could you explain to me why she is endorsing John McCain for president?

[aquart]

11. Okay, I give you IWR, but the McCain is just insanity.

Really. That you are pushing it with seriousness is beyond the bounds of any believable reality.

I get that none of you can cope with the utter horror of an ambitious woman...but to tell yourselves and anyone else that she endured all this SHIT to put someone else in office? Not even Koolaid is strong enough to make sense of that.

[Kelvin Mace]

15. I have no "horror" about an ambitious woman

I am married to one and love her dearly. I greatly respect quite a bit of what Sen. Clinton has done. If she wins the nomination, I will vote for her and fight the fight that will come.

But, I am greatly dismayed that she has repeatedly held John McCain to be more qualified to be president than Obama.

Do you agree with this view?

Why is the fact that have a serious problem with a Democratic presidential candidate, in essence" endorsing the Republican candidate viewed as my being "horrified" by an ambitious woman?

Also, if being the wife of a president makes her more qualified to be president than Obama, does that mean Laura Bush is also more qualified?

[bjobotts]

21. Obama equally ambitious. Running for pres since became Senator

It's a campaign and they will each do what they can to win...but some tactics hurt the party.

[Kelvin Mace]

27. Again,

ambition is not what I am asking about. I have nothing against ambition, you couldn't be president without it.

What you are willing to DO to become president is certainly something I worry about.

[bjobotts]

22. She didn't vote for the "war". She voted for the AUMF if necessary.

[bjobotts]

23. That's the "lie" you keep repeating..."she voted for war". Lie.

[babylonsister]

6. Ouchie! That truth hurts, huh, so you have to call names. Grow up and

smell the reality.

[Kelvin Mace]

8. Here's the question to keep asking

Why should we vote for a McCain supporter? She keeps endorsing him for president.

[Zachstar]

29. I agree

The Clinton supporters need to lower the RPMs on the spin machine. They are burning it out and the voters are no longer buying their bullshit.

It was a vote for the DAMN WAR!!

[Voltaire99]

12. Always glad to put someone like you on Ignore.

Good luck with your right wing politics, pal.

[LSK]

26. WHAT THE HELL?? SENATE.GOV IS LYING?????

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=2&vote=00237

[DemzRock]

3. So did most of our elected representatives. W lied to them about WMD there, Scared them...

And they voted to let him use force if necessary. Oh, W also lied about letting the UN process go forward first.

Stop fooling yourselves, newbies, no one is going to get us completely out of Iraq. We bought the place. OB, HRC and even McBush will probably draw down the numbers soon, but we will keep the permanent bases indefinitely.

PS: Didn't Obama vote to keep funding the war over and over?

[Kelvin Mace]

7. And most have since repudiated their vote

and apologized. Certainly Edwards did.

There were only three reasons to to vote for war:

1) You believed George Bush.

2) You agreed wish Bush's war.

3) You were a craven coward afraid of being called a terrorist.

In the first case, you are an idiot. In the second a war monger. In the third a craven coward.

None of these makes for a good president.

And I ask you the same question: Why should I vote for somebody who has repeatedly supported McCain for president?

[Zachstar]

30. Great post Kelvin Mace!

The Clinton's can't spin this enough to sway what it really is.

[tekisui]

9. And those who voted for it trusted chimpy over the facts and the intelligience.

We knew there were no WMDs. We knew there was no connection to AQ. We knew this would be a long war that would drain our economy.

Those who voted for it, fucked up, big time. chimpy way have sold it, but Hillary and company bought it against what was KNOWN at the time.

And no, none of the candidates will be able to "end" it immediately. They can't. THere is some permanence to what has been done. All the more reason not to trust anyone who sign this country over to the war profiteers.

PS--cutting the funding was never a possibility.

[WonderGrunion]

10. Excuse me

Are you saying we want a president that can be scared into making bad decisions? And not just at 3 in the morning.

[Voice for Peace]

14. Thanks Wonder Grunion,

you took the words out of my mouth.

I don't want a president who scares so easily, who can be easily manipulated, and manipulates in turn.

[Zachstar]

31. I sure as hell do not.

However, What is worse is her refusal to admit it was the wrong decision.

If she can't admit her own mistakes. We will just have Bush 2.0 (Only upgrade is that blue color and ability to talk a tiny bit better)

Clinton is no good to lead the country.

[leeroysphitz]

18. "So did most of our elected representatives" I know. I won't be voting for any of them again EITHER.

And as for that, tired, TIRED old "but Bush LIED to us" argument well it holds zero water. Bush lied to everybody. I know why right wing people bought it by why was it that among us liberals only the politicians "fell" for it? Hmm... let me think...

[Kelvin Mace]

4. It is the major issue I can't get past

add to this her endorsing McCain as president and I am looking at Joe Lieberman.

[zanne]

17. Same here. Some things are unforgiveable.

She wanted to do the politically expedient thing then and now she doesn't want to accept responsibility. How can she be trusted not to do the same as president?

[Kelvin Mace]

19. My thoughts exactly

I have never been in danger of mistaking the Clinton's for being liberal, despite the Right's obsession with the issue.

[Zachstar]

32. She can't be trusted.

We can't afford more of this crap in the white house!

I hope the voters tell her that enough is enough!

[Voltaire99]

13. Hillary was, and is, a Little Eichmann.

War is never a president's deed alone.

The Iraq war, for instance, wouldn't have been possible without banal minds like Clinton's giving it their bureaucratic seal of approval. In her case, eagerly.

Not one of war's architects, she was nonetheless as lethal as any bloodthirsty neo-con to Iraqis and Iraqi society: she was a thoughtless, reckless cheerleader for conflict.

She embraced it like with all the wisdom of an amateur and now wishes to be seen as a sage.

She helped shed oceans of blood and has never recanted, nor shall ever. In what passes for a conscience, she's undoubtedly proud of her war fever. It proved she's "tough," electable. She can kill like the big boys.

And so her vaunted foreign policy "experience" thus makes her not only undesirable as the next president, but at least deserving of consideration as a junior war criminal.

Yes, I know there are plenty of warrior liberals who couldn't care less how many bodies the empire piles up in its wars.

You can vote for her, then; abbysus abbysum invocat.

[winggirle]

16. Don't Smile in my face....

And tell me that you are the best candidate for the job and
you re-think you status and support someone else.  I agree
with you all she is too easily persuaded and manipulated by
the unjust crowds and aides she has.  Truly, I don't know
which Democratic Candidate will win but I surely hope Barack
Obama gets the nomination. 

[bjobotts]

24. Your whole argument is based on "assumtions" about motivations and full of crap.

[bjobotts]

25. Little Eichmann..sieg heil eh? Everything you say has been debunked so many times.

Extremely misinformed about what was going on at the time. An AUMF is not a vote for war and she was not running around like some blood thirsty nazi planning the demise of Iraq. What imagination. What biased perceptions. What negative charges about her motivations.

[bjobotts]

20. At least tell the truth.She didn't vote for the "war". She voted for the AUMF as a last resort.

[Zoo Station]

28. Politics or Naivete?

I am coming out of the shadows tonight. I am a long time lurker and first time poster. I am a former Edwards’s supporter who is now supporting Obama. My concerns with Hillary are her motives for her actions. I am suspicious of her motive for voting aye on the IWR.I have been wrestling with this and can come up with only two scenarios neither very positive. The first would be that she must be very naive to believe anything the Bushites would purport. Why didn't she find it important enough to read the NIE report? Hadn't she heard of PNAC? The other scenario is that she wanted to present herself as "strong" on defense for a future run at the White House when in her heart she knew it was the wrong call. I attended a fundraiser in 2005 and came away quite impressed with her. This however was shortlived.It only took less than a week and she was co-sponsoring a bill with Robert Bennett of Utah making flag burning illegal. These instances are troubling to me. They give me the impression of simply being cold, calculating purely political decisions. Sorry, Babylon Sister this looked like a good spot to make my first post. Everone can let me have it now.

I have included a link from PNAC to President Clinton dated 1/26/98.
http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm

A separate link concerning her stance on flag burning
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/14/AR2005121401887.htm