The View's Whoopi Goldberg on Polanski 'It Wasn't Rape Rape'

[Cash_thatswhatiwant]

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[JuniperLea]

1. Well, I think she's not a woman woman...

If she thinks violence against women is ok.

[emilyg]

12. Agree- Agree.

[pollo poco]

13. The Sad Truth

In our culture, violence against women IS ok.

And some of the strongest apologists for this (and other ruling caste abuses of women) are women. I would offer that these are the real "women women" that our culture will reward. Those who speak against caste law will not be rewarded with the coveted "reasonable woman" label. These are the unreasonable women. They reap different rewards from society. It does not matter if the former are ignorant, and the latter well schooled. Knowing the history of the situation as usual in our culture, counts for nothing. You can be shouted down by dining room tables all day long on this subject.

Polanski is a special member of the ruling caste, and therefore especially entitled to abuse the lower castes.
Why ask why? You will never come up with a reason other than that I have named here.

Get to work, DU enablers of caste rule! Silence this unreasonable assessment of our glorious caste system.

[no_hypocrisy]

2. Like porn.

You can have soft porn.

You can have hard core porn.

You can have XXX porn.

You can have erotic porn.

It's still porn.

[my future me]

30. But none of it's porn porn

[no_hypocrisy]

31. Welcome to DU, and well stated.

[Teaser]

3. oh fuck this noise

.

[marylanddem]

4. I've lost all respect for Whoopi Goldberg now.

pathetic.

[Teaser]

5. why is everyone sucking Polansky's cock?

does he have pics of everyone in hollywood doing it with roosters or something?

[eissa]

6. because he's a "genius" dontcha know

and apparently that gets you out of serving a lame 90-day sentence for drugging and raping a kid.

[Triana]

15. You and me both. Pfft. Written her off. n/t

[butterfly77]

7. I am so tired of hearing about this story..

but,I watched this as it went on the other day and I was boiling as Whoopi tried her best to make excuses for this man. Allegedly my ass he confessed to it!

Not necessarily my ass! So whoopi is saying it would be alright if he slept with her 13 year old granddaughter. Also,how do we know if this was the only one on his casting couch! Has whoopi been there?

[swwallace81]

8. NOT getting a good visual.

[butterfly77]

9. LOL...

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[butterfly77]

10. LOL...

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[bluestateguy]

14. I agree. Let's talk about Natalie Holloway

nt

[butterfly77]

18. Let's do...

Tell me about her,I don't know what the story is.

[niceypoo]

33. I think she's a runaway bride or something

...from FOX news

[TheEuclideanOne]

11. She was asking for it!

After all, what kind of mom would let her daughter in this man's house. :sarcasm:

[JDPriestly]

16. I cannot judge this stituation. Clearly, having sex with a 13-year old is a serious offense.

I must add, however, that my daughter, at that age was auditioning for small parts (just for fun) including extra work. She was accompanied by an adult at all times. I would never have dreamed of taking my daughter to a photo op or audition, dropping her off at the photographer's (or director's) home and just leaving her there. There is something fishy about the whole story. I don't know what really happened.

[tishaLA]

25. Well, he gave her ludes and alcohol

and had oral, vaginal, and anal sex with her in Jack Nicholson's home. She repeatedly asked him to stop; her protests were so loud, Angelica Huston, who was Jack Nicholson's girlfriend at the time, came to the room and was shooed away by Polanski.

Now, I think reasonable people can disagree about how Polanski is handled now--it is undeniable that the original judge was a scoundrel more interested in keeping his friends in Bel Air happy than in adhering to the plea agreement he'd approved between the DA and Polanski's lawyer, for example--but the facts of the case are not in question.

[JDPriestly]

34. I'm not denying that she was raped. I am wondering why her mother

took her there or allowed her to go there with no chaperon. I'm saying that it is a well established fact that if you have a child who is working in the movies in any capacity, you need an adult with the child at all times. I believe that may now be a law. But even before it was a law, it was common sense. The casting couch is not just a rumor.

[tishaLA]

36. You said you don't know what really happened.

The mother may have been irresponsible--I don't know--but her actions have no bearing on Mr Polanski's culpability. She is not, and has never been, on trial. Will we next start putting women on trial for being raped while wearing skimpy clothing or for having more than one sexual partner?

Oh right. We already do.

[JDPriestly]

37. How about first a conspiracy charge and second why was she allowed

to keep custody of her daughter if she placed the child in a situation in which she should have known the child might be abused? I'm asking these questions. There is a movie about this. In my opinion, it is slanted toward Polanski, but it caused me to ask several questions. Why was Polanski alone with this child in the private home of a man with the reputation of Jack Nichols? Where was her mother while this was going on? Why was the trial so abruptly terminated with a plea bargain by Polanski? Why did Polanski fear that the judge would not go along with the terms of the plea bargain? I understand that judges do not have to go along with plea bargain terms, and I also understand that the film makes the judge look like a wanna'be celebrity. I'm not sure I buy that. Whether or not Polanski finishes his sentence, I suspect that we do not know the whole story. Some very sinister things go on in Hollywood.

And no, neither I nor you really know what happened in the Polanski case. He plead guilty. A lot of people do -- and not always because they are. By the way, he plead to having sex with a minor, not exactly to the most serious rape charge. That is another strange thing although it could be due to the fact that he could afford a top-notch lawyer and not to the facts of his case. Only Polanski really knows what happened, and he has probably never told anyone other than maybe but just maybe his lawyer.

[closeupready]

39. Are you saying you think he perjured himself when he pled guilty?

I'm taking his word for it when he said he was guilty. If he lied about being guilty, he should say so. Otherwise, he's guilty.

[JDPriestly]

41. No. I am not questioning whether Polanski was guilty (although, I like to remind

people that a guilty plea does not always mean that a person was actually guilty). Polanski could have had a lot of reasons for pleading guilty. For example, maybe he secretly planned all along to run away rather than serve his sentence.

I'm just saying that we don't know. Also, times have changed and maybe this young woman's mother was either extremely naive or ignorant, however, I question why mothers of 13-year-olds who are allowed to be placed in situations in which it is possible for them have sexual relationships with men old enough to be their fathers or even grandfathers are allowed to keep custody of their children? In California, a parent can lose custody of his or her child if the parent neglects the child. A 13-year-old who has been permitted to spend enough time in a situation in which the child could be sexually molested has been neglected in my view. I don't care if the man is her priest or her stepfather.

There is something odd about Polanski's plea bargain. He was a high profile defendant, and he plead to a lesser charge, not a rape charge which we would expect to be the charge. Plea bargains to lesser charges may be done for various reasons: to save the authorities the trouble and cost of a trial when the charge is minor (would not apply here); because the prosecutor doesn't really have the evidence to successfully present the more serious charge (how could that be the case here?); because the defendant has a strong defense and the prosecutor knows it; because evidence is lost or flawed . . . . There are other possible explanations such as a balky witness who refuses to testify and is being allowed to balk or perhaps a child witness who is too traumatized to testify. Then there are really rare and horrible reasons -- like that someone is afraid to draw the wrath of someone very powerful or that the defendant is a person who would get a lot of sympathy from a jury. There are just a lot of unknowns in this situation. Did someone encourage Polanski to run? That is another question about this story. As I said, I saw the movie on this and went away with the unsettled feeling that a lot of questions had not been answered. We will probably never know.

Apparently not all countries prohibit having sex with young people. We should make sure that our laws are not only enforced but easily learned about by visitors to our country.

I think we should not only make sure Polanski is properly punished for what he did (if the young woman is still prepared to press charges) but we should also make sure that those who tortured prisoners in violation of custom and laws established by George Washington and well known to most Americans should be tried and punished.

I'm wondering whether Polanski will somehow get a retrial. I don't see how he could, but . . . .

From a legal point of view, this is an interesting story. From a human point of view, I think it is very sad. That Polanski, who survived the Holocaust and who lost his wife an child to an insane criminal gang and who made some very challenging movies would spend the last days of his life in prison for a sordid, completely pointless crime, is very, very strange and sad.

[tomm2thumbs]

17. I wonder if Whoopi even read the court transcript on Smoking Gun - she should do her homework

then she can 'speak her mind' but she obviously was just getting snips of info from 'her earpiece' and hasn't done much to find out about the case

[Sky Masterson]

19. It was rape Whoopi

..

[winyanstaz]

20. Sex with a child is RAPE Rape..and more rape..sheesh...

And just spending a few months in prison for something that effects a child's whole life is bullshit too.
He should get a hundred years...he should get two hundred years...he is a filthy pig and not a human being to do such a thing.
And Woopi? I am ashamed of you. I have always admired you but not now...not after this bit. Shame on you.

[Cash_thatswhatiwant]

32. she's a celebrity

looking out for one of her own.

[lobodons]

21. Yes it was rape rape

The rape rape is not the question. He plead guilty. He raped a 13 year old girl (it wasn't even consensual, geesh). HOWEVER, the question at hand is that the state reneged on the deal. The guilty guilty person at hand here is the state. IF the state would have held up their end of the bargain, the case would have went forward and justice would have prevailed. That is the system we live in. It sucks that in this situation, Polansky would have only served the 40 some odd days in the mental ward for a rape of any kind, but that was the plea bargain.

[Amerigo Vespucci]

22. Yeah, and Whoopi also said Vick tortured dogs 'cause that shit happens in "the hood"...

...even though Vick really didn't grow up in "the hood."

Fuck her, she's just on fire with a wealth of useless information. She's my moral compass. Fuck her, fuck her, fuck her.

[Aslanspal]

23. This is a loser, cannot defend this guy

The more they try the more complicated it gets and people just tune out and get mad because it looks as if people are bending over backwards to defend this guy.


Look he messed up by fleeing ...really messed up. Lets say the judge had really let him have it ...Polanski could still fight it and fight it and fight it ...lawyer shop...judge shop...until he gets his break , but no he flees and this old scab has now been picked and it is bleeding once more.

Have little sympathy for him ...he has his creative world then he had his private world ...sorry you cannot use the other to gain sympathy with me.

I think in the end a deal will be made...but Polanski pissed off alot of people in the Justice system and law enforcement by fleeing .. then carrying on as if it was all well.


Well it's not Roman

Damn Whoopi read the transcript of the girl....I think he did rape her...it was a sophisticated rape but still my opinion his intent was to have sex with her come hell or high water.

[tishaLA]

24. I've begun contacting the show's sponsors

She issued a "clarification" today that was supposed to do some good, I suppose, but it was incredibly lame. So there's always the pocketbook.

Goldberg has demonstrated that she has no sense whatsoever. What a fucking disappointment.

[mnhtnbb]

26. They finally--at the end--get to the point that "maybe the mama will end up in court"

Yes. The mother had a legal obligation to protect her child. There are child endangerment
statutes. There are generally accepted guidelines in show business that INCLUDE never leaving
your minor child alone on a set.

See this post of mine: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=6662859&mesg_id=6664707

[eissa]

27. Mom is irrelevant

Bad parenting does not get rapists off the hook.

[mnhtnbb]

28. Child endangerment laws should be upheld the same as any other laws.

[eissa]

29. Agreed, but mom's neglect

has nothing to do with the rapist's actions. Both are culpable and should be held accountable.

[daedalus_dude]

35. "We see things different in Hollywood" - Her ugly elitist side is finally showing.

[closeupready]

38. Which is weird for her to say, since she's originally from New York.

n/t

[closeupready]

40. Also, I wanted to mention, Shari really shines on this one. And I don't like her at all.

But she clearly sees this issue for what it is - a case of child rape. And she doesn't give Whoopi even an inch. I'll always give her credit for that. :hug: to Shari.

[UndertheOcean]

42. Genius brings in many defenders

I guess humanity values the Extremely talented.