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romantico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 03:35 PM
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10 Year Old Boy Fighting for Marriage Equality
 
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Posted on YouTube: March 15, 2010
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Posted on DU: March 15, 2010
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I would be proud to call this boy my son!

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ejbr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 04:08 PM
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1. k & r !! n/t
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 05:03 PM
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2. I would be ashamed to use a child for something like this.
No I did not watch it.
It is no different than the fundies doing the same thing.
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 05:30 PM
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5. who says he's being used?
Maybe it was HIS idea.

Haven't been around a lot of bright, socially-minded 10 yr olds lately, have you?
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 07:39 PM
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14. So you are OK with a bright 10 year old
Telling you why it is a sin to kill babbie in the womb?....are there no bright kids among the right, and can they not also be led to those conclusions by adults?
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 10:19 PM
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16. well, he wouldn't be very bright, then, would he?
Hey, you teach your kid what you want, I'll teach my kid what I want. If MY bright kid puts out a Youtube I'd be pretty happy about that. If yours does, I may not be happy about the content, but I'd certainly admit that the kid does a credible job of presenting their case if they do.
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 11:16 PM
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17. I have seen kids 6 years old do a credible job of
Acting like a seductive beauty queen too....and i will admit it takes a bright kid to pull that off....
But it also takes parents to guide them to it because kids at that age do not think sexually because they are not yet developed that way....and if they are thinking sexually at 10 then something is wrong.
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romantico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 05:42 AM
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19. Damn
So, because he is thinking about EQUALITY You think that's the same as thinking of sex? What is it with these people who think homosexuality ='s dirty sex? Apparently you do.I think it's a good thing for kids in this day and age to learn about equality. Period. Anyone who see's anything negative about that has issues of their own. So, these parents who have kids who are all Goth and play video games are you saying they are influencing them as well? I know a woman who's son has been obsessed with rap music and hip hop since he was about 5. He is 15 today and wears the baggy pants, tons of bling, and sagging pants,etc. Did they influence him? If that's your lame ass argument then they MUST HAVE GUIDED HIM to do that. I failed to see how some people fail to see the negative in this. I posted as a sign of a positive future. That there are some kids who are doing good and a new generation is looking at things different. Sounds like you have some major issues with gays or marriage equality. I see nothing bad about this.Its so sad that you do!
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 06:28 AM
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20. First of all the only dirty sex is that imposed on children by adults.
Yes when you dress your daughter as a sexy woman and parade her aground that is sick.,,,that much should be clear.
And there is two forms of abuse as far as I am concerned and that is not paying attention to your kids...which probably will lead to goth behavior or the interest in pop culture among the children because they get from pop culture what the cannot from there parents.
And the second is using your children as an extension of your own desires and interist....the child beauty queen is the prime example.
Parents ARE the prime developer of the child whether they know it or not.
The normal 10 year old boy would think of kissing girls as icky...that is because at ten he is not a sexual being and should not be....but this culture has sexualized children,,,a ten year old knows all about blow jobs and exactly what people do when they get naked.
Sorry but I think we should leave kids out of this...let them play like kids until they are actually physical and mentally ready for other things.
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 04:32 PM
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21. ah - I see - whenever you hear GLBT - you think SEX...
Which is pretty sad, really. When you hear about non-GLBT do you think about them having sex, too?

No, being aware of GLBT status does not have to have any "SEXUAL connotation" at all.

Kids don't think about "sex" when they think of "boyfriend and girlfriend" - so why would they think "sex" for a boyfriend and boyfriend, or a girlfriend and girlfriend?!? They just know two people "like" or "love" each other.

GLBT is who you ARE not what you "do" in the bedroom.
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 09:56 AM
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24. This is not about GLBT it is about children becoming tools
Just as the little beauty queen is a tool of the parents to further their own images of life.
And if not about sex just what is marriage about?
like the old song shows it has always been about sex....

Love and marriage
Love and marriage \go together like a horse and carriage
Dad was told by mother
You can't have one without the other.

And it is not about love....I love my brother, sister, and my cat, but we don't need to marry them.

But just 50 years ago if you wanted to have sex with a woman, you had to marry her....that has all changed now of course but marriage now is done in order to have exclusive sex with one person....but even that is not a certainty.
But no matter a 10 year old has no expertise on this, and if used is only an emotional tool.
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 06:06 PM
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26. Nope. Some kids are pretty damn independent
and outspoken at a young age. If you've never been around a kid like that - well, then I guess I can understand your position. However, there ARE kids "like that" - I have three myself (especially the first two).

You think GLBT is just about "SEX"???????? You just don't get it, do you?

Just 50 years ago, lots of people were having sex outside of marriage just like they were 100 years ago, 1000 years 10000 years ago.... Don't let the "church" fool ya. It may not have been as open and prevalent as 50 years ago, but I can guarandamntee you, there were plenty of boys and girls having sex outside of marriage.

And again, a 10 year can fully embrace GLBT values without knowing a damn thing about penises and vaginas and the use to which they're put.
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stillrockin67 Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 05:54 PM
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8. Not brainwashed
This articulate young man was featured months ago for refusing to stand up and repeat the Pledge of Allegiance. He already has principles and is willing to deal with all of the grade school harassment that goes with anyone daring to be different. He has a double-promotion to his accomplishments. He is no "brainwashed" child. I played the video of his television interview to my junior American Literature class as an example of someone putting into practice what Thoreau taught. The student were impressed by the young man's courage of convictions.
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 06:12 PM
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12. his parents should say f it and
homeschool him. He's the perfect candidate!!
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stillrockin67 Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 05:11 PM
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25. mzteris
I fail to follow the logic of a thinking individual having to be home-schooled. Enlighten me.
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 06:57 PM
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27. Homeschooling is GREAT!
There are myriad reasons why one might choose to homeschool.

As you know, some people choose to homeschool because of their religion and/or other values which they believe are being "challenged" in a school. That's the type that usually get trashed in here - RW fundies. While there ARE a lot of them, that is not the only group. There are as many reasons to homeschool as there are people doing it, practically. Most of the time it is a COMBINATION of things that push people to homeschool. Let me just list a few:

1. Education (you can't get the type you need where you are)
2. Bullying
3. Moral Values (and no, not the fundy ones. If you lived in Texas with their backasswards texts coming out, would you hs? Possibly.)
4. Child is gifted.
5, Chile is challenged.
6. Learningn disabilities
7. Learning differences.
8. Physical differences.
9. Health
10. Temperament
11. Environment
12. Family travels or moves a lot.
13. Family lives overseas.
14. Live in a very backass part of the country (see Texas).
15. Overcrowding in the school/schoolroom., lack of teaching time.
16. Commute time
17. crime/drugs/assault/sexual assault in the school
18. Political considerations (for instance lots of liberatarians and the "live-off-the-grid" anti-government folks.)
19. Kid has a special talent requiring a more flexible schedule with intensive school work and little "wasted time". Like a gymnast, dancer, musician, artist, etc.
20. Just cause they LIKE it!!

Take your pick of one or all of the possible combination!!


It's a great timesaver. It is so much more efficient. You cover in a few hours what may take a class days. One-on-one - or One-on-a-few are optimal ways of learning. You don't have to wait for anyone to catch up. You CAN have it repeated 10 times if you HAVE to. You don't have to wait for the class to be quiet, or calm down. You can learn it in the way that YOU learn best, now how the "average" person learns best. You don't have to line up to go to the bathroom or lunchroom. It really is a very effective mode of learning for people. It's designed "JUST FOR YOU" and no one else.

The most fun part is, you don't have to stick to a "schedule" or a "plan". If you want to go off on a tangent, get up and have a field trip in the middle of discussing worms - go out in the backyard and dig some up, etc... - then you can DO that. I tried to "stick with the standards" when I first brought my son home so if he went back he'd be "in line" with what they were doing. He was pretty bored with it though by the 2nd year. Ok son, what do YOU want to learn about. CHINA! So we studied China - in doing so we incorporated not only history, but mythology, reading, science, math (converting li to miles. Calculating how much it would cost to build the Great Wall in chinese money and how much would it cost today in Dollars and cents.

If your nine year old wants to study Algebra - and they can do it - albeit slowly - then why the hell not?

If he wants to take a middle school level Chemistry course on line and he can do it, then why not?

If he wants to spend a few months watching lectures on Ancient Egypt by a college professor, then go for it. He practiced his "note taking" while doing so.

Instead of just learning about some things in theory, you get out in the world and see how it really works. Calculate the cost of groceries, discounts. Figure out how much per oz something costs. How did it get there. Evaluate the nutritional content of different products. Buy stuff and make it yourself. Grow your own. Build it. Take it apart. Stay with a subject as long as you want. As long as you NEED. You don't have anyone else's timetable to adhere to. - oh and - do door-to-door - GET OUT THE VOTE with your mom, Go to political rallies, march in protests!

Some people are top down learners and some bottom up. Some are general to specifics, some are specific to general. School typically teaches bottom-up, specific - and some kids - like mine - are top down general to specific. He's a "global learner" which makes NO sense to people who DON'T learn that way. And sitting in a classroom that teaches it the other way around is torture.

People learn in different ways. They learn at different rates and stages. It's hard to accommodate that in the classroom. Typically most teachers are audio learners so that's how they teach - by "lecturing". However, some kids - more and more as a matter of fact - are visual learners, meaning they have to SEE it to understand it. Some kids are kinesthetic learners meaning they have to DO it to really understand it. Speaking of - some kids are just "antsy" - meaning they have to MOVE AROUND to learn best. Sitting perfectly still and "listening" is like death to them and they certianly can't learn that way.

Did you know that fluorescent lights can cause children to behave as if they're ADHD - but in fact, they are not. It's just the lighting that causes. it. Thus all those bewildering conversations between the teacher and the parents because the behaviour is so WILDLY different that each think the other is just CRAZY and/or in DENIAL or something. ooh - something else - have you LOOKED at textbook lately? So many colorful pictures and short little pull-outs. The page is a MESS of color and shape - they do it to "keep kids interested". For SOME kids! It's absolute HELL trying to use a textbook like that. If you're "visually distractable" it becomes almost impossible. Some kids want black and white text, maybe a line drawing or picts on some OTHER page, but just stick with the facts instead of trying to make it look like a PARTY on the page!

I found an Algebra text from the 50's that was GREAT for my son. Concise. Clear. Lots of "word problems" - though some were the cause of great mirth. "The bank manager makes $9.00 an hour and the teller makes $1.50. . . or Farmer John's granary hold XX bushels of wheat. He usually yields xx of wheat per acre, how many hectares does he have to plant to fill up the granary? Which also led to discussions about economics, inflation, life styles and how they differ from 50 years ago. Farming, ancestry - my folks and their folks, the depression, etc..........

Lots more connections are made. When we did study American History we did so by using it as a guide and filled it out with: an EMPHASIS on our State history (instead of a "different class"), we looked at what was going on in the world - not as in much detail, but an overall sense of what was going on and who was doing what - The French Revolution, The Opium Wars. We also incorporated - what was going on in Literature, Art, Music, Science, Inventions, during that same time period. I was amazed at what I didn't know had happen ed "concurrently - 'cause I - like most - was taught in little modules divorced from each other. American History. World History. Science, Lit. All devoid of any sense of each other. It's an amazing way to learn, I think, instead of compartmentalizing history the way it's usually taught.

That aside, for some kids, it's just the right thing to do. It works for them so why should people be upset about that? Yeah, there are some people who should no-way-in-hell be "homeschooling" their kid - but there's a few ps "teachers" out there - and some principals for that matter - who should no-way-in-hell be anywhere NEAR a kid! (No, I am NOT BASHING ALL TEACHERS!!! just a couple :) )

We were planning to hs temporarily - until we could get a different school for my older son. But it worked so well for him, he was SO HAPPY, that we kept doing it. He tried a couple of years ago to "go back" - he went to one semester of 8th grade. He HATED it. Everything about it. Not to mention - he was BORED OUT OF HIS FREAKING MIND!! (more on that if you want) so he came back home. He's now at an "alternative high school" where all the smart quirky kids go. People think they're a bunch of losers who never DO anything but nothing could be further from the truth. These kids are amazing! Anyway, if it wasn't for that school, he'd still be at home.

There's a homeschool group here on DU. It's pretty quiet but I'm sure if you're truly interested in information, and not just bashing - others will be glad to chime in!
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WillParkinson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 06:09 PM
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10. I did not watch it...
That's like people complaining about the contents of a movie that they did not see.

The boy has been interviewed and shown in different media formats and seems to be quite wise. You do yourself a disservice to not watch him and make up your mind from that.
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 07:35 PM
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13. Well for the same reason i don't watch 10 year olds
Talk to me about abortions or safe sex...they are children and no matter how wise they are should not be used like that.
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WillParkinson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 05:08 AM
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18. This video featured neither...
It is, naturally, your choice.
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Sky Masterson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 06:43 PM
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23. whattheeverlovenphuck?
You are way off base on this.
:eyes:
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Chemisse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 05:19 PM
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3. Why would a 10-year-old care about this issue?
And how many kids that age have even heard of LGBT?

Pretty much none, unless adults in their lives fed them the info and suggested the opinion to have on it.

I think that is really inappropriate. That poor kid is in for some serious teasing from peers.
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 05:29 PM
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4. obviously he's not a "typical" 10 year old.
He's very bright. And articulate!

A whole hell of a lot of "10-year-olds_ have heard of LGBT - all of my children were - BEFORE they were 10.

There are lesbian/gay teachers (OUT!) in my son's school. It's no big deal to them.

I applaud this kid for taking a stand. I don't believe he's being exploited. And as far as TEASING - well, now the school has a WONDERFUL opportunity to stop bullying. Besides, I expect this kid is more than able to hold his own in ANY debate on the subject.

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romantico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 05:47 PM
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6. Apparently
You don't know who this kid is. Last year he got in trouble and made news because he refused to say the pledge of the allegiance because he had issues with the "and liberty and justice for all" part. He's been around for the past year and was advocating for equality. Anyone who see's this as bad thing has issues of their own!

Here is the clip from last year

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoOIcqdll-w
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 06:11 PM
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11. my son refused to say the Pledge
at age 7 because he didn't "believe in God" - even though he grew up in Methodist Church. He would, however, SOMETIMES SAY "Under BUDDHA" when he turned nine if he was feeling ornery (which was often). (He embraced Buddhist philosophy, not the religion.)
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stillrockin67 Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 05:57 PM
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9. grade school teasing
You need to watch his television interview. This young man is not afraid of teasing.
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Neoma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 09:24 PM
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15. Not every ten year old is sheltered.
My friend's ten year old brother has heard about it. The argument went like this:

Ten year old: You're so gay.
Friend: You don't even know what that is!
Ten year old: Uh huh!
Friend: What does it mean then?
Ten year old: It means Lesbian!
Friend: You don't know what that means either!
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greiner3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 05:53 PM
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7. "I would be proud to call this boy my son!"
I'm glad he's human enough, even at this age, to know right from wrong. Good job!
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Sky Masterson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 06:31 PM
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22. Coolest kid evah!
:applause:
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 06:58 PM
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28. well - he IS pretty cool, but
I think MY kids are the coolest kids EVAH!!!!

:D
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