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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 09:29 PM
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Michael Moore on Countdown: 'I Think What's Bothering Them' Left Has Been Correct 'From Beginning'
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MSNBC Countdown w/ KEITH OLBERMANN - 10 Aug. 2010: Keith Olbermann interviews Michael Moore concerning Press Secretary Robert Gibbs comments today about criticism of the Obama administration from the Left.


OLBERMANN: "... Or as the President himself put it addressing the progressive Netroots Nation convention two weeks ago:"

OBAMA (VIDEO): "What I'm asking you is to keep making your voices heard, to keep holding me accountable, to keep up the fight. Change is hard, but if we've learned anything these past 18 months, it's that change is possible. It's possible when folks like you remember that fundamental truth of our democracy, that change doesn't come from the top down, it comes from the bottom up. It comes from the net roots, the grass roots, from every American who loves their country and believes they can make a difference."

OLBERMANN: "Mr. Obama's problem with his base, however, may have more to do with the contrast between Mr. Gibb's call for a reality check and candidate Obama's rejection of exactly that."

OBAMA (VIDEO): "No matter what obstacles stand in our way. Nothing can stand in the way of the power of millions of voices calling for change... We've been asked to pause for a reality check. We've been warned against offering the people of this nation false hope. But in the unlikely story that is America, there has never been anything false about hope..."

OLBERMANN: "First, joining us now, live from the Lincoln Center premiere of the new documentary 'The Tillman Story' about the friendly-fire victim Pat Tillman, is the filmmaker behind other documentary work such as 'SiCKO,' and 'Capitalism: A Love Story,' Michael Moore...

- snip -

OLBERMANN: "Let me ask you it this way, I don't know if I'm 'professional left' here, but I'm sure as hell sure that you are; your response to the interview Mr. Gibbs did and the statement he has released today."

MOORE: "Well, I've never heard the Left referred to with the word 'professional' attached. I don't know if I should take offense at that - first of all, it implies we're organized.

When Mr. Gibbs is worried about what people on the Left are smoking, from my experience, the person in the room who is most paranoid about who's smoking what is usually the person smoking the really heavy stuff. It was really just an odd, odd lashing out. I don't know, it's hot in Washington, I heard that excuse...

I think that's what's bothering them is that liberals and the left have been right from the beginning. From the beginning of this administraton, what did people on our side of the fence say? You should take over these banks temporarily and fire all the thieves who stole our money, but instead what did they do? They enabled them. They called for more offshore oil drilling. They expanded the war in Afghanistan. The stimulus package, they caved into the Republicans... Everything that we've been trying to push them to do has now come back to bite them in a profound way,
to the point to where they're very frightened, as they should be, about the election in a couple of months. And, frankly, we're frightened about it, too, because the last thing any of us want to have happen is for the Republicans to come back in any form of power in Congress, or wherever.

To go after your core base, the people that are really... the ones who go out there and carry the water for you, to do the hard work... It's like, I mean, this is the guy, , you don't want him drafting the fundraising letter for the next election cycle. It will begin something like: 'Dear Biggest Obama Supporters - You suck. Now send us money, please.'

- snip -

OLBERMANN: "... But when the two of them claim that the 'professional left,' again, to use their term, does no't represent voters on the left, A) Is that true? and B) If they don't represent anybody, why does it matter what they have to say?"

MOORE: "Well, of course, it's true that, I mean, the people, the Left, the liberal majority elected Barack Obama. I mean, the majority of Americans didn't want the other way. In fact, they didn't want it in such a large way, they not only elected him by millions of votes over John McCain, they wanted a solid majority in both the House and the Senate, a huge majority. That's what Americans said they wanted, because they wanted real change.

And, instead, what they've gotten is a sort of, you know, backing away every time that it comes to a fight with the people who've put us in this horrible situation to begin with.

And it's just so odd that the first thing that was off the top of his head was 'yeah, you know these people want Canadian health care.'

Well, YEAH.

Because what's Canadian health care except everyone is covered, which they won't be still. And it's gonna cost a third to half less, which is what it costs in Canada, which is what we pay.

Oh, and, by the way, people live almost three years longer than we do in Canada.


So, what, I just didn't understand why that was the first thing out of his mouth was the Canadian health care was the big thing they were worried about."

OLBERMANN: "Do you think the White House is missing one thing here, that voters can be both dissatisfied, but also still generally supportive of an administration, especially, as you pointed out earlier, considering the alternative?"

MOORE: "Yes. Yes, the hardcore base is going to show up and vote in November and vote for the Democrats, regardlessof all this hoo-hah that's going on. The problem, and they know this from their own polling, is that next large group of people that go to the soft middle, that voted for Obama, but are no longer enthused and excited, they know that the vote for Democratic politicians has been depressed now. And those people aren't going to vote for Republicans either. They're just going to stay home. And that's the biggest fear...

And it's a legitimate fear on their part, but to go after their base. I heard David Frum say something a few days ago - he said he's always had this theory that 'Republican politicians fear their base, but Democratic politicians hate their base.' That kind of hate ain't gonna get them elected again."

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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 09:42 PM
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1. "Hey, big Obama supporters: you suck! Now, give us lots of money."
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 10:30 PM
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5. And don't forget come election day: "Fuck you and shut up, now vote for us!"
That's the DLC's "winning" strategy...
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 02:38 AM
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20.  "you don't want him drafting the fundraising letter for the next election cycle."
Priceless.
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olegramps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 06:48 AM
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23. Its time for a Labor Party. Sorry to say it but, Fuck Obama. He failed us.
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Mnpaul Donating Member (754 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 09:47 PM
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49. Take the DFL nationwide
The Democratic Farmer Labor Party - Mn
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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 08:55 AM
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52. I agree with this. Is MN the only state the DFL
is allowed to run candidates in?
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Mnpaul Donating Member (754 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 01:40 PM
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53. It is the only place it exists
I imagine they could start one elsewhere
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 09:49 PM
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2. I have a slight disagreement with Michael Moore....I believe we're still
living in the old days. I haven't seen enough change to get revved up going into the next election....but I always enjoy listening to M.M.'s common sense.
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pam4water Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 10:11 PM
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3. K&R Go Keith! "Progressive tend to believe bad policy is bad policy no matter who is in the White
Edited on Tue Aug-10-10 10:17 PM by pam4water
House". That's us!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 10:18 PM
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4. "Your orders will be in the mail."
;)
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 10:37 PM
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6. LOL. thank you, comrade
Moore makes a lot of good points.
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erodriguez Donating Member (532 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 08:17 AM
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27. hehe
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 11:04 PM
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7. knr nt
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 11:14 PM
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8. K&R n/t
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 11:33 PM
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9. I don't understand what is so
objectionable to the Whitehouse. In one breath Obama says, "Make me do it. Keep fighting!" Now they want us to shut up.

Great piece by MM and KO.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 10:06 AM
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31. Well, like the Public Option, Obama didn't really mean it.
Edited on Wed Aug-11-10 10:09 AM by bvar22
He just thought it sounded good at the time and would get him some votes.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 10:45 AM
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33. In the run up to
final HCR legislation Obama wasn't at all convincing if he did support the Public Option. It didn't sound good enough. Like you say, it felt like he didn't mean it. We don't like being treated that way.
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 06:08 PM
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43. "Make me do it"
Anyone else remember 'empowerment' at work?

Employees were supposed to help set their own expectations.

"How long will this project take?"

"Realistically, six months."

"Oh, that's too long, say you can do it in three; sign right here."

Then when it actually took six months, it wasn't that manager's fault it was yours because you 'said' you could do it in three.

Just blame shifting, pure and simple.

Same shit here.

"Make me do it."

You can't make any president do anything.

Zero. Zip. Nada.


But now it's your fault!


WHAT A MOTHER. FUCKING. BUNCH. OF. CRAP. THAT. IS!

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Loudmxr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 11:40 PM
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10. i thought the post read "...correct since Beatlemania" Which is, of course, right.
I'm on my laptop. And it was in red. I have a hard time reading red. And sometimes blue. How abut you? :blush:
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 11:48 PM
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11. great job MM!!! sorry to those who agree with Gibbs (and I'm glad)
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TheEuclideanOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 12:19 AM
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12. So you want to piss off the people who are professionals?
Sure, get the talk show hosts, bloggers, columnists and the most vocal people on the planet to go on and on about what the administration has not accomplished. It is not enough to have the right doing it non-stop from the day that Obama took office.

Obama had the easiest job in the world, if his job was to win a second term. He knew exactly what that easy plan was. It was to listen to Senator Obama. Do that and you are a fucking god! If you chose to ignore that brilliant Senator Obama once or twice, people will cut you some slack. If you do it over and over again, the result will be clear and is being realized. Sadly, after blowing opportunity after opportunity to be the greatest president in history, he chose failure and can almost guarantee no second term at this point. Don't forget, now there is no Acorn because you threw them under the bus. There are also now huge corporations with endless pockets who do not even have to disclose that they are supporting the people that are on the opposite side of the democratic party's spectrum.
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Sherman A1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 04:57 AM
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22. Agreed & Well Said
Unfortunate that I must agree with you, but you hit the nail on the head.
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 08:49 AM
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28. Obama had the easiest job in the world,
Edited on Wed Aug-11-10 08:54 AM by AlbertCat
That has to be one of the stupidest things ever typed on a keyboard.


Yeah.... and playing a Bach organ fugue is the easiest thing in the world too.... just hit the right notes at the right time!

:eyes:


I think what you mean to say is Obama had a HUGE mandate and momentum to get things done that he has allowed to completely fizzle.


All politics aside, I tell ya.... what's destroying this country is the utter lack of critical, logical thinking!



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TheEuclideanOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 12:02 PM
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36. Well, let me rephrase that
Actually, your own rephrasing I think captured what I was trying to say. Yes, in Presidential terms, having a Huge Mandate, unprecedented momentum and a Majority in both houses is about as good as you can get. He knew exactly what he had to do in no uncertain terms. We know that because he is the one who said it. On top of all of that, he had probably the biggest gift of all, which was somebody demonstrating what DOESN'T work for almost a decade straight. So, if there is ever a doubt of what will not work, he just had to look at extreme recent history.

I am a proud member of the Non-Republican party. My position is that any party can do a better job than the Republicans. I would have loved to have a nice 8 years saying "Fuck you, this is how it is done!" to those Ditto heads and Beck fans. I think that if they win the next election, the hardest pill to swallow is going to be knowing that these fucking scumbags who have spent the last two years trying everything imaginable to prevent the country from getting back on track will now think that they were right all along.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 11:18 AM
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35. Absolutely. nt
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Political Tiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 12:28 AM
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13. MOORE: "Well, I've never heard the Left referred to with the word 'professional' attached.
"It’s very hard for someone on the professional left to put anything ahead of the politics, and that’s why they lose out." -Michael Moore, 2004
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/5264699/ns/entertainment-movies/38366438

Oh what a tangled web we weave, When first we practise to deceive!



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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 12:36 AM
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14. It was a joke.
He wasn't being serious. Jeez...
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Political Tiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 12:44 AM
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15. Which one?
What he said last night or what he said in 2004?
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 01:41 AM
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17. Last night.
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pocoloco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 07:32 AM
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25. Remind me what the professional left was doing for the people in 2004??
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 09:36 AM
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30. LOL
Edited on Wed Aug-11-10 09:44 AM by liberation
Argumentum ad nitpicktum having to take a joke off context, jeez that is not a desperate attempt at demagogy at all.
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 09:29 PM
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46. I think you wet yourself on that one.
And people are telling me I get too caught up! Just wow! Time for you to have a beer or something.:toast:
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NBachers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 09:33 PM
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47. Whats a matter, is your caps lock broken?
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scarface2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 01:38 AM
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16. i feel exactly like michael
obama needs to take the fight to them
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 01:43 AM
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18. MM making sense again. Just one thing
He quoted David Frum:

'Republican politicians fear their base, but Democratic politicians hate their base.


I would say it's more like this:

Republican politicians fear their base, and Democratic politicians fear the Republican base also


See how quickly they got rid of Shirley Sherrod out of fear of the Republican noise machine.

Same thing with Van Jones and ACORN and anyone targeted by the Republicans.

But will they be as quick to get rid of Gibbs considering the huge fallout from the left? I doubt it.
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SharksBreath Donating Member (381 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 04:08 AM
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21. Exactly. I always say
The Republicans are scared shitless of everything.

And Dems in office are scared shitless by Republicans.

It's like being scared of the kid who always get's bullied at school.

Being scared of the kid who's scared of the boogeyman even though you know the boogeyman does not exist.

You used some great examples.

Shriley Sherrod, ACORN.

Fox News is a 24 hour fear channel.

Yet the Wh cares what Fox News is pushing.

It's fucking unbelievable.

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florida08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 07:17 AM
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24. yes indeed
and their misguided anger towards us proves it. They just don't have the cajones to oppose them.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 02:33 AM
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19. K & R & Bookmarked. eom
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 07:55 AM
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26. Moore understands average voters, which is something Obama's
administration is sorely lacking. They should hire him as an advisor and get rid of that idiot Rahm.
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Shining Jack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 09:25 AM
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29. K&R
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 10:35 AM
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32. "Everything that we've been trying to push them to do has now come back to bite them"
:patriot:
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txlibdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 04:11 PM
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54. Yeah, it seems like MM meant to expand upon that a bit more
Like maybe "Everything that we've been trying to push them to do -but that they've failed to do- has now come back to bite them."

Or, what we've been trying to push them to do, they do a half-assed job on and water it down with right wing crap hoping to get the Repubs to vote for it -- but they never voted for it anyway. So we ended up with a watered down piece of crap that we still needed 60 votes to push through.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 11:16 AM
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34. So Gibbs says that we should back the President no matter what his policies are while Obama
says that we should hold his feet to the fire...AND that "Change comes from the bottom up, not the top down" (in other words; "it's YOUR fault that I've fucked you over and there is no Change"). Talk about talking out of both sides of your mouth AND out of your ass! No, these clowns DO NOT have my support in the future. I will search for an alternative or write in my own choice. I owe them nothing since obviously they feel that they don't owe any of the non-wealthy anything at all.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 02:29 PM
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41. -- +1000% --
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 09:08 PM
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45. Concisely put... n/t
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 12:53 PM
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37. K&R
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 12:56 PM
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38. That's both insightful and funny. Thank you, comrade. k&r n/t
-Laelth
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activa8tr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 12:58 PM
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39. That was one of the best segments on Keith's show in weeks! IMO n/t
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 02:26 PM
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40. LOVE MICHAEL MOORE ..... re Frum comments, we need to have Dems FEAR the base . ...
that's what leverage over the party is --



And it's just so odd that the first thing that was off the top of his head was 'yeah, you know these people want Canadian health care.'

Well, YEAH.

Because what's Canadian health care except everyone is covered, which they won't be still. And it's gonna cost a third to half less, which is what it costs in Canada, which is what we pay.

Oh, and, by the way, people live almost three years longer than we do in Canada.


They know no one bought the scam that America can't have MEDICARE FOR ALL --

We can't only because too many of our politicans are pre-owned and pre-bribed by

health care industry to do their dirty work for them!!

And, they've succeeded once more --
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RussBLib Donating Member (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 02:39 PM
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42. Maybe the left would not be so depressed right now....
...if Obama had really tried to live up to his own campaign message. He caved on one thing after another because the big, bad Republicans opposed him.

And of course we have too many ineffectual, bought-and-paid-for Democrats in office who don't know how to fight or don't want to fight.

Just one example: The Dems just sat on their hands while the Estate Tax went to 0% for 2010. Why not? Just give up several billion in revenue. What the hell. They could have reversed it if they had a spine, and if Obama pushed them.

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Liberalynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 06:30 PM
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44. Brilliantly said Mr. Moore and Mr. Oblerman
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 09:40 PM
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48. MM nailed it here:
...the people, the Left, the liberal majority elected Barack Obama. I mean, the majority of Americans didn't want the other way. In fact, they didn't want it in such a large way, they not only elected him by millions of votes over John McCain, they wanted a solid majority in both the House and the Senate, a huge majority. That's what Americans said they wanted, because they wanted real change.

And, instead, what they've gotten is a sort of, you know, backing away every time that it comes to a fight with the people who've put us in this horrible situation to begin with.


:applause:
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Mnpaul Donating Member (754 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 09:51 PM
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50. The left has been correct going back even farther
Look at the votes for NAFTA, look at the votes for the repeal of Glass Steagal, look at the votes for the Commodities Futures Modernization Act, look at the votes for the Iraq War. I did. Guess what I found?
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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 08:53 AM
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51. Oh yeah. We're fucking Nostradamus................
going all the way back to the 60s or earlier. The Left has supported the best policies for all the people all of the time. And when we've gotten ANY sort of proof, it's been proven. Fat lot of good it's done us to be right though. The capitalists just sell bullshit to the people with slick marketing and no one even remembers who was right.
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 04:59 PM
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55. "The capitalists just sell bullshit to the people...and no one even remembers who was right"
Ain't that the truth!

There have to be long term penalties for being wrong when it affects us all.

"Looking ahead and not back" is not acceptable.

When someone (or some corporation) proves that they can't be trusted behind the wheel, we have to take away their license.
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ElectricLightDem Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 09:22 AM
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56. It appears as if the mixed messages this administration is....
...spewing forth is being ignored in the responses here. Near the begining of the segment, Keith pointed out that just a few short weeks ago Mr. President was 'preaching' for the left to continue to make their voices heard. Now we have his Chief Communications Official spewing his "the left is too vociferous in their criticism" meme. It leads me to ask, "Just what the hell is going on with this administration?" If it wasn't bad enough that the deck continues to get stacked against those more closely aligned with Main St. (vs. Wall St.), now it appears as if those leaders on which so much depends are rudderless. I try to look into my crystal ball for some insight into the future, but I can't see through the storm clouds contained within.
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