MSNBC's Karen Finney: Cain Is a Black Man That Knows His Place

[Grassy Knoll]

Run time: 00:31 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmlgTS4vuWs   Posted on YouTube: October 28, 2011 By YouTube Member: MSNBCEchoChamber Views on YouTube: 323   Posted on DU: October 29, 2011 By DU Member: Grassy Knoll Views on DU: 5684

 
**The Repug blogs are up in arms, Calling her a white lib racist, But don't
bother to look up the fact that her father is a black man.**

[alp227]

1. her MESSAGE is still racist though. unrec

c'mon we should know better than slavery analogies. This afr-am blogger (http://ebonymompolitics.wordpress.com/2011/10/29/karen-finney-says-the-gop-like-herman-cain-because-he-is-a-black-man-who-knows-his-place/) criticized Finney and that blogger is far from conservative. and i've never heard of Finney before, but she's a Democratic strategist so maybe she's got insight on other issues other than scolding fellow blacks who disagree with her. rather than "Uncle Tom" cheap shots we should explore WHY people like Cain choose to be conservative.

[Exultant Democracy]

4. You are wrong she was 100% right. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck... you need only to

look at the way Rush and the other right wing nutters jump on the Cain quotes with glee.

[alp227]

5. Not a defense at all. Clarify please?

"Knowing his place" = conservative? (And acknowledging the conservative control of talk radio and the political message.)

[Exultant Democracy]

10. The point is the republican like him because to them he is an example of a "black person who knows

his place." I don't see what need clarification or why pointing out the obvious could be construed as racist. Herman Cain is a real life Uncle Ruckus that is her point and Cain proves it almost ever time he opens up his mouth.

What is your angle?

[alp227]

11. I won't look at it from a racial angle but object based on Cain's religious and economic views.

for example his views on abortion and how he said "blame yourself" to unemployed people. Who cares if he's white, black, Asian, or a native American, his political views are just plain repugnant. But Cain is leading the GOP polls right now, so there's gotta be SOMETHING about him appealing to those voters.

[AlbertCat]

27. Who cares if he's white, black, Asian, or a native American,

The Repugs do.... that's the whole point.

He's their token. Like Sarah Palin was there token woman to be a foil for Hillary, Cain is the foil for Obama. Their choices are so utterly lame in their views, which are against their own best interests, they are examples of what Repugs think, in Palin's case, women and in this case blacks "should" be. It's all bad theatre.

"But Cain is leading the GOP polls right now, so there's gotta be SOMETHING about him appealing to those voters."

He's simplistic. He's not Mormon. He's doesn't come across batshit crazy. He's doesn't appear snooty rich. It's a process of elimination.

Just like Palin, I don't think the "big boys" in the GOP are gonna ever allow him any real power. He'd be another cardboard cutout Prez, like Bush Jr.

[stockholmer]

12. I really think your Uncle Ruckus comment is racist, it sickens me,if Cain were white you would never

remark on his so-called race, yet because he is black, he has to fit some approved paradigm. What utter rot.

Cain's politics are poison, he is an opportunist fuck, a former regional Federal Reserve Bank chairman, and many other bad (IMHO) things, but ffs, leave the racial shit out of it please.

[Exultant Democracy]

15. Cain is the racist black man not me, it seems pretty self evident.

Neither is Aaron McGruder, Uncle Ruckus isn't just made up bullshit it s based on a history of race traitors like Cain.

Accusations against people like me who call him out only support his poisonous form of racism.

[alp227]

16. this whole "race traitor" thing is a pile of dog feces

it only confirms racial stereotypes. in fact, CONs use the race traitor concept to denigrate white liberal politicians, too.

[Exultant Democracy]

17. Just because it is crazy when white people say it doesn't mean it is crazy when black people say it

in fact quite the opposite is true. I was literally against the law when I was conceived and I'm not that old when any white person can say that they can talk about race traitors or question the right of African Americans to.

[sulphurdunn]

20. The woman is only saying

what a lot of people are thinking.

[Jack Rabbit]

2. Of course they'll call her a racist

These are the same people who claim that no one called John Lewis a nigger, no one called Barney Frank a faggot, and that a placard with a picture of Obama dressed as an African shaman with a bone in his nose is not racist.

[Exultant Democracy]

3. She is absolutely right but she failed to mention the correspondence with the Niggerhead ranch story

as soon as niggerhead ranch when public the republicans panicked and the best solution to the PR problem they faced was propping up Cain.

[alp227]

7. why is she right? words like this only hurt our side

and fail to point out WHY people like Cain, or in other cases Michelle Malkin, are wrong in their messages. It's hypocritical to preach multiculturalism and racial tolerance yet consider conservatism and being of color incompatible. Yes, we can all agree that conservatism is a bad ideology, but conservative exploit things like what Finney says to weaken our message and make the rhetoric indefensible.

[Grassy Knoll]

8. "Our Side" WTF .....

Like we are blind to what you post.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[trumad]

21. LOL---I love the "our side" comments

See them all the time and wonder--- what is "our side"?

[alp227]

6. 6 likes, 62 dislikes! Obviously some indefensible stuff right here.

Comments flooded with conservatives too, must've been linked from Drudge...oh on edit, i see that the user name "MSNBCEchoChamber" doesn't sound like a liberal's Youtube channel AT ALL but rather this channel is used to CRITICIZE MSNBC.

[Grassy Knoll]

9. Point proven..

You get most of your negative crap from drudge report, If Not All , very disturbing ,
You are aware MATT IS GAY, Right ? Nothing wrong with that , but hypocritical at best.

[Politicalboi]

13. Just like the women of the GOP

They know their place, and they say so. GLADLY.

[Worship Money]

14. This is true

I gotta say, I completely disagree with this nonsense about "leaving race out of the picture".

This is just bunk. It may be unfortunate, but race MATTERS. Idiotic and evil people not all that long ago created a system where race began to matter. It will matter until eventually a generation far from now will be so chronologically distant from the era of racism that it will be just null and void. We are not even close to that point in history.

The key is to accept that race is a factor in just about anything, and from that point figuring out how to still champion justice and fairness for everyone. This "hush hush don't talk about race!" panic plays right into right wing hands, to take off the table an issue that they are blatantly involved in in a negative (to say the least) fashion.

So yes. Cain is such a dandy because he gives the Tea Party fuckers a way to claim they're not racist, and because he has an interest in denying the monstrous structural racism that is endemic to right wing ideology.

[waronxmas]

18. Anyone who unrec's this is fooling themselves because

She is absolutely correct. Republicans love Cain because he plays the role of not being uppity towards them and there is a subset that thinks it will win them the election. There has been this viral video going around with black republicans saying most black people vote Democratic because the Democratic has lied to them for 60 years and they really aren't Democrats. In other words "you're too stupid to know what you are voting for, so listen to us because we know what's right for you." They, and a large amount of republicans now, have deluded themselves into thinking that the mere presence of a black man on the republican ticket will split the black vote and cause them to win the election. You know, just like what happened in Illinois in '04 when Alan Keyes triumphantly defeated candidate Obama...

[alp227]

19. well CONs have used similar language

Including an obsession with calling the Democratic Party a "plantation", and Laura Ingraham claiming that Obama lacks blackness, and Rush Limbaugh making similar comment. So those bloggers have no real basis if they stood by Ingraham or Limbaugh or the other commentators in my 1st link.

[sulphurdunn]

23. There is a difference.

Even MSNBC is corporate media. Right wingers are the servants of corporate media and can say pretty much whatever they want. Others can't. I predict that Ms.Finney will be forced to perform an act of public contrition (like Ed Schultz)because she has offended the right wing or she will be flushed down the memory hole (like Keith Olbermann)because he wouldn't let management ruin his show.

[Slit Skirt]

22. this is a black man who has no problem at all

spewing what his white "brothers" (Koch Bros) are tell him to say. This guy is a joke and a pawn. He sold his soul to the devil. Karen Finney is RIGHT

[SharksBreath]

24. Wake me when an elected Republican take back their racist comments

about the president.

I guess Perry talking about his birth certificate has nothing to do with the fact Obama is black.

I guess that's not a dog whistle.

Please. No wonder the Dems in Congress act like such pussies.

From some of the posts on this site it seems as though being scared shitless of what the Republican party will do is in a lot liberals DNA.

[nonoxy9]

25. The GOP loves gays, union workers, trial laywers, and scientists that...

Know their place, love money more than anything, and vote to have their own rights taken away. Ignorance is bliss!

[alp227]

29. We're disputing whether "knowing one's place" is in a racist context by Finney.

I brought that up, others disagreed, and now I'm starting to consider reluctantly that this is not from a racial but rather a political angle, as RepubliCONS insist that everyone conform to the "American ideal" and keep rights out of reach. that's why Republicans have invested so much in corporate propaganda, union busting, voter disenfranchisement, and suffocating government in the bathwater. They want a submissive electorate who won't question them. Of course the right wingers can't stand being confronted with the consequences of their strategy. That's why on the comments section of this Youtube video there's all this racial venting against Finney.

[Roy Rolling]

26. Rainbows and Unicorns

If some here are offended by candid language then you cannot salute the flag of "free speech." If progressives cannot be more thick-skinned (regardless of color) about the issue of race, then how will we react when taunted into violent confrontations? The "kill the messenger" response mentality is off-base and way off-topic.

I think everyone agrees that bigotry and racism are dishonorable human traits. To spend time labeling what we think are particular examples of them, and to define at what level it is okay to be offended is a waste of time.

[alp227]

28. just remembered, here's the article explaining the development of Cain's political views

Cain says that some of the sharpest discrimination he has felt is not from whites, but from fellow blacks intolerant of his conservative views.

In an interview, Cain said he had voted Democratic for much of his young-adult life because of the party’s support of the civil rights movement. He became an independent as he began to climb the corporate ladder. Then in 1996, he campaigned for his friend Jack Kemp, the Republican vice presidential nominee that year.

Cain recalled joining Kemp for a campaign event in Harlem, where a crowd of Democratic demonstrators had gathered outside.

“There was a very large muscular black guy standing in the crowd,” he said. “And there were about seven or eight of us who were black who were with Jack. And this black guy said, ‘Black Republicans?’ — real loud, I’ll never forget it — ‘Black Republicans? There’s no such thing as a black Republican. You guys must be Uncle Toms.’ ”

The man’s insult “haunted me,” Cain said. A week later, he was driving by the voter registration office and, on a whim, changed his designation to Republican.

“You want to know why? Nobody will tell me how to think. Or what my beliefs are. Or what my party affiliation ought to be,” he said. “I was so resentful of that expectation of what I ought to do. In defiance of that expectation, I registered as a Republican.”

("", Washington Post, 10/21/11

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