Elizabeth Kucinich: My Husband Would "Absolutely" Consider Running With Ron Paul

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Run time: 06:08 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHpnLV1gUZY   Posted on YouTube: November 17, 2007 By YouTube Member: Views on YouTube: 0   Posted on DU: November 24, 2007 By DU Member: Renew Deal Views on DU: 2770

 
I found this here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/11/23/elizabeth-kucinich-my-hu_n_73905.html

Kucinich's wife says that Dennis could run with Ron Paul. She says that they're both "truth tellers." It comes up with 2:05 left in the video.

[Iris]

1. aren't the truths each one tells a little different?

I don't see them as being all that compatible.

[krkaufman]

49. Well, yes and no. The Iraq war "truths" they tell may be identical, but ...

... it's when they venture into their beliefs on whether a liberal/progressive or conservative/libertarian approach to guiding the country is best that the differences are stark.

It's ridiculous to say that either would be on the other's Presidential ticket. They have polar opposite views on everything but Iraq.

[KingFlorez]

2. I guess Ron Paul's radical positions on other issues mean nothing

[Justitia]

3. OMFG. Uh, Dennis, a response please? -eom

[onehandle]

8. ...and quick. nt

[tekisui]

4. I hope she doesn't speak for Dennis Kucinich.---nt

[tekisui]

5. If this is even a possibility I will have to re-think sending DK money on the 15th.

[Inspired]

9. How ironic that Paul is having the same kind of fundraiser. n/t

[radiclib]

6. I'm going to pretend I didn't see this

Maybe she doesn't know who Ron Paul is. Maybe she means Pope John Paul. Or Les Paul. :crazy:

[Justitia]

7. Or, RuPaul? Or JohnGeorgeRingoandPaul? LOL -eom

[radiclib]

10. Damn! I knew I was close!

That's it! KUCINICH/RU PAUL '08 :rofl:

[Recursion]

14. Paul and Kucinich have been friends for years...

...and each of them has publicly spoken very highly of their respect for the other.

They also both agree about the problems America faces, though their proposed solutions are 180 degrees apart.

[gateley]

21. Les Paul I could go for! nt

[Steepler0t]

11. Not good...

I have been a huge Kucinich supporter, if this is true. (which is obviously does look very true)

I am done. No idea who I am supporting, maybe not even voting, probably write in Jello Biafra again or something.

What a total letdown. I am posting a question regarding this on DK forums, but it does not look good.

[gateley]

22. To be fair, it wasn't Dennis who said it - so don't give up hope yet. nt

[Steepler0t]

33. I may have overreacted

I hope so.

[gateley]

46. Understandable -- just wait and see what Dennis has to say. The way this

question was framed to her was kind of leading, too.

[seriousstan]

12. She is soon to be taken to the woodshed, if Dennis can do it.

I am beginning to wonder who is in charge of this campaign.

[aquart]

13. Oops.

[Lorien]

15. A lot of ugly comments on YouTube

it seems like a lot of knuckle draggers are lurking around there.

[Steepler0t]

18. Sigh..

What do you expect, suddenly DK is the darling of all the knuckle-dragging Ron Paul "libertarians" whacking off to Ayn Rand.

O0o0o0o lookit Elizabeth, I'd hit it! Fine ass on her yeah baby. etc.

Bad move Elizabeth, maybe she just doesn't know repugs here in the USA.

[GeneCosta]

16. Right..

It's no secret Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich are friends. I'd take a Kucinich/Paul ticket over Hillary/Anyone.

Note that I place Kucinich first.

[Lasher]

24. Oh goody, you picked Kucinich first.

What a fine Democrat you are!

[krkaufman]

50. chuckle. n/t

[ORDagnabbit]

17. I think the cross over would be awesome!!!!

[Jim Sagle]

19. Whadda piece o' shit.

[emlev]

20. The question was whether DK would consider being RP's running mate

not whether Dennis would choose Ron Paul as his running mate/VP. To me, those are interestingly different questions.

[bridgit]

23. whoopsy!! stick a fork in someone...they're done...

x(

[Downtown Hound]

25. Personally I think people are overreacting to this

It's something his wife said he would consider. Dennis himself said nothing, and I wouldn't worry about a thing until he said he actually was running with Ron Paul. Then I'd pull the plug. Until then let's all chill. Politics is still politics. There's a lot of potential votes for Dennis in the Ron Paul camp. I have no problem with going after their votes as long as Dennis doesn't sacrifice his integrity on his positions, and I see no sign of that happening here. If we are to dump our candidates and write them off every time somebody close to them says something we might consider misguided or stupid, we wouldn't have anybody left.

Maybe that's one of the major differences between ourselves and the freepers. We rip our candidates to shreds every time they say something stupid (or one of their spouses does). Freepers, on the other hand, stand by George W. Bush even though everything he says is stupid.

[tekisui]

26. Maybe that is the difference.....we don't accept stupidity.

I'm okay with that. DK is my candidate, but I won't entertain Paul anywhere near him.

[Downtown Hound]

28. Everyone has stupid moments

Politicians are human, and humans are imperfect.

[tekisui]

44. Sure, but it up to us to point those stupid moments out,

and steer them away from stupid or damaging ideas.

[krkaufman]

51. ... and campaigns generally exist to vet candidates of their propensity ...

... for stupid ideas and associated actions.

Of course, this was supposedly only uttered by the candidate's wife, so it's an issue only for further review, to determine DK's actual position.

[cascadiance]

27. And supposedly the Kerry camp "considered" McCain too...

I don't think we should take her comments too literally.

I'd like to interpret them as saying "We want to be a voice for truth in the Democratic Party. Ron Paul appears to be the same in his party. Though there might be a lot of fundamental differences in philosophy between us, where we'd likely agree between us is that America needs a set of candidates that they can believe are truthful to them and have stances that are truly their own and what they feel the American PEOPLE want, not other sets of nebulous special interests that make it so they have to parse their public image to the rest of us."

The fact that both Kucinich and Paul I think are the most "genuine" to their people and gaining a lot of grass roots support for that I think speaks loudly for a huge bipartisan cry from the American people for some folks in charge who they are feeling would be honest with them.

I think that might also be a reason for the big surge in Huckabee's campaign in Iowa too. I think voters are seeing similar characteristics that he has in that regard too.

[Downtown Hound]

29. 'Dat be true, Kerry supposedly did 'dat

Can you imagine what the reaction would be if he said that now? LOL! Even then, back when McLame still had a teeny, tiny ounce of respectability that was dwindling very rapidly, I knew such talk was just that, only talk. It would never happen. And I can guarantee everybody here that a Kucinich/Paul ticket will never happen. It's just a little bit of political maneuvering going on.


And while we're talking about mismatched tickets, let us not forget that Al Gore actually ran with Joe Lieberman. Although I have no true love for Ron Paul, I give the man credit for speaking out against the war in the way that he has. Lieberman, on the other hand, has had his nose up Bush's ass regarding the whole damn thing from the beginning. And this is after Bush/Cheney stole what was rightfully his in 2000. How pathetic is that? Thank you sir may I have another? Geez. I love Al Gore and admire him immensely, but the worst mistake he ever made was in selecting that horse's ass as a running mate.

[cascadiance]

32. My guess is that Lieberman was the start of Gore becoming "un-DLC"...

I think Lieberman was the pick of his "political consultants" to help him "distance himself" from Clinton, since Lieberman pointedly criticized Clinton during the impeachment amongst other things.

I think some of the biggest mistakes Gore made in that campaign was to play that "distance himself game" instead of just being himself. At the time, I thought emphasizing his efforts towards helping environmental causes amongst other things would be something he should have emphasized then. It CERTAINLY would help him now. Instead we got Lieberman, and also things like him pointedly criticizing Ms. Sanchez out here in California arranging a fundraiser at the Playboy Mansion. That was another gesture that was designed more to making him "not Clinton" that I think hurt him and other Dems more than it helped. He didn't have to support that effort, but could have made a point to ignore it if he didn't want to get tied to it in anyway.

I think Gore saw through what his consultants were doing to his campaign then, and turned more grass roots in the closing part of that campaign, and I'm guessing that's why we had the powers that be in Washington more aligned against him in the court battles of the recounts, etc. in Florida. I'm sure he knows of a lot of ugly behind the scenes efforts in that area that I'm guessing is why he's really a lot more anti-DLC than one would expect from one that stood with their founders when he was VP.

I don't think it was coincidence that he po'd Lieberman in 2004 during that election by not consulting him before making endorsements, etc. My guess is that those two have NO love for each other.

[krkaufman]

54. Ummm... Lieberman is heavy DLC.

I'd love to know Gore's actual reasoning in choosing Lieberman, but I expect he was chosen for (1) his decrying Clinton's sexual exploits, as a way of distancing Gore from Clinton's behavior, and (2) to help with the Florida vote.

However much I love Al, his choice of Lieberman underscores his human fallibility. If it were needed.

[krkaufman]

52. Unfortunately, if either Paul or DK were frontrunners, you'd find them ...

... considerably less forthright, I expect. Such is the nature of politics in current-day America.

[krkaufman]

53. Huckabee's surge is likely related to his being the only candidate ....

... passing the Right Wing Christian Fundi screening. He definitely has an opening against the cross-dressing, 3-time wed Giuliani and Romney, the heretic.

[tblue37]

30. Blech! Is DK completely unaware of what Ron Paul

stands for on every other issue? This is such an ignorant statement that I hope his wife is totally off the reservation on it, but if she said it, my guess is that he has said it to her, which would be a disastrous error on his part.

Damned fool.

[CGowen]

31. why not ... better than dictatorship and martial law n/t

[durrrty libby]

34. As DU has a collective stroke

*snort*

[MuseRider]

36. You can snort all you want.

Most of us love his positions but we are not the hero worshipers you all seem to think we are. If this is true we move on and look for someone else. Sad, but he is just another politician and god knows we have all been let down before.

I find it always so telling when someone rejoices seeing others lose their faith. Get over yourself, this is important and not some silly childish game.

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[MuseRider]

38. Ahh the response I expected.

You never let us down. Too bad you can't read or maybe you just choose not to, it is just too much fun to be nasty. You really should read what people write before you respond. It does not look very smart thus the snort is rather ineffective.

He is just another guy, like the other guys. If this is true we move on to someone else. It is, as I said, not a game but serious business.

[MuseRider]

35. Waiting for confirmation

or explanation from Dennis himself. If this is true I will have made a mistake and he will not be someone I can support. After all this time for this to happen. There is no way in hell he could explain this properly to me. Nope, this is sad if true.

[Lasher]

39. Elizabeth Kucinich said it, that part doesn't need to be confirmed.

That is, unless she has an evil twin. She says it in the video clip toward the end.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/11/23/elizabeth-kucinich-my-hu_n_73905.html

Even if Dennis refutes her claim, we will still be left with the knowlege that his spouse and our potential first lady has a runaway mouth. Although I've not made up my mind, Kucinich has been my favorite Democratic candidate. Like you I am having second thoughts now.

[MuseRider]

40. Yea

I wonder about a lot of things. I tend to trust no one who wants to run my government but Kucinich was the closest I could find to someone I could trust enough to support. Over the years I have learned more about him and become comfortable with that support. I am not having second thoughts really, just waiting. I do know that there had better be a good explanation about why she said this. I don't care that they are friends but I do care if DK would overlook the rest of this nutbags positions just for votes or feel they are not important enough to count him out. I will unemotionally dump him flat if he does because once again I will lose trust and realize he was never who I thought he was. It sucks but it is what it is. They all make mistakes, some are forgivable if there is a good explanation but some are not. This would be one of the is not forgivable.

[Lasher]

41. Right, this can not be overlooked.

It makes no sense to support someone who might team up with and support another person who is almost the exact opposite of what I want my representatives to stand for.

If you dump DK who would be your next choice?

[MuseRider]

42. I have no idea.

I don't care for the rest of them. Partly because I don't like the way the campaigns are run, the Hollywood feel of it all, and partly I don't like their policies.

I guess you could say I truly hate politics these days. Shallow and without strong commitment, fingers in the air, bands and celebrity. Yuk. Money money money. A waste of time and resources without real solutions, just bandaids.

I have no clue. You?

[Lasher]

43. I'm not sure but I'm thinking maybe Edwards.

Or maybe Obama. I'm not enthusiastic about Hillary because I'm not a fan of dynasties, and she is too much of a triangulating centrist. Just gut feeling more or less here. I haven't really made up my mind as I said.

Please don't get so frustrated that you don't vote. We make a choice whether we like it or not. The 'least bad' candidate is the same as the 'best' one. Electing the worst Democrat would be much better than continuing this Republican nightmare.

[MuseRider]

45. Never said I would not vote

but the candidates we have running are so uninspiring to me and incompatible with everything I believe in that I don't know what I will do. I would have voted for Edwards the last time around but this time I can't. Obama will never get my vote after the McClurkin deal, not a chance in hell and that is only part of the reason. Clinton, well I feel as you do but I don't see her as a centrist. To me she is much farther to the right. I feel that the "least bad" of our candidates is just as bad as a Republican. To continue the policies that are hurting our country but making them seem less bad is almost worse than just outright continuance. I guess I have to say that I will have a lot of thinking to do but I will vote.

[krkaufman]

55. "dynasties" .... that will be my favorite Republican talking point.

If we nominate Hillary, it won't be long before the Republicans start highlighting the fact that the country has been run by a Bush or Clinton for the last 20 years, 2 decades, and Hillary would be more of the same, elitist dynasties. The Republican candidate would be portrayed as the candidate of change -- even though his policies would be a near-perfect continuation of Bush's policies, and it's the Right Wing Reagan-initiated policies that have driven our country to the cliff.

[Sandaasu]

47. You'd think that he agreeed to work with Satan based on the responses.

Paul has some very crazy ideas, yes, but he at least isn't in the pocket of the wrong people. The biggest issue we face right now just might be our very harmful foreign policy and aggression. Paul seems pretty reasonable too, when it comes to flexibility, saying that he'd be accepting of more liberal policies it comes to the more typical left/right issues.

I'd most certainly vote for Kucinich/Paul. I'd even consider Paul/Kucinich, although the potential supreme court picks would scare the hell out of me.

[progressoid]

48. " but he at least isn't in the pocket of the wrong people"

Oookay. :crazy: