Bill Kristol sees parallels between Obama and Jimmy Carter

[Mugsy]

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Fox News and Republicans desperately want Hillary to win the Democratic nomination, so their advice for her is not to be dismissed.

I'm no Hillary supporter. Let's put that right up front. Nor am I an "Obamaniac". Calling me an "Independent" is as offensive as calling me "indecisive" or "uninformed" and calling me a "Republican" runs you the risk of coming away with a bloody nose.

But I've bemoaned frequently that I'm not happy with my remaining two choices, foisted upon us by both the Media and first-time voters that decided the front-runners should be two candidates whose marquee attributes are their minority status without regard for policy or qualifications for the job.

I've argued myself recently that the consequences of Obama being the next Jimmy Carter, a very good by inexperienced politician whose foreign policy failures gave us 26 years of Republican domination in Washington a mere 4 years after the most corrupt Administration in history (Nixon/Ford and Watergate) saw members of its administration actually go to prison for their crimes, is potentially disastrous.

I don't point this out to sway or endorse either candidate. Only to serve as a "cautionary tale" to whomever wins.

[rocktivity]

1. (For Kristol, not the OP)

:boring:
rocknation

[baldguy]

2. Why does anyone listen to this freak?

[MadMaddie]

3. Have I said "Fuck Bill Kristol" lately?

What a waste of a human body. I wish someone would find the skeletons in his closet and get him out of the spot light.....

[Kolesar]

4. You pushed my DENNIS video off the latest page for this douchebag?

thanks for nothing

[jimshoes]

5. Miss Cleo is right more often than

this numbnuts.

[Extend a Hand]

7. now that's the truth

:rofl:

[stevedeshazer]

6. Stevie sees parallels between Bill Kristol and pond scum.

This guy is zero-for-everything.

If Bill Kristol wrote that the sky was blue, I'd fully expect to go outside and find it blood-red.

[MikeNearMcChord]

8. If we only followed President Carter's energy program

we would not be in the mess we are in, so Mr. Kristol kindly go take a long walk off a short pier.

[mihalevich]

10. Was Carter a bad president?

I was too young at the time. Why does everyone think he was bad?

[MikeNearMcChord]

13. Mainly because of the Iranian hostage crisis, he gets tarred.

Never mind the Camp David accords, his attempts to elevate Human rights in diplomacy. In some ways he was ahead of the curve. Carter is hated by the neocons because he wanted peace with the Soviets, among other things.

[Mugsy]

14. Carter was honest & moral.

I'd put Jimmy Carter's morality up against George Bush's any day.

He was also very Progressive, and perhaps among our first "Environmentally Green" Presidents. But he wasn't prepared for the nastiness of Washington politics and mishandled the Islamic Revolution that resulted in the siege of the U.S. embassy in Iran. For 444 straight days on nightly TV, we were reminded of the "Iranian Hostage Crisis", which unfairly painted Carter as ineffective. And when oil prices climbed as a result of his Russian Grain embargo (for aiding Iran) that pushed the Russians to embargo oil to the U.S., which also slowed the economy (all sound familiar?), he was trounced by Reagan in 1980. And two years after that, Republicans retook the Senate, which they held almost with interruption (sans 18 months after Jim Jeffords left the GOP to become an Independent) until just last year.

Can you say "double-standard" for Democrats & Republicans?

[BOHICA06]

17. Imagine the ineptitude of Clinton's first two years...

.. but add high oil prices, a terrible recession, high unemployment .... then add a uncooperative Congress (of his own party too).

stir carefully -

Result - a sunk presidency

Add an humiliating hostage crisis, a botched rescue attempt

stir some more

Result - a presidency we all want to forget.

[ryanmuegge]

9. These "experts" don't even know the names of the people to whom they're referring.

This Kristol is a fool.

We did get to see a preview of the RNC's talking points if Obama's the nominee, though.

[Warpy]

11. THAT is the Kristol who's the heart and soul of the neocon movement?

That poor stumbling, stammering fool? My gawd.

I see a parallel with Carter and Obama, but certainly not for the reasons he cited, which were bogus. Carter was a good man who expected to deal in good faith with Congress, especially the conservatives in Congress. He didn't realize what was going on until his back was full of daggers and he was too damaged to be re elected. He never got credit for any of the good he did while in office but was successfully blamed for the fallout from the Nixon/Ford inaction over OPEC. Carter broke OPEC, basically, and got their prices down for decades.

Obama, having been mentored by Lieberman, also thinks he can deal with the current crop of GOP, much worse than the ones Carter faced, honorably. He, too will find his back full of daggers if he tries.

My only hope for Obama is that he's a little more street smart than Carter was. I haven't seen much evidence of that so far.

[The Wizard]

12. Bill Kristol needs to be sucker punched (nt)

[NJmaverick]

15. They are similar in that

both are intelligent, honorable and ethical men. Where they differ is that Obama has leadership ability. That was something Carter lacked. That lacking made him ineffective, in terms of getting his good programs enacted.

[nookiemonster]

16. I could make that little chickenhawk cry with a dirty look.

PNAC asshat.

[Jack Rabbit]

18. Now I feel better

Bill Kristol predicts that the Obama administration will be a disaster, like the Carter Adminstation. We know now that it is assured of success because Mr. Kristol is always wrong in his prognostications.

[Voice for Peace]

25. That's a brilliant point. And if Hillary uses his suggestions

well... can't finish this sentence, it's choking me.

[smoogatz]

26. The premise is also false.

Carter's administration wasn't so bad: he balanced the budget and took concrete steps to fight inflation and deal with the energy shortage. He also brokered a peace between Israel and Egypt that's lasted to this day. Most of Carter's troubles were inherited, and others (Iran hostage) were manipulated by Republicans for political gain. He did make some unfortunate decisions, but they were mostly symbolic—the sweater thing, the mailaise speech, and so on. Probably his worst call was the disastrous hostage extraction attempt, but apparently he simply went with the best advice of his Joint Chiefs, and between bad weather and mechanical problems things got ugly.

But yeah, if my predictive powers were as shitty as Kristol's, I'd have a hard time crossing the street without getting run over.

[Frisbee]

27. A big problem for Carter

was that he came in to office, and immediately started trying to do things without working with congress. It pissed congress off, and he never had a good relationship with them after that. I don't see this happening with Obama, since he A: has been a member of congress, and B: hopefully has people around him old enough to have witnessed Carter's mistakes and to help him avoid making the same ones.

[smoogatz]

28. True: Carter ran as a post-Watergate outsider

and a lot of congressional bigwigs were determined to put him in his place. I doubt Obama will have similar problems, especially with the big Dem majority he's likely to sweep in on his coattails.

[sasquatch]

19. Bill Kristol's logic sounds the same as a homeless Schizophrenic person that is off their meds

Why do people even pay attention to this guy?

[McCamy Taylor]

20. They are both WINNERS!!!!! And Kristol is a pathetic loser whose only claim to fame is he said that

the GOP must keep the Clintons from providing Americans with health care, or else Americans would be grateful to the Democratic Party, which would hurt the Republican Party in elections.

If you consider that millions of people have died since the mid nineties when he said that the Republicans must keep Americans sick and dying of preventable illness so that the Republican Party could prosper, that makes him some kind of sicko mass murderer, along the lines of the Nazis who planned the Final Solution and killed millions of people for being Jewish or gay or mentally ill or homosexual. Kristol isn't one of the ones who built the camps. He would be one of the policy wonks who crunched the numbers and figured out how much money the Third Reich was saving with fewer mouths to feed. But Nuremberg found them guilty, too.

So, Bill Kristol is a mass murderer, who openly boasts that he is the reason that your mother died of ovarian cancer, because she did not have health insurance.

[Hulk]

21. I see parallels between this moron and the pimple on my butt.

Once again...ONCE AGAIN....WHO gives a rat's ass what this idiot has to say??? He is simply and ONLY a shill for the neocons. He shovels shit that is so outrageous, one never knows whether to laugh out loud or just stand in shock that someone could say something so off the wall and stupid.

[marias23]

22. Kristol

I see parallels between Kristol and Wrong Way Corragan.

[marias23]

23. I see parallels between Kristol and Wrong Way Corregan.

[defendandprotect]

30. I see parallels between Kristol, his PNAC gang and NAZIS . . . !!!

[Voice for Peace]

24. How to choose a candidate?

"We have nothing to fear but fear itself."

How to decide?
Everything's unknown.
Maybe Huckabee would turn out to be a great president.
Maybe Hillary would start a nuclear war by accident.
Maybe Obama would be in over his head.
Maybe a bowling ball will fall out of an airplane come through my roof and land on my head while I'm taking a bath.

What if this, and what if that? So many terrible possibilities!

For me, personally: fear is my enemy. I am not going to let fear dictate my choices in life,
whether it's politics, love, health care, whatever.

When my heart, my gut, my intellect, my reason, and enough 'facts' are all in agreement on one side,
and fear + uncertainty, doubt, and a few different 'facts' are in agreement on the other side,
it's not hard to make a choice.

Saying no to fear itself is a little bit scary; but living as a servant of fear is numbing, deadening,
and a nightmare unending. "Just say no"

[defendandprotect]

29. WEAK in response . . . which is dangerous as GOP did everything to undermine him ---

Like Clinton .. . and probably any other Democrat we will put in the White House . .
he was run ragged by Repug dirty tricks ---

be ready for it --- it will go on and on ---

Finally, when Carter tried to speak to the public . . . odd things were happening . . .
there was one White House message where he was talking for like 15-20 minites and there was no
sound.

And then there were his rescue missions where the helicopters keep crashing --
hard to believe then --- even harder to believe now.

The story is the helicopter pilots didn't have some bit of equipment which would have kept
sand out --- do we believe that?

On the other hand . . . remember Carter pulling us out of the Olympics because Russia had
INVADED Afghanistan . . .

Well, evidently, he should have known damn well that this was a set up --

As BRZ tells it in his book ---
"WE went into Afghanistan 6 months before the Russians entered ---
in order to try to BAIT Russia into Afghanistan . . . in hopes of giving them a Vietnam-type
experience" --- !!!! WTF?

As though OUR Vietnam experience was all about PR!!!!
We weren't trying to keep VN from gaining her independence --- !!!
We weren't finally chased out of VN by the Vietnamese --- !!!!

It wasn't all about warprofiteering and "a nice piece of real estate" as JFK recognized
as he looked at what the Joint Chiefs were after --- !!!

[Enthusiast]

31. Kristol? He has zero credibility! nt

[bulloney]

32. Is there any level of fear-mongering that Kristol and his ilk won't stoop to?

To this day there's a sizable percentage that gets stirred up when you mention Jimmy Carter. The farmers blame the shitty farm economy of the 1980s to this day on the Soviet grain embargo, even though a USDA report released during the Reagan Administration said that the negative impact of the embargo on U.S. grain exports were neglible, if they existed at all, because the Soviets purchased U.S. grain indirectly. But I remember GHW Bush's Ag Secretary Clayton Yeutter blamining the embargo for the low farm income experienced during that administration, even though the Soviet embargo occurred more than 12 years earlier.

There's that librul media perpetuating a myth. You want to see THE most conservative of the media? Listen to your local or network farm reports.

As for Kristol, why does anyone give this guy air time. He has about as much credibility as a kleptomaniac in a jewelry store.

[Hamlette]

33. Don't let the GOP rewrite history

Carter is not who they say he is. They hated him with as much venom as they have for Clinton and FDR and they had that venom before they even heard of the guy. Carter was not a bad president but Reagan was. Reagan taught America to hate. (welfare queens, educated elite) If you want to talk long term destruction to who we are as a people, look to Reagan yet the right has managed (short term I hope) to paint him as a Saint and Carter as the devil.

[peace13]

34. I didn't watch this because Kristol is the scum

that all other scum sucks off.

[CGowen]

35. He forgot to mention Volcker's endorsment....n/t

[nachoproblem]

36. Most people who see Carter as a disaster

have no idea what Carter actually did. The "foreign policy disaster" of his approach to the mideast is much better regarded by other world leaders (especially mideast ones) than anything done by subsequent presidents. The only disaster for Republicans was that they didn't get their dick-swinging American way for four years and can never stop crying about it. The only disaster for Carter was a media disaster. The only disaster for the rest of us is that it begat the DLC, triangulation, emphasis on winning elections. Unfortunately if the triangulators win I gain nothing, because they don't represent my interests.