Black protest against illegal aliens in L.A. Sat. 6/23

[Jim Warren]

Anyone heard about this, who the organizers are? Beginning at King & Crenshaw and marching to Lemert Park.

Black Citizens March and Rally June 23rd to Take Back Civil Rights Agenda From Illegal Alien Advocates

The illegal alien advocacy network has attempted to portray their campaign for a massive new amnesty program as a civil rights issue. It is not, say black Americans.
American blacks struggled, endured countless indignities, and even died to secure their full rights as citizens of the United States. Now their struggle and their hard won gains are being co-opted by advocates for citizens of other countries who are in this country illegally, stealing jobs and opportunities from the children and grandchildren of the Americans who achieved those rights.

On Saturday, June 23, hundreds of American blacks will take to the
streets of Los Angeles to take back their civil rights. "The illegal alien agenda is not a civil rights agenda," declared Ted Hayes, chairman of Choose Black America. "Forty years ago, black Americans bravely confronted a system that denied them their guaranteed rights as citizens. The illegal alien agenda is an effort to extort rights from the American people that they have not earned and don't deserve."

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/06-19-2007/0004611591&EDATE=

[LoZoccolo]

1. Regardless of where anyone stands on this issue...

...it should be clear that people throwing around the accusation that wanting to stop illegal immigration is racist should just shut up.

[atreides1]

4. Why????

Does being black mean you can't have racist tendencies? Who wrote that into the rule book?

[LoZoccolo]

6. No, but it's a prima facie stupid and manipulative argument to begin with.

The argument never established anything ever, and was lame. This just adds a little more weight against it.

Besides, amnesty discriminates against immigrants from countries where it's more difficult to enter illegally.

[TahitiNut]

14. It's a convenient lock on the door to a closed mind.

:shrug: I also suspect there's more than a little projection when folks use that broad brush.

[pampango]

23. Just because racism is not the reason that many DU'ers want

to stop illegal immigration, does not mean that there is no racism among any other people who share that opposition. My guess is you could find a little overt racism in the posts opposing illegal immigration over at Freeperville.

As far as the opposition of many at DU, while is not based on racism, I would contend that this opposition has a racial consideration to it. There are many laws which are not written specifically to target one or all minorities, e.g. three strikes and you're out, drug law enforcement, death penalty, military recruiting, welfare reform, but have a disparate impact on one or more minorities. I would argue that these laws, while not racist in intent perhaps, are racist in their impact on society.

The effort to stop, capture and deport illegal immigrants is likewise targeted at an ethnic minority predominantly, therefore has a racist impact. One can make the argument that we will also pursue white and other illegal immigrants, as well, but that is like the claim that the justice system also incarcerates whites for selling crack. Sure whites get arrested to, but that does not change the reality of who is in prison.

If you get tired of hearing the accusation of racism attached to opposition to illegal immigrants, you will probably understand how others can get tired of the claims that race or ethnicity of absolutely nothing to do with this. Given America's history and culture that is always a tough sell. (Just be glad that France didn't beat Spain to Mexico's location and establish Haiti there. If that had happened, you would be arguing for the deportation of 12 million Black immigrants, rather than Hispanic. Good luck keeping racism out of that discussion.)

[Jim Warren]

38. one trick pony

Pampango, you are getting to sound like a one trick pony whenever the subject of immigration is brought up. The idea of someone "has a racial consideration" in these discussions we lately can count on you to imply it, over and over, whether it be germane or not.

I have a suggestion. Why don't you start your own thread, lay out your ideas about immigration and why you think it is paramount to include the element of race......or not if you don't.

peace

[pampango]

39. Sorry about posting to your thread. Didn't know what the rules were.

If you have any comments on the points I made, I would welcome them. BTW, my pony has performed many tricks. Perhaps, you haven't noticed. ;)

If you would prefer that the issue just go away, I wish you the best.

See ya.

[lumberjack_jeff]

81. You're right, but not like you intend.

There is a racial component behind my opposition to illegal immigration. Native Americans, and US ethnic minorities (including hispanic citizens) are those who most need the employment that illegal workers are taking. Furthermore, for those without advanced education, an unlimited workforce depresses their wages directly.

"Mexican" isn't a race, and US citizens of hispanic descent are entitled to the benefits of this society while Mexican citizens of hispanic descent are not.

[slackmaster]

2. From the Subject line I thought this was from The Onion

:nuke:

[AlCzervik]

3. Lou Dobbs', he's a fan

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Choose_Black_America

[Shakespeare]

5. And that's how the republicans stay in power, boys and girls.

Keep the poor and minorities turned against each other, and they'll never unite to fight the rich and corrupt.

[EFerrari]

16. No kidding. What a singularly bad idea. n/t

[BornagainDUer]

51. More easily accomplished when you have a crock of charlatans

from these communities who hype this shit up.

[blondeatlast]

56. Indeed. nt

[Roy]

7. THESE ARE NOT BLACK CITIZENS....

This is Armstrong Williams and other black by profession only cronies.

http://chooseblackamerica.com/press.html

[Jim Warren]

9. They're not?

From the link you posted. I didn't see Armstrong Williams, is he involved here somehow?

James E. Clingman - Is the founder of the Greater Cincinnati African American Chamber of Commerce, and writes a weekly syndicated newspaper column, Blackonomics. He is an Adjunct Professor at the Univ. of Cincinnati, Dept. of African American Studies on "Black Entrepreneurship". He is the author of numerous books including the new book, Black O Knowledge.

Dr. Claud Anderson - Is president of The Harvest Institute, a non-profit involved in black research, education, policy, advocacy and economic development, primarily in inner cities across the country. Widely recognized as one of America's most influential intellectuals and authors, Dr. Claud Anderson’s ‘best-seller’ books entitled Black Labor, White Wealth and Powernomics: The National Plan to Empower Black America are used as text books in universities across America and serve as the foundation for The Harvest Institue.

Ted Hayes – Has worked tirelessly to attract national and international attention to the problem of homelessness in America. Ted is the creator of the Dome Village Community, a prototype shelter-housing facility located in down town Los Angeles. Ted Hayes has delivered his proposals on homelessness to the White House for the creation of a national homeless plan to eradicate homelessness in the United States. Ted has worked with national and international leaders in his effort to end the criminalization of Homeless persons in the United States.

Dr. Rosie Milligan - In 1990, Dr. Milligan founded a publishing company, Milligan Books, where she has published over 100 new African-American authors in the past five years. Her publishing company is the fastest growing publishing company owned by an African-American female in the nation. Dr. Milligan is an entrepreneur and economic empowerment activist and owner of Professional Business Management Consulting Services — which provides consultation for new and small businesses and staff development training for corporations.

Kevin Fobbs - Kevin Fobbs has more than 25 years of wide-ranging experience as a public relations consultant, business executive, political advisor, writer, and national lecturer. He is the founder of NuPac, the National Urban Policy Action Council, a civic and citizen action organization that focuses on community empowerment and promotes fiscally responsible compassionate conservative public policies. In addition, Mr. Fobbs is the Director for Government and Civic Affairs for “Soul Source”, a monthly full-color Christian news magazine.

Rev. Jesse Peterson - Rev. Peterson is the Founder and President of the national non-profit organization BOND, the Brotherhood Organization of a New Destiny. He is the author of many books, and is frequently seen on major TV networks such as Fox, CNN, and MSNBC. Reverend Peterson is an advisory board member of Project 21, a national black conservative public policy organization.

Dr. Frank Morris, Sr. – Is an educator and former Associate Dean of the Graduate School of Public Affairs at the University of Maryland, College Park. More recently, Dr. Morris served as an educator at Morgan State University, where he retired in 1996, as the Dean of Graduate Studies and Research.

Terry Anderson – Is the host of the Terry Anderson Show, a syndicated weekly radio show dealing with the effect of illegal immigration on Black Americans and the United States.

Bishop Frank Stewart - Is the founder and president of the Black American Family Christian Agenda International, (BAFCA). BAFCA is a “nerve center” designed to encourage the strongest institute of leadership in Black America. Bishop Stewart is the acclaimed author of “Together We Stand Stronger” and “The Secret Gifts of Black Americans” and currently has more than 20 churches under his leadership, including a Latino congregation in California, 12 churches in South Africa, and a church in Japan.

Dr. Nathaniel Chism – Is the founder and director of the African Holistic Healing Center and the Kemet Longevity Institute. He is also founder and president of the Institute of Economic Empowerment, which instructs people on the fundamental and specific concepts of personal power in designing one’s econom

[Roy]

20. right on their front page....

Discussing the Two Disasters that Hit the Gulf Region

Armstrong Williams, Choose Black America to Hold Press Conference to Discuss Displacement of American Workers by Illegal Aliens in Gulf Coast Reconstruction
A coalition of black leaders says that on the anniversary of Hurricane Katrina, which devastated the Gulf Coast, destroyed lives, homes and jobs, thousands of American workers are once again being displaced. A year ago, the levees that protected New Orleans broke and water from the Gulf of Mexico flooded the city. Since then, the figurative levees have also collapsed, and the Gulf Coast has been inundated with low wage illegal alien workers who have taken badly needed reconstruction jobs in the region.



http://chooseblackamerica.com/press_aug22.html

when you see the name of Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson, you need look no further into this group.

[Jim Warren]

36. Because I don't know

why would I need to look no further. I just did a quick look through google and wiki, what is so damning about this man?

[Roy]

44. If that is your honest reply.....

Then, sorry there is nothing more I can tell you, Armstrong Williams' and Jesse Lee petersons' words and actions speak for themselves.

[roody]

52. I don't know who Peterson is.

Is Armstrong the "journalist" who took money from the Bush administration?

[Roy]

55. That's him......

Jesse Lee Peterson is a spittle spewing seemly semi illiterate who 'Fox Noise' trots out to defend right wing racist when they make racist statements.

When his "BOND" (Brotherhood Organization of a New Destiny) organization was started (most likely with RNC money) I believe he was the only black member on the board of the organization billing itself as the new voice of the black community.

Sean Hannity was on the board at the beginning, but it seems he now sits on the advisory board.

http://www.bondinfo.org/about/board/board.htm

[TahitiNut]

13. Well, it's sure not my place to tell anyone whether they're black or not, but ...

Without knowing them personally, I can't say whether they self-identify as "black" but I would guess that "America" treats these people as though they are.

:eyes: :eyes:

[Roy]

27. I was being a bit facetious.... I thought it would be obvious..

snip
"A coalition of black leaders says that on the anniversary of Hurricane Katrina..........."
end snip

These are a coalition of black leaders sure enough, but they were all hand picked by Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, and others of that ilk chosen to co op the message from the black community and speak for me and many others in the black community.

It's surprising that they are still around for they have fooled absolutely no one in the black community. But they have convinced the RNC to keep the money rolling in.

[EFerrari]

17. What a surprise.

Good catch, Roy.

[blondeatlast]

57. Armstrong williams--I'm sooo not surprised. Interesting info, thanks, Roy. nt

[Jensen]

8. Immigration in NO way a racial problem but a American problem

There is no way to not watch this over and not come to the conclusion that "Our" way of life is not threaten by the immigration problem that we face.



This video offers the best presentation by far that you will ever see on the immigration problem. It really presents the potential enormity of the immigration problem we face. Absolutely don't fail to watch it and distribute it as widely as you can. Our American future is at stake.



http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4094926727128068265&q=numbersusa&hl=en

[RB TexLa]

18. Saved my time when he said the "golden era" of immigration was when they assimilated the fastest

More of the "if someone comes here they have to become similar to us, we don't want to have to see any of this ethnic stuff around."

[datasuspect]

21. nothing is new under the sun

same old xenophobia, just different people vomitting it.

again and again and again.

[pampango]

29. Well said. The centuries may change but the sentiment remains the same.

"We are just trying to keep the ____________________ (fill in the blank) from taking our jobs."

[trashcanistanista]

46. When the reality is that the corporations

are shipping the jobs to cheap labor and advocating bringing in cheap labor and not enforcing fair wage and other labor laws. Same with health care. Illegals are not responsible for the demise of the health care industry, the insurance companies are.

[Zookeeper]

10. This touches on a point I've been making....

Black Americans are still being under-served in this country by schools, still being discriminated against in the workplace and many are mired in generational poverty and chronic unemployment. They now have the additional challenge of competing with the cheap, exploitable labor of illegal workers.

Since several DUers have felt safe in stating that their loyalty lies with illegal workers of Hispanic descent, over any America worker, I will go ahead and state that my concern is for American workers, particularly African-Americans. As a native of a city with a majority African-American population, I'm amazed by the way DUers in the Southwest and California seem to be completely clueless on this issue.

(And, yes, I've heard the whole "dividing the workers" speech. 'Sounds good, but doesn't do much for this generation of Black urban youth.)

Flame away.

[Marrah_G]

12. !

:APPLAUSE:

[EFerrari]

24. Now, you've awoken my inner German.

:)

I've never seen anyone on this board express the opinion that they value undocumented Hispanic workers over other workers. Did I miss something?

And policy, not working people, seems to me to be the problem here. NAFTA, messing with democracy in Latin America, privileging military spending over social justice. And nationalism -- which seems to obscure the bigger picture, like how our own policy forced Latinos north in the first place.

You know, when we got black and Chicano kids in the English Dept at Cal, there was an unspoken pact among us teachers to do everything in our power to retain them. They were rare as chicken's teeth. Sad to see these groups being set against each other.

But, you've heard this before. (Okay, down, inner Frau, get back to work)

:hi:

[Zookeeper]

63. Guten Tag, Frau Expat!

Actually, there was a post just two or three days ago. It would be against the rules for me to call him out, but I'll try to find it and PM you.

I think you and I are in agreement on the root causes of this issue.

:hi: back atcha!

[justjones]

30. No flames.

I agree that illegal immigration is a real problem for African-Americans. I am a native of Los Angeles and experience it firsthand and understand it is a real issue for the black community.

However, I don't think Choose Black America is the right organization to articulate these issues. The us versus them mentality is what continues to disenfranchise us, so why would we repeat the pattern when it comes to another disenfranchised minority presence in this country? Or are we convinced that there are limited resources for which we must compete and it just boils down to survival?

I am not sure if I completely buy it. There are enough resources for us all.

[justjones]

45. Interesting Article....

http://www.blackcommentator.com/234/234_cover_story_choices_for_black_labor_fletcher_ed_bd.html"> Choices for Black Labor

Snip:
As the Black working class faces continued battering, the immigrant - documented and/or undocumented - becomes, for many, the target of convenience for our anger. Rather than understanding the nature of the problem we face as lying within capitalism itself and the search by business for cheaper and more vulnerable workforces, the immigrant becomes the safe and convenient enemy of the moment.

[Zookeeper]

68. I'm not familiar with Choose Black America beyond....

this thread, and I wouldn't claim that this march is the best way to address the issue.

I'm just stating my concerns on the subject.

Although I understand the notion that if we stop believing in scarcity, there will be abundance, the reality is that there are a lot of unemployed people in this country, which would suggest that there is a scarcity of jobs. (And as far as resources, LA is a desert, so I'll bet you understand that water is a limited resource. Our natural resources are finite.)

From the "Diverse, Issues in Higher Education" website:

http://www.diverseeducation.com/artman/publish/article_7360.shtml

"We need only focus on unemployment to get an idea of how Blacks and other groups are adversely affected by high levels of immigration. Consider that Black unemployment rates are usually double the rate of Whites and are higher than the rates of Hispanics. For example, in April 2007, the national unemployment rate was 4.5 percent. The Black unemployment rate was 8.2 percent, with the rate for Black males at 9.7 percent. The rate for Hispanics was 5.4 percent. Moreover, the Bureau of Labor statistics has forecast that in the next seven years the Hispanic labor force will be 6.3 million workers greater than the Black work force. By 2014, the Black work force will lag behind Hispanics, Asians and White non-Hispanics in labor force participation."

"Employed African-Americans include a disproportionate percentage of high school dropouts and graduates who compete directly with legal and illegal immigrants for low-wage, low-skill jobs. Immigrants arriving since 1990 have increased the supply of labor by 25 percent for the kinds of jobs traditionally taken by poorly educated Americans. Using data from 2000-2004, Steven Camarota of the Center for Immigration Studies has found that while immigrant workers constituted 15 percent of the U.S. labor force, they were a whopping 40 percent of workers without high school diplomas. Only 12 percent had greater than a high school diploma."

"Whether the topic is education, poverty, housing, health care or unemployment, Blacks remain clustered at the bottom of the ladder in a most desperate situation."

The author (not me) also makes this statement: "The interests of American citizens should trump any obligations to illegal immigrants who have willfully broken the nation’s laws and demanded rights and privileges not guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution. Often, these immigrants show open hostility and disdain for African-Americans, the very group whose civil rights movement have and continues to benefit them enormously."
-------
I take your point about disenfranchised minorities and don't want to see working class people pitted against each other. However, non-citizen workers who are here illegally don't have the same rights, by law, as citizen workers. They have citizenship rights in their own countries.

Here is another column from a Minnesota paper that serves the African-American community:

Are Illegal Immigrants Taking Jobs From Blacks?

http://spokesman-recorder.com/news/Article/Article.asp?NewsID=7786&sID=3&ItemSource=N

"Additional data states 40 percent of native-born Blacks work in high-immigrant occupations – cleaning, food preparation, manufacturing and transportation – this, in comparison to 22.9 percent of whites in the same fields.

'....So, without question, Blacks are much more likely to be affected by any decline in wages or benefits resulting from immigrant-induced increase in the labor force.'

'Arguably the most racist policy in this country for the past quarter century has been that of immigration,” Anderson said. 'An onslaught of poorly educated, mostly Hispanic immigrants has severely hindered attempts of African-Americans to climb up the economic ladder.'"

---

I wouldn't expect all African-Americans to agree on the subject, any more than I would expect all the members of any other group to agree.

[Jim Warren]

71. "LA is a desert"

and South Central is a powder keg.

Nice post.

[SPKrazy]

72. lights match...

:D

hey, one thing that probably is an issue there is that the hispanic population in the southwest is larger than the African American population?

I agree with you though 100%. I think that we need to protect American jobs, and raise the standard of living for all Americans.

The exploitation of illegal immigrants is a terrible thing and I also think that we should put a stop to that.

:hi:

[pampango]

76. The exploitation is a terrible thing. Is it better to remedy it by

making it more difficult to exploit them while they are here or by removing them from the country? Both (legalize those who are here and keep more from coming)?

[Marrah_G]

11. This is not gonna be good.....

[Jim Warren]

40. Yeah, I wonder

Lost in the usual cacophony here is the consideration whether there might be any conflict that comes from this in LA on Saturday, whether it's a big deal or turns into something the media grabs a hold of. We shall see.

Attleboro? We're in Amherst. :hi:

[TahitiNut]

41. I was born during a race riot. Friday's my birthday. I shudder.

:scared:

[Jim Warren]

42. Where was that TN? nt

[TahitiNut]

43. Detroit ... in '43.

No nurse's aides ... no orderlies ... understaffed nursing and admin. Federal troops (Army) occupied Detroit for six months afterwards. I lived in the "inner city" during the '67 riots in Detroit, too.



http://info.detnews.com/history/story/index.cfm?id=185&category=events
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detroit_Race_Riot_%281943%29

[Jim Warren]

47. Whoa

Completely off my radar, I'll read some more. Riot, conflict and occupation by the military during WWII? That had to be bitter.

BTW, happy birthday. :party:

[Zookeeper]

70. I was there for the '67 riots...

an experience I'll never forget.

[TahitiNut]

73. Yup. My neighbors were angry.

Gotta say it was hard to not share a bit in that anger. :shrug: I both lived and worked just blocks from the "Cass Corridor." Lots of smoke. Lots of cops and military. Nine months later I was drafted.

[Zookeeper]

74. "Cass Corridor"

My teen-aged daughter has started wearing my old black and white "Cass Corridor Food Co-op" t-shirt, with the slogan, "Food for People, Not for Profit." Her classmates aren't sure what to make of it, but think it's kind of cool. :D (An ancient artifact.)

I was a kid, standing at the border of G.P. and the east side of Detroit. I could see the smoke from burning buildings in the distance. The G.P. police had formed a barricade across Jefferson Ave. and it was quite a tense situation. I'm glad that the riots didn't end up in our immediate area, because those cops were VERY edgy and armed. (And on a mission to protect G.P. from "THEM." )

[TahitiNut]

75. Yup. Armed with carbines.

When I drove out to the 'burbs to visit family one evening (and assure them I was OK), I was stopped by police reservists and a barricade with lights in my eyes. With a bullhorn, they told me to stop and put my hands on the top of the steering wheel and don't move. They then approached with loaded carbines aimed at my head and told me to c-a-r-e-f-u-l-l-y pull out my drivers license and give it to them. I had to tell them where I lived, where I was going, and why.

I felt far more comfortable with my neighbors.

[Zookeeper]

77. Carbines aimed at your head?

:scared:

That's the kind of overreaction I sensed even as a kid. It was a lesson in how badly people can react to fear (and racism).

After reading your post about the '43 riots, I'll bet many of those cops (and others) were acting with memories of that chaos.

BTW, Happy Birthday, TahitiNut!



:party: :toast: :bounce:

[TahitiNut]

78. Yep. It prepared me for Viet Nam.

Thanks!! I'm a Power Of Two again today!!!! (Leave it to a math undergrad and comp sci grad - a Perfect Square and Perfect Cube - to celebrate such things ... especially when it's for the last time.)

[Marrah_G]

62. Howdy Nieghbor :)

Western Mass is so pretty, especially in the Fall.

Thinking about this LA protest, I just keep thinking if the gangs on both sides show it could end up with alot of innocents hurt.

[Jim Warren]

64. I know

There were a couple of threads here today about events that went wrong recently, violently wrong, and they were initially celebrations.

Out of this whole thread, you and one other poster picked up on that. Lost in the din of kneejerk innuendo is the very real possibility that an event like, a protest march in South Central, can go wrong. Then the hand wringing would begin afterward over the headlines.

[Zookeeper]

69. Yes, this march could end in an ugly situation....

it will be interesting to see if/how the MSM addresses it.

[Balbus]

15. They just don't like brown-skinned people.

Right? :shrug:

[RedCappedBandit]

19. So brown skinned people can't be racist?

hah.

[EFerrari]

26. In my family's country of origin, the darkest child used to be

ridiculed by the family. I don't know if it's still that way but it was 'way creepy. :(

[datasuspect]

28. brown skinned people don't have the power that whites enjoy

they don't have the cultural privileges that accrue to whites rather easily.

if a person cannot see this, they are being purposely obtuse.

in other words, sure dark skinned people can be racists but unless you have the POWER it doesn't have as significant an impact as racism backed up by law, social policy, and general cultural understanding.

what anti-mexican people fail to realize: in the global economy and in this country, the average middle class person has more in common with the undocumented migrant than they do with the corporate and political warlords who enslave them.

have you hugged an undocumented migrant today?

[ComerPerro]

22. I am of the opinion that civil rights doesn't just have to serve one group of people, this is sick

[Nia Zuri]

31. It's not sick

Not sure if I completely buy into what they're doing, but I understand it. Imagine your forebearers built the economic foundation of this country with free slave labor (for which they've never received payment or even an apology). Fast forward a movement is born to bring basic civil rights to their descendants; the struggle lasts for decades and there is untold sacrifice, death and misery. a modecum of progress is made. Now you have a group of economic refugees who want to capitalize on the centuries of struggle and pain by essentially hijacking the movement that was built on the backs of black slaves. Not sick at all....

[RedCappedBandit]

33. I don't think *they* understand what they're doing..

if the US didn't fuck around with central and South America so much, maybe, just maybe, they'd be more satisfied with the way things are going in their own countries and wouldn't *need* to come here. This country has exploited south americans as much as we have exploited black slaves.

[BornagainDUer]

48. WhAAAAT??

black slave labor built the economic foundation of the whole fucking country??? White people didn't do a fucking thing???

How did black slave labor build the Northern States??? In case you don't know history the North was were slavery was abolished.

"free labor"??...more bullshit there were costs
"recieved no payment"?? The Civil War dead aren't anything and all the other white people who have worked their asses off to

Your discounting of everything good that white people do is fucked up. This smacks of racism pure and simple.

This is just a smidgin of the shit passed off as discourse on this message board. How in the hell could anyone with more than a spinal cord say such shit!!

[Catherine Vincent]

66. Geeze. Settle down there.

:eyes:

[BlooInBloo]

25. Idiots. They're giving "good whites" a *valid* reason to rip on them...

... At least before they generally had to make shit up.

[BornagainDUer]

49. Good whites?? An oxymoron? Shit there are people on this message board

that think all whites are racist. Even Abraham Lincoln.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

58. Abraham Lincoln was demonstrably racist.

How about a link for the people that think all white people are racist?

[BlooInBloo]

67. Proof? Or are you just making shit up?

[datasuspect]

32. my father had to drink from "colored" fountains when they were kids

oh, his family are just a bunch of mexicans who lived in texas since it was mexico. they got whipped for speaking spanish in class.

whose pain is worse than whose?


this shit is pointless and totally takes any responsibility away from the corporate and political warlords who divide and enslave us.

[shance]

34. Time to do some homework on who's funding "Choose Black America".

Never heard of them.

Another question is who would actually benefit from such a "protest" and creating such division and chaos?

Certainly not any black citizens I know, and/or so called "illegal aliens".

[pampango]

35. Without doing any research and in declining order of likelihood -

1. Someone or a group of the freeper right who will fund anyone who helps oppose the current legislation before the Senate. They can overcome their core racism and support a Black group in order to keep even more minorities from entering or staying in the country.

2. Someone or a group from the corporate wing of the Repubs believes that this bill is just not good enough and prefers to maintain the current illegal workforce rather than risk "legalization" and a guest worker program that may not last.

3. Someone or a group from the DU progressive left who oppose illegal immigration (perhaps any immigration that competes with American labor). Funding a Black group which opposes illegal immigration helps sell the concept that there is no racism in this effort. "Look even other minorities oppose these Hispanic immigrants."

[BornagainDUer]

50. Or maybe race racketeers looking for another product to sell.

[pampango]

59. That may fall somewhere between options 2 and 3.

It is a possibility. ;)

[shenmue]

60. It'll be a few hundred people, at most...

compare that to the pro-illegals protests. See who's creating chaos.

Why is is "so-called" to call illegal aliens by the right words? They did break the immigration law. It's not wrong to point that out. I know you don't care about the law. It's still there.

[LordJFT]

80. Im against illegal immigration and im not racist

but people like Tancredo who call multi-culturalism a "cult" definitely are.

[AspenRose]

37. Divide and Conquer.

That's about it. Unfortunately this tactic is used between blacks and non-black gays, too. Scare black people into thinking that there's not enough civil rights to go around for everyone and that they will be left out and passed up. Pretty tragic.

[judaspriestess]

53. racism still exist for everyone

here are some really effed up comments from CL I found today on rants and raves:

Hey Mexicano, McDonald's needs a bunch of you to show your true skills... (pic of ronald mcdonald getting a bj from a guy)

WHAT ARE THEY WAITING FOR? DEPORT THE BASTARDS ALREADY
AMNESTY ISNT GOING TO HAPPEN SO QUIT WASTING EVERYBODYS TIME AND GET ALL THESE FUCKING BEANERS THE HELL OUT OF MY COUNTRY!!!!

If the amnesty bill passes that means our government
is just as corrupt as yours.

As you know by now the people of America are not going
to take it anymore. If the slime balls force this bill
on the Americans it will be open season on Mexicans. We
have put up with your bullshit too long.

Get out of Dodge while you can!


Some facts regarding negroids for your educational purposes

http://www.cdc.gov/std/stats/trends2004.htm

African-American women are also disproportionately impacted by chlamydia. In 2004, the rate of reported chlamydia among black females (1,722.3) was more than 7.5 times that of white females (226.6).

African Americans remain the group most heavily affected by gonorrhea.
the reported 2004 rate per 100,000 population for blacks (629.6) was 19 times greater than for whites (33.3). In 2003, the rate for blacks was 20 times higher than the rate for whites.

In 2004, the P&S syphilis rate among blacks increased for the first time in more than a decade — 16.9 percent from 2003 to 2004.
In 2000 the rate among blacks was 24 times greater than among whites.


We have some serious issues

[judaspriestess]

54. Another post I found

Yesterday, a GOP aide, who is one of my sources in the Senate, gave me the rundown on what's happening with the Senate immigration bill (this is the same person who I talked to last week about the bill).

First off, it does look like the Senate immigration bill is coming back. The conventional wisdom seems to be that it's going to be brought up right before the July 4th break, so that the Senate Republican leadership can try to use that as leverage to get votes (in other words, "vote for the bill or we'll have to waste your vacation time until you do").

This is despite the fact that the conservative leaders of the anti-amnesty movement are refusing to cooperate, and won't give Mitch McConnell a list of amendments that they want considered. My source tells me that the reason for this is that the game has now been rigged. McConnell is essentially promising to bring the amendments up in exchange for cloture votes, but he's publicly saying that they will strip any problematic amendments out in committee.

In other words, if the bill gets through the Senate and the House, the Democrats and the open borders Republicans will work together when the bills have to be reconciled in committee to strip out any amendments that the "grand bargainers" don't like. Therefore, at this point, it doesn't matter what amendments pass, because any tough enforcement provisions that slip through will be rendered toothless when the bills are reconciled.

My source also noted that the cloture vote to end debate will be the "real" vote on the bill because if debate is closed off, the bill is sure to pass. Then, what will happen is that the votes for the bill will be counted, and a few Senators who are afraid that their election prospects will be jeopardized by a "yes" vote, will be allowed to vote against the bill. This enables those Senators to tell their constituents that they voted against the bill, but it will still allow them to collect campaign contributions from lobbyists who have a better understanding of how things work, and know that the bill couldn't have been passed without their support. Put another way, they get to reap the rewards of supporting amnesty while telling the voters in their home states that they opposed the bill.

My source also let me know that the White House and the Senate leadership, and Trent Lott in particular, are pushing very hard for this bill.

I asked my source to speculate on why Lott was pushing so hard, and he said that Lott may be naive enough to think that this bill might help John McCain's presidential campaign. He told me that despite McCain's dip in the polls since the bill hit the news, it was hard to miss the fact that the biggest supporters of this bill in the Senate, Jon Kyl, Trent Lott, and Lindsey Graham, are all solidly behind McCain in '08.

more....

http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/rnr/353467907.html

[roody]

61. Surely the ***hole who championed the

ballot measures against affirmative action is in this organization. Ward Connely or something like that? Former trustee for U of C.

[Catherine Vincent]

65. At first I was concerned.

But when I saw someone posted that Rev. Jesse Peterson was one of the organizers, I felt better. This is the biggest republican shill. He's anti-black and he's black himself. He's one of Hannity's puppets.

[roody]

79. self delete---I'll ask tomorrow how it went.