*********** LIVE STREAM OF THE DEBATE THREAD 3 **************

[helderheid]

Streaming: http://www.pbs.org/kcet/tavissmiley/special/forums/

Thread #1 http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1207236&mesg_id=1207236
Thread #2 http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1207610

[helderheid]

1. kick

[Gregorian]

2. Gravel- if you don't have money, you don't get justice.

Is it any surprise?

Wow. He's so common sense.

[SeattleGirl]

8. An obvious truth to so many of us.

If you are also a minority, you have two strikes against you from the beginning.

[SharonRB]

3. Rec #1

[Cameron27]

4. Gravel's funny but tonight Dennis outshines him I think.

[MuseRider]

11. Dennis is really good tonight.

This is the first debate I have been able to watch and although I have always supported him I am more impressed now than before. He sounds great and his answers are right on, at least for me.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

5. They all just ignore the radical truths of Gravel.

[whistle]

6. Is this on C-Span?

[Cameron27]

9. I think it is.

[AllieB]

10. PBS

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

7. Chris Dodd. He's finally shed his scripted answers.

I'm really enjoying this. MKJ

[AlCzervik]

12. this is a good debate---listen to the real issues they're actually discussing--it's about friggin

time. I cannot even remember the last time i heard any lawmaker talking about mandatory minimums.

[Old and In the Way]

24. Amazing when you have moderators asking important and relevant questions.

Every one of these candidates are giving excellent answers....the contrast between the Parties couldn't be sharper.

[AlCzervik]

29. indeed, well done all around. it reminds me of the debates the league of women's voters used to do.

[IChing]

13. Best debate so far

but when will they ask about a 24 scenario?

[SeattleGirl]

16. Or who believes in evolution....

:eyes:

[AlCzervik]

18. and who is the biggest fascist or hates women more. like night and day.

[SoCalDem]

40. Final question.. Raise your hand if you believe in Santa Claus :)

C'mom Tavis.. DO it :rofl:

[helderheid]

14. Hey guys? Thanks for watching this with me.

:hi: :grouphug: :toast:

[SharonRB]

17. Thanks for starting this

I wanted to watch with someone and who better than a bunch of DUers!

:hug:

[tblue]

19. Thank YOU. If not for you, I wouldn't've known it was on. I don't watch tv.

I am loving this.

[SeattleGirl]

21. I love doing this.

It's great to read other's comments.

[SharonRB]

26. Hi, SG

:hi:

[SeattleGirl]

30. Hey Sharon!

:hi:

[AlCzervik]

36. now you know i would never miss a debate or watching it with you.

political junkies---all of us.
:toast:

[helderheid]

39. My husband just rolled his eyes at me!

:rofl:

[AlCzervik]

45. same look from daughter "OMG Mom you must super excited that a debate is on tonight!"

but said like a true smart ass.

[SeattleGirl]

82. Hehe. Here's one for you: My daughter's wedding shower

in February was on the same day that there was an anti-war demonstration here in Seattle (we had gone to a previous one together). She was bummed that we couldn't go to the demonstration! I love that girl!

[robinlynne]

44. isn't it wonderful? (being political junkies and having DU)

[AlCzervik]

49. absolutely! :-)

[SharonRB]

55. Absolutely

I just told my hubby that just a few years ago, I would never have recognized as many people in the audience as I do and would never have known what states senators and reps were from. I usually watched debates, but didn't pay that much attention until after the 2004 election. I scare myself sometimes when I recognize senators from the back when I watch the 'Span.

[JNelson6563]

15. Thanks for keeping this going

and also for posting initial link. That's how I'm watching.

It's too bad Gravel is trying so hard to run down the other candidates.

Julie

[JNelson6563]

22. Also, Richardson needs to learn how to be briefer.

Brevity is the soul of wit Governor. ;-)

Julie

[Cameron27]

23. I agree. He's good enough without resorting to that.

[IChing]

20. Dennis is doing really well

I hate to hear just fancy rhetoric.

[ShortnFiery]

25. It seems like Dennis Kucinich is *ON* tonight. He is an awesome sight. n/t

[SeattleGirl]

27. I've been very impressed with him tonight.

[ShortnFiery]

35. Oh how I wish he were prettier. I'd have voted for him in a heartbeat in 2004 if I thought he could

snag the Democratic Nomination. :shrug:

[tblue]

41. I hate that that is a factor. If there was no tv, he'd be president already.

[Individualist]

42. He can snag it

if grassroots voters will simply go ahead and vote for him instead of being influenced by DLC swiftboaters who say he's not electable. DK WILL get my vote.

[ShortnFiery]

47. The more and more I hear from the first tier of candidates, the more I'm willing to VOTE for DK. n/t

[tblue]

123. You get no argument from me.

I know a conservative woman who likes him because he talks not in platitudes but in solutions.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

28. great job, helderheid. :-)

MKJ

[Bozita]

31. Richardson made it sound like labor unions hand out health insurance

[SharonRB]

32. 40% of the people still have not returned to NOLA

[tblue]

37. and that's not by accident

[SeattleGirl]

48. Well, goodness, you can't have those brown and black skinned

people going back, can you? :sarcasm:

[SharonRB]

62. No, you can't

:sarcasm:

It's a travesty.

[robinlynne]

38. I would guess the number is much higher than 40%.

[Swamp Rat]

It sure seems that way.

There are a lot new people here too. Half the people on my block alone are new, post-Katrina arrivals.

[robinlynne]

70. hey swamp rat!

[LittleClarkie]

33. Where is the debate being held?

If I may ask. Thanks.

[SharonRB]

34. Howard University

[MalloyLiberal]

43. "Let me finish John's thought". Geez Obama, have an original idea of your own?

[tblue]

51. Well, it wouldn't be cool to just say 'ditto'. I think he's trying to say I'd do all that PLUS....

[IChing]

Edwards is on tonight also. good debate

Obama is talking about halliburton in NO......doing a good job also.

[tblue]

46. I am loving John Edwards.

[MalloyLiberal]

53. Join the club

[IChing]

50. Neo-liberalism will any of them talk about it?

[tblue]

56. I never understood WTF that is. What is it already? Is it the same as Neoconservatism?

[SeattleGirl]

59. I've never even heard the term neo-Liberalism before.

[Me.]

90. Neo Liberals

Became neo cons

[IChing]

63. Do a search on it. I won't explain it tonight.

good debate though

[tblue]

71. I did once and I still didn't get it. Anyway, never mind. Good debate except there's too many on

stage and not enough time to hear them out.

[IChing]

57. NAFTA anyone?

[TahitiNut]

94. Bingo. And Dennis (AGAIN!) nailed it!

The others talk about (blame the victim!) EDUCATION when we're off-shoring jobs to some of the LEAST educated nations on earth and IMPORTING uneducated labor for the "jobs (white) Americans won't (supposedly) do" ... and WE HAVE COLLEGE GRADS working at McDonalds!!

It's NOT education!! It's greed and predation of corporate barons creating a SERFDOM!

Wipe out NAFTA. Wipe out WTO.

[IChing]

115. I was waiting for a canidate to talk about it and Dennis nailed that and

Africa.

[Le Taz Hot]

52. Gravel: "Outsourcing is

not the problem." Oy Vey!

[MalloyLiberal]

58. He didn't get applause for that one

[robinlynne]

60. He meant well, meant to go to the heart of the corporate greed, but didn't say it right.

[robinlynne]

68. i.e. outsourcing is a symptom of this whole economic system.

[JNelson6563]

54. Question on outsourcing!

Gravel answers first. He's ranting a bit.

Julie

[truebrit71]

61. I think he's ranting quite alot actually...

..

[Cameron27]

64. Yep

[ShortnFiery]

66. Richardson seemingly wants everyone to be a freaking science or math major.

:eyes:

[tblue]

124. Of course we should address that, but it's not the reason we have lost jobs

Maybe it's me, but he sure doesn't sound like a governor. He should be in his element when he speaks of domestic needs.

[truebrit71]

106. ..and then of course he ended the evening with a complete stinker...

... :eyes:

[ljm2002]

116. Yes he did, didn't he... too bad. n/t

[rucky]

65. Does Biden have a single-payer healthcare plan?

he alluded to it.

[rucky]

78. Dennis: Cancel NAFTA and WTO!

Woo-HOO

[Bjorn Against]

67. Some of the questions the moderators are asking are great questions

And the candidates are doing a great job answering them. It is nice to see a real debate rather than the corporate media fluff debates for once. PBS should host more debates they do a much better job than the cable networks, plus they are available to people who don't have cable.

What I would love to see even more than this however is for Amy Goodman to moderate a debate, now that would be incredible.

[tblue]

75. Oh yeah. Amy Goodman is brilliant and fearless and knows her stuff.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

69. All this talk about education---

What about we who got screwed after we sweated blood earning advanced college degrees?
Huh? Age discrimination?

Also, Hillary doesn't like outsourcing and she wants better trade agreements.
She musta forgot completely about Bill pushing NAFTA. Blech.

[ljm2002]

72. I just have to say...

...I am very proud of the entire bunch of Democratic candidates tonight.

You know what's the best thing though? The Democratic message is coming through loud and clear tonight. Let's hope they all mean it. Any one of them would be infinitely preferable than any of the Republic candidates.

[ShortnFiery]

86. True. "Any one of them would be infinitely preferable than any of the Republic candidates."

But so would a clutch of subterranean troglodytes. :spray:

That is, our Democratic Candidates rate a higher bar than the BEST Republicans have to offer. ;)

[ShortnFiery]

73. Dennis Kucinich ROCKS the House tonight!

:applause: :patriot:

[WinkyDink]

74. Go, Dennis! Great line about NAFTA!

[tblue]

81. Yeah! He gets it!

[marlakay]

76. I love Gavel and Dennis in the debates

they force the others to really deal with the issues.

[TahitiNut]

109. Which MORE than reason enough to contribute and support their voices!!

NOW is the time to get behind those who really "say it like it is"!

Whether or not they get the nomination, THEIR VOICES IMPROVE the political process!

[Synnical]

77. I scream, we all scream for Ice Cream

Can you say Pandering? I love me some Dennis, though.

[IChing]

79. Dennis .......end NAAFTA. a democratic president started it and a

democratic president will end it...........Dennis you rock

[Klukie]

80. I love Dennis!

[Cameron27]

83. Wow Dennis is on tonight.

I'm more impressed by his performance than anyone tonight---and I've never been a Kucinich supporter lol.

[Gregorian]

84. Darfur. Finally. Finally it is mentioned.

An extremely important issue that finally gets attention it needs.

[rocktivity]

85. Tavis should send a copy of this to Tweety and Wolf

THIS is what a national forum looks like!

:bounce:
rocknation

[helderheid]

88. Hey, why can't WE?

[SeattleGirl]

89. A debate with brains. I think it would be over their heads.

[Le Taz Hot]

87. More warmongering

from Hillary. Could someone please tell this person that violence is NOT the answer!

[IChing]

92. It was a little warlike wasn't it?

[Individualist]

96. DLC loves the military industrial complex.

:puke:

[SaveElmer]

97. Every other candidate has taken the same position...

Her answer was concise, on point, and correct...

[Le Taz Hot]

118. No, that would be incorrect.

Kucinich hasn't promised to bomb anyone!

[SaveElmer]

121. Every serious candidate...

Has taken the same position...a position that seemed quite popular with the audience btw...

Also, no one said they would bomb anyone...they would enforce a no fly zone to prevent Sudan from bombing refugees...

[Le Taz Hot]

125. Incorrect again.

Hillary DID say she wanted to bomb. Read the transcript. Damn, you're on a roll!

[ellisonz]

127. He wasn't talking about Dennis or Barack.

[SaveElmer]

91. I keep waiting for Richardson to improve his performance...

In these debates...but he just doesn't have it...

[Cameron27]

93. Richardson's very dissapointing.

[IChing]

104. He praised bush........bad move.

[tblue]

112. I get the feeling his political instincts are a little soggy. Not that he wouldn't be a good pres,

but he just missed a lot of opportunities to show he had well thought out plans and insights. I thought his performance was weak.

[IChing]

114. When he supported Gonzales also WTF was that about?

Hispanic loyalty?

[tblue]

122. Thanks for the reminder. Yeah, Richardson is out.

[SeattleGirl]

95. Right on, John! Darfur is part of a bigger problem!

Good on ya!

[Solly Mack]

98. Did anyone submit a question at the PBS site?

and if so, was it addressed?

[jillan]

99. Why does Obama answer questions with questions?

[ShortnFiery]

107. Yes, but Obama found his center with this last question - but damn, Dennis ROCKS! n/t

[IChing]

100. Dennis on corporations in Africa......

he just hit it out of park again.

[Gregorian]

101. Dennis nails the Darfur issue. The reason it's happening at all. Oil/coprations.

He is fantastic.

[helderheid]

102. THREAD 4 UP

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1208069

[Cameron27]

103. Dennis !

[robinlynne]

105. Kucinich's end to the debate was fantastic!

[Cameron27]

108. Dennis won it.

[Individualist]

111. No contest!

[jillan]

110. When it comes to foreign affairs - Biden makes me feel safe.

[Cameron27]

113. Biden did very well again. His experience pays off.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

117. Senator Biden will always be on the side of American citizens. Well, mostly always.

He has sponsored and/or supported many House Bills with which the majority of us agree.

He has also been blatant in casting votes for his corporate sponsors/donors.

The credit card industry. MKJ

[TheWatcher]

126. Because after all, "feeling safe" is what is most important

Feeling good, feeling powerful, feeling comfortable, insulating from any reality or uncomfortable Truth.

Uniquely American.

The real people you need to feel safe from are in Washington, not hiding in a cave.

[SaveElmer]

119. Hillary, Biden and Kucinich did the best...

Richardson the worst...

Gravel is just bat shit crazy so don't really rate him...


The rest did ok...

[Penndems]

120. Outstanding debate - best I've seen so far

Kudos to Tavis Smiley for his outstanding job as moderator.