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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-04-07 10:31 PM Original message |
The NY Times Has the Last Word on "Articulate" --->>> |
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WHEN CRABS ROAR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-04-07 10:35 PM Response to Original message |
1. Once again. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 08:35 AM Response to Reply #1 |
40. Me, too. What a relief that would be after 8 yrs. of listening to Shrub. |
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klook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-04-07 10:55 PM Response to Original message |
2. Good stuff--thanks. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-04-07 10:57 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. "Such a pretty face" for an overweight girl. |
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klook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-04-07 11:04 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. Wow, you read my mind. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-04-07 11:06 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. ... |
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TroglodyteScholar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 11:03 AM Response to Reply #3 |
88. "He's gay, but he doesn't wear it on his sleeve..." |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 12:10 AM Response to Reply #2 |
16. It's certainly brought out some surprising responses. |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 07:13 AM Response to Reply #16 |
241. Hey Stephanie, THIS IS WHY |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-04-07 11:01 PM Response to Original message |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-04-07 11:03 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. I'm sorry. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 10:59 AM Response to Reply #5 |
85. If that shocks you, try reading at freeperville |
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CatWoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-04-07 11:06 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. *whew* |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-04-07 11:50 PM Response to Reply #8 |
15. too weird, right? |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 10:53 AM Response to Reply #8 |
81. That's a really week response |
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CatWoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 07:16 PM Response to Reply #81 |
191. well damn |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-04-07 11:07 PM Response to Reply #4 |
10. Oh good grief |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 10:52 AM Response to Reply #10 |
80. The "you don't get it card" is so old |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 01:45 PM Response to Reply #80 |
157. Since that post was deleted |
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blonndee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-04-07 11:13 PM Response to Reply #4 |
11. My god. |
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klook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-04-07 11:16 PM Response to Reply #4 |
12. Thanks for the Bizarro World perspective. |
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CatWoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-04-07 11:19 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. BIZARRO!!!! BIZARRO!!!!! BIZARRO!!!!! |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-04-07 11:16 PM Response to Reply #4 |
13. You know what, little girl? I'm wondering if you read the ariticle, baby. |
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Katherine Brengle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 12:44 AM Response to Reply #13 |
23. You forgot "bless your heart" or whatever that bullcrap is. |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 12:51 AM Response to Reply #23 |
25. Forget your meds? |
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Katherine Brengle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 12:53 AM Response to Reply #25 |
26. It's just getting old - |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 08:52 AM Response to Reply #26 |
42. If you are so tired of the subject .... |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 10:56 AM Response to Reply #26 |
82. What does it take to "get it?" |
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CatWoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 07:22 PM Response to Reply #82 |
193. now I get it |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 10:33 AM Response to Reply #25 |
71. Stereotypes are ubiquitous |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 12:17 PM Response to Reply #71 |
121. If you read the article, it might help illuminate the issue |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 01:00 PM Original message |
No, it suggests that the recipient is comparatively different from other *people*. |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 02:32 PM Response to Original message |
164. Let's review Biden's entire comment |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 07:13 PM Response to Reply #164 |
190. This thread is about the NY times Op-Ed which purports to be the last word. |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 08:16 PM Response to Reply #190 |
201. Not to make you crazy but,, how often do you use the term "folks?" |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 08:23 PM Response to Reply #201 |
203. Good catch! |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 08:38 PM Response to Reply #201 |
209. Being a white person, I'm comfortable with "white folks" |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 08:53 PM Response to Reply #209 |
212. I frequently use the word "folks." |
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AbbyR (734 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 08:37 AM Response to Reply #201 |
245. I use "folks" all the time |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 09:52 AM Response to Reply #245 |
250. You do. |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 08:12 PM Response to Reply #164 |
200. Let's try it this way > |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 08:25 PM Response to Reply #200 |
204. If I'm not mistaken |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 08:26 PM Response to Reply #204 |
205. Oh okay - let me try again. |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 08:56 PM Response to Reply #205 |
213. ... |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 10:01 AM Response to Reply #13 |
56. What is this "little girl" business? |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 10:14 AM Response to Reply #56 |
62. Let me explain it to you. |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 10:42 AM Response to Reply #62 |
72. Most Of Us Absolutely See Where Those Who Were Offended Are Coming From. |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 10:50 AM Response to Reply #72 |
77. aren't you glossing over that he said -for a black man...he's articulate? |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 11:07 AM Response to Reply #77 |
89. I Cannot Gloss Over Something That Was NEVER Said. |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 11:12 AM Response to Reply #89 |
91. me and most of the general public perceived an insult, you're the minority here |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 11:19 AM Response to Reply #91 |
95. Please Tell Me That Isn't The Best You Can Do. If So, That Was Pretty Sad. |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 11:28 AM Response to Reply #95 |
99. i know i shoulda went for the Vague Personal Insult instead of facts.... |
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sniffa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 11:30 AM Response to Reply #99 |
100. betty!! |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 11:39 AM Response to Reply #100 |
109. Deleted message |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 12:46 PM Response to Reply #134 |
137. i'm always going dislike bigots, so crawl back under your rock, okay? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 12:52 PM Response to Reply #137 |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 01:12 PM Response to Reply #137 |
145. As Am I. Hence My Defense Against It. |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 11:33 AM Response to Reply #99 |
104. Facts? ROFLMAO!!!!!! |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 11:37 AM Response to Reply #104 |
106. the vast majority including biden say it was a blunder |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 11:43 AM Response to Reply #106 |
113. Big Difference Between Acknowledging Something Could've Been Said Better And Claiming It To Have |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 11:48 AM Response to Reply #113 |
114. it could have been said better only because it is Easily Construed as Racist. Point, Match. |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 12:10 PM Response to Reply #114 |
117. You So Silly. See, Just Cause Some Took It That Way, Doesn't Mean It Was. |
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AbbyR (734 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 08:46 AM Response to Reply #114 |
246. OK, I have a question |
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Scout1071 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 12:16 PM Response to Reply #106 |
120. It was a blunder. And it was a racist innuendo. |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 12:19 PM Response to Reply #120 |
123. "when white people say that a black person is articulate it does mean articulate for a black person" |
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Scout1071 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 12:39 PM Response to Reply #123 |
130. Uh, did you read the article? |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 12:43 PM Response to Reply #130 |
132. exactly, they may compliment a particular speech, or acknowledge particular actions |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 12:49 PM Response to Reply #132 |
139. No It Isn't. It Is Used In This Way In Politics All The Time Regardless Of Race Or Gender. |
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Scout1071 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 01:00 PM Response to Reply #139 |
142. You can't see the forest for the trees OC. |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 01:18 PM Response to Reply #142 |
147. Actually I've Seen Everything Just Fine, But Nice Try. Furthermore, |
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Scout1071 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 01:43 PM Response to Reply #147 |
155. No, you haven't shown that at all. |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 02:11 PM Response to Reply #155 |
161. What Utter Absurdity. Have You Not Been Paying Attention At All? |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 11:06 PM Response to Reply #161 |
236. Biden's old enough to know and old enough to know better. |
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Scout1071 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 01:49 PM Response to Reply #147 |
159. My comment below was intended to be a reply to this. |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 12:46 PM Response to Reply #130 |
136. That's Where You Are 100% Wrong. It Is Used In Politics ALL THE TIME In That Way. All The |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 06:17 PM Response to Reply #123 |
188. Hi OMC |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 08:05 PM Response to Reply #188 |
198. For One Very Simple Reason, Which I Hope You'll Take Into Consideration: |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 12:24 PM Response to Reply #120 |
125. how surprising it was for biden to find so many good qualities in a black man! |
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Scout1071 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 12:47 PM Response to Reply #125 |
138. In all fairness Bettyellen, I don' think it was either. |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 12:58 PM Response to Reply #138 |
141. well, youre a damned sight more mature than many others here... |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 10:49 AM Response to Reply #56 |
76. Exactly. Hello. |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 05:17 PM Response to Reply #13 |
178. I LOVE this post... |
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Sydnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 12:35 AM Response to Reply #4 |
20. I am white |
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Tactical Progressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 03:22 AM Response to Reply #20 |
35. Except that Biden's expression wasn't one of 'amazement' |
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Sydnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 10:21 AM Response to Reply #35 |
66. It wasn't 30 years ago, don't know where you got that impression |
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Tactical Progressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 02:25 PM Response to Reply #66 |
163. See how you avoid discussing every substantive point? |
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Sydnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 04:33 PM Response to Reply #163 |
175. From your post |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 10:50 AM Response to Reply #35 |
78. Come on, Biden is not "amazed" at that |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 01:34 PM Response to Reply #35 |
151. he called it "storybook" which would include a sense of "amazement" yes.... |
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Tactical Progressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 03:24 PM Response to Reply #151 |
169. The storybook comment at the end |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 03:36 PM Response to Reply #169 |
170. "you people" ?!?? LOL.... wow, if you can characterize me and others like that..... |
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Tactical Progressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 03:41 PM Response to Reply #170 |
171. You people being the majority Biden attackers on this thread |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 04:32 PM Response to Reply #169 |
174. what's absurd is thinking this is about "finding a way" to hurt Joe, he did it on his own |
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Tactical Progressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 05:07 PM Response to Reply #174 |
177. Well, I can see that as one possibly valid interpretation |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 05:28 PM Response to Reply #177 |
182. yes, i think he believes he's the first black politican to posess ALL those good qualities..... |
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Tactical Progressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 05:55 PM Response to Reply #182 |
185. He said first mainstream |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 06:06 PM Response to Reply #185 |
186. "first mainstream african american" why are you avoiding that so..... |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 10:04 AM Response to Reply #20 |
57. I have also spoken publicly and been complimented |
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Katherine Brengle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 12:43 AM Response to Reply #4 |
22. A-f*in-men. |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 12:56 AM Response to Reply #22 |
28. Don't get all emotional about it. |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 01:27 AM Response to Reply #28 |
31. Bless her heart, she tries so hard. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 10:59 AM Response to Reply #22 |
84. Yes, walking on egg shells and that is what should not be |
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Kerrytravelers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 01:06 AM Response to Reply #4 |
29. I would suggest spending time on the African-American board. |
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Scout1071 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 01:07 PM Response to Reply #29 |
143. Excellent post. |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 05:46 AM Response to Reply #4 |
36. (Heard over the loudspeaker..) |
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Brewman_Jax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 09:04 AM Response to Reply #4 |
43. Another one using the |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 10:26 AM Response to Reply #4 |
68. "some blacks" want racism to endure..... and I'm sure you're happy to oblige them, eh? |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 11:02 AM Response to Reply #68 |
86. Well, so there is no complimenting people or criticizing their |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 11:23 AM Response to Reply #86 |
97. just knowing you think victims want to perpetuate their own ill treatement to what? |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 10:48 AM Response to Reply #4 |
75. Well it looks like nobody wants to really discuss these issues |
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sniffa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 10:57 AM Response to Reply #75 |
83. yep, onLy about 10 responses to you or more... |
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TroglodyteScholar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 11:40 AM Response to Reply #83 |
110. LOL -- best response to this garbage YET |
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Scout1071 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 12:34 PM Response to Reply #75 |
128. Nobody is calling you a racist. Insensitive, but not racist. |
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Patiod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 11:21 AM Response to Reply #4 |
96. When I was a teenager, I never understood why some people |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 04:26 PM Response to Reply #96 |
173. Enlightening post... thanks for sharing your story. n/t |
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klook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 10:46 PM Response to Reply #96 |
233. Great post |
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TroglodyteScholar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 11:31 AM Response to Reply #4 |
101. You can't be serious... |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-04-07 11:04 PM Response to Original message |
7. Should Biden go to rehab? |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 12:17 AM Response to Reply #7 |
17. Biden needs to get over himself. |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 06:14 AM Response to Reply #17 |
38. The thing is, he never thought for a second there was anything wrong. |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 10:13 AM Response to Reply #38 |
59. I Think The Most Offensive Word He Used. . . |
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Tactical Progressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 04:25 PM Response to Reply #59 |
172. Oh JESUS!!! |
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Kerry fan (351 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 12:23 AM Response to Original message |
18. Biden may be somewhat naive, |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 12:31 AM Response to Reply #18 |
19. Well I'm glad to hear it. |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 01:29 AM Response to Reply #19 |
32. Now that's racist! |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 01:31 AM Response to Reply #32 |
33. D'oh! |
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Katherine Brengle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 12:49 AM Response to Reply #18 |
24. Great post. nt |
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Patiod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 11:33 AM Response to Reply #18 |
103. Not to get OT |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 12:39 AM Response to Original message |
21. It's too bad Joe isn't 'articulate.' Just a good ol' boy from Delaware. |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 12:56 AM Response to Original message |
27. Can we put this whole thing to rest yet? |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 01:23 AM Response to Reply #27 |
30. This article was in the NY Times today (Sunday). |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 01:31 AM Response to Reply #30 |
34. Oh ok. Good progression I guess. |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 05:48 AM Response to Original message |
37. I thought we considered the NYT to be MSM. Oh well, |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 09:41 AM Response to Reply #37 |
48. Yes, so when even the TIMES agrees with the radical lefties here at DU.... |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 09:53 AM Response to Reply #48 |
52. Perhaps. I only note with some interest that they can be the |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 09:56 AM Response to Reply #52 |
53. LOL. It does seem that way, doesn't it. n/t |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 09:57 AM Response to Reply #48 |
54. Either That, Or Maybe You Treat As Gospel That Which Agrees With You But Shun That Which Doesn't. |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 10:17 AM Response to Reply #54 |
63. I am not interested in your advice. |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 10:21 AM Response to Reply #63 |
67. Hey, Not Being Interested In Sound Advice Is Your Problem. Tis The Way Of Fools, Though. |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 10:29 AM Response to Reply #67 |
70. As you studiously avoid my question. |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 10:48 AM Response to Reply #70 |
74. Focus Stephanie, Focus. That Has Absosmurfly Nothing To Do With This Conversation. |
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trumad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 08:32 AM Response to Original message |
39. God it's really simple with this Biden thing. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 08:51 AM Response to Original message |
41. That may be the last word on the issue from the African-American |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 09:30 AM Response to Reply #41 |
45. please read the article |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 09:41 AM Response to Reply #45 |
47. I did read the article, and found it one-sided. |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 09:13 AM Response to Original message |
44. Not A Last Word By Any Stretch. Pretty Silly To Say So, Really. Just Some Misguided Opinion Piece. |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 09:33 AM Response to Reply #44 |
46. You are consistently on the wrong side of every argument. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 09:49 AM Response to Reply #46 |
49. Did you forget we're supposed to avoid "broad brush smears"? |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 09:51 AM Response to Reply #49 |
51. Those Who Are Unable To Defend Their Positions Generally Resort To Personal Attack As Defense. |
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blonndee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 12:21 PM Response to Reply #51 |
124. Oh, the irony. n/t |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 09:49 AM Response to Reply #46 |
50. Maybe Your Perception Of What The Right Side Of An Argument Is, Is Skewed. In Reality, However, |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 10:09 AM Response to Reply #50 |
58. That's very cute with the lower case "stephanie" |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 10:18 AM Response to Reply #58 |
64. That's Very Cute How You Once Again Were Incapable Of Replying To Context. So Weak. |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 10:27 AM Response to Reply #64 |
69. Well it reminds me of the whole Democrat/Democratic thing. |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 10:50 AM Response to Reply #69 |
79. That's An Amazingly Flawed Analogy. You're Really Reaching Now. n/t |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 08:02 PM Response to Reply #79 |
197. Not really. You thought you'd get a little dig in at me by putting my name in l/c. Twice. |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 08:08 PM Response to Reply #197 |
199. Focus Stephanie. Focus. |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 08:22 PM Response to Reply #199 |
202. But it's absolutely germane! You'd like to patronize me, you'd like to get in a little dig at me. |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 08:35 PM Response to Reply #202 |
208. Oy Vey. |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 08:38 PM Response to Reply #208 |
210. The context of the thread is exactly what we are discussing. |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 08:48 PM Response to Reply #210 |
211. This Has To Be One Of The Silliest Debates I've Ever Had. My God LOL |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 08:59 PM Response to Reply #211 |
214. How many times do I have to tell you, I AM NOT INTERESTED IN YOUR ADVICE |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 09:10 PM Response to Reply #214 |
216. ... |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 09:14 PM Response to Reply #216 |
217. Why does that bore you? Why can't you address the issue? |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 09:15 PM Response to Reply #217 |
218. ... |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 09:16 PM Response to Reply #218 |
219. Very mature. |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 10:20 PM Response to Reply #219 |
225. OC's already acknowledged Biden could have been articulated it better..... |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 11:02 PM Response to Reply #225 |
235. ... |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 11:50 PM Response to Reply #235 |
237. brilliant! |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 10:45 AM Response to Reply #44 |
73. Hey OMC! |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 11:03 AM Response to Reply #73 |
87. I Disagree With That Premise And Here's Why: |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 11:09 AM Response to Reply #87 |
90. so if you pretend it's math and not english, baggage free and not "clean"... |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 11:18 AM Response to Reply #90 |
93. Gee, Maybe Cause That's What He Meant By It. |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 11:35 AM Response to Reply #93 |
105. the sterotype is not just unshowered, but go on and play dumb if you need to. |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 10:30 PM Response to Reply #93 |
230. What the fuck makes you think that he meant to say that at all? |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 11:27 AM Response to Reply #87 |
98. Then We Agree on Some Details, But Fundamentally Disagree |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 11:32 AM Response to Reply #98 |
102. And Though I Disagree In Return, I Respect Your Position And Ability To Defend It. |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 11:41 AM Response to Reply #102 |
111. Same Here |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 05:36 PM Response to Reply #87 |
183. OH FUCKING BULLSHIT LOLOLOLOLOL |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 06:11 PM Response to Reply #183 |
187. With All Due Respect, Your Post Makes Zero Sense. |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 10:24 PM Response to Reply #187 |
228. uh-huh :D |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 11:01 PM Response to Reply #228 |
234. You Failed To Address 2 Things: 1st, You Failed To Address That I Explained HOW It Didn't Make Sense |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 01:29 PM Response to Reply #234 |
254. well you're the go-to man for pointlessness... |
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verse18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 09:58 AM Response to Original message |
55. Also, the problem with the "articulate" negro |
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Scout1071 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 01:23 PM Response to Reply #55 |
148. Excuse me, |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 10:14 AM Response to Original message |
60. some continue to deny the inherent subtext |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 09:46 PM Response to Reply #60 |
222. ! |
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rpgamerd00d (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 10:14 AM Response to Original message |
61. Was bullshit yesterday. Is bullshit today. Will be bullshit tomorrow. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 10:19 AM Response to Original message |
65. Fifth Recommendation |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 11:17 AM Response to Original message |
92. I will continue to call anybody who is articulate, articulate |
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rpgamerd00d (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 11:19 AM Response to Reply #92 |
94. Exactly. I can't believe people keep posting these moronic threads. |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 11:37 AM Response to Reply #92 |
108. and you still don't get it .... |
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rpgamerd00d (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 11:42 AM Response to Reply #108 |
112. And you still don't get it. |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 12:07 PM Response to Reply #112 |
116. only have power if you give them power, very good point |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 01:33 PM Response to Reply #116 |
149. I think you both completely miss the issue. |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 01:38 PM Response to Reply #149 |
153. oh, excuse me, I think I will just stop complimenting people altogether |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 01:45 PM Response to Reply #153 |
158. Like I said before, go ahead and ignore the point of the conversation. |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 02:08 PM Response to Reply #158 |
160. so just because someone hears something the way they want, |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 02:43 PM Response to Reply #160 |
166. Most African-Americans hear it this way. |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 04:49 PM Response to Reply #160 |
176. it's considered more professional to keep your comments focused on the work, not the person |
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rpgamerd00d (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 05:25 PM Response to Reply #160 |
181. They just don't get it. |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 10:21 PM Response to Reply #160 |
226. well, if one knows there is a high chance of it being taken negatively, then why say it if you're |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 06:47 AM Response to Reply #226 |
240. if I thought THAT, of course I wouldn't say it. DUH! |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 01:20 PM Response to Reply #240 |
252. that's priceless |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 12:02 PM Response to Reply #108 |
115. this controversy over the word "articulate" is first I've heard of it |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 01:41 PM Response to Reply #115 |
154. He is not African-American but a different cultural group. |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 02:14 PM Response to Reply #154 |
162. yes, he is from another culture and grew up speaking patois |
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Scout1071 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 03:07 PM Response to Reply #162 |
168. You got it. |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 11:37 AM Response to Original message |
107. You're pretty smart for a liberal! |
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piedmont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 12:10 PM Response to Reply #107 |
118. Oh no! We have to get rid of "smart!" nt |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 12:33 PM Response to Reply #118 |
127. How about "you're pretty sharp, for a liberal?" |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 12:19 PM Response to Original message |
122. "Al Sharpton is incredibly articulate" |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 12:39 PM Response to Reply #122 |
129. I have had people tell me that saying I was incredibly smart and competent for a woman |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 12:42 PM Response to Reply #129 |
131. well, anything with "for a whatever" attached to it is patronizing |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 12:45 PM Response to Reply #131 |
135. It's Pretty Hard To Miss The Implication, Isn't It? |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 01:18 PM Response to Reply #131 |
146. but Biden prefaced his compliments with for an African American... |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 01:34 PM Response to Reply #146 |
150. yes, that's why it was distasteful, it was patronizing--why did he even |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 01:44 PM Response to Reply #150 |
156. there ya go. |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 12:43 PM Response to Reply #129 |
133. OK |
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Jonathan50 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 01:11 PM Response to Original message |
144. Is it then impossible for a caucasian to complement a black person |
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NewJeffCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 01:36 PM Response to Reply #144 |
152. It's the way things are said |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 02:38 PM Response to Reply #144 |
165. When complimenting a person, don't imply that they are unusual for "their group" |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 02:44 PM Response to Reply #165 |
167. Nicely put. |
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Jonathan50 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 05:24 PM Response to Reply #165 |
180. I understand that part, making comparisons. |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 05:44 PM Response to Reply #180 |
184. if you act suprised that a person you just met is articulate or well informed, they may assume |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 07:11 PM Response to Reply #184 |
189. Hey Bettyellen!! You have articulated the PERFECT SOLUTION!!! |
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Jonathan50 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 07:28 PM Response to Reply #184 |
194. I'm genuinely surprised when I meet a well informed person |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 07:50 PM Response to Reply #194 |
196. You DO that. |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 10:09 PM Response to Reply #194 |
224. you ignore the solution right in front of you? and claim to be so smart? stubborn and self righteous |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 10:30 PM Response to Reply #194 |
231. that's a cop-out. Listening is hard work, but it's worth it n/t |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 10:29 PM Response to Reply #144 |
229. It really isn't difficult at all, Jonathan50 |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 05:19 PM Response to Original message |
179. Yay The Times... |
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Bucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 07:19 PM Response to Original message |
192. That's a very well reasoned article... for a woman writer |
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VOX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 07:31 PM Response to Reply #192 |
195. Bucky, I want you to go to your room right now! |
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laureloak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 08:32 PM Response to Original message |
206. Being called articulte is a compliment and I intend to continue |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 09:02 PM Response to Reply #206 |
215. Please continue using the N-word too. |
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laureloak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 08:25 AM Response to Reply #215 |
243. I dont use the N word. But if I compliment someone by saying |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 09:50 AM Response to Reply #243 |
249. Words delivered with hostility |
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laureloak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 10:23 AM Response to Reply #249 |
251. Like I said, take it or leave it. Your choice. |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 02:55 PM Response to Reply #251 |
256. I prefer to avoid bigots whenever possible. |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 10:36 PM Response to Reply #206 |
232. well that sounds nice and passive-aggressive |
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laureloak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 08:27 AM Response to Reply #232 |
244. They can get their ass off their shoulders and choose not |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 01:28 PM Response to Reply #244 |
253. like I said: passive-aggressive. If you know there's a high chance of something being received |
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lvx35 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 08:33 PM Response to Original message |
207. Oh God. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 09:26 PM Response to Original message |
220. I apologize on behalf of Clueless, Self-Righteous White People, all of them, ever. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 09:34 PM Response to Reply #220 |
221. Deleted message |
Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 09:53 PM Response to Reply #220 |
223. Thank you. It's the impenetrable denial and ridicule... |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 10:23 PM Response to Reply #223 |
227. It's fear. Maybe more than fear of blacks/women/TheOther, it's the fear of responsibility |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 07:33 AM Response to Reply #227 |
242. That abdication of responsibility is PRECISELY |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 02:49 PM Response to Reply #242 |
255. OOPS! I mean here: |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 11:55 PM Response to Reply #220 |
238. thank you |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 12:23 AM Response to Reply #238 |
239. and others. thanks for helping the healing. |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 09:05 AM Response to Reply #220 |
247. I can't express how HAPPY I am to read that. Thank you. |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 09:17 AM Response to Original message |
248. I love this thread. It shows who are the fuckwits who can barely hide their bigotry & condescension. |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 09:22 PM Response to Original message |
257. EVERYBODY TAKE IT TO THE TOP... WE'RE GONNA... |
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