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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 01:00 PM
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Poll question: Is Cindy Sheehan hallucinating?
In her announcement that she is running against Speaker Pelosi, Ms. Sheehan asserts that Congressman Conyers introduced a bill to impeach Bush a year ago:

A year ago he introduced HR635 to impeach George Bush while he was Ranking Member of the House Judiciary Committee and not even chairman.

http://www.michaelmoore.com/mustread/index.php?id=896

Last year there was an HR635. It was a bill introduced by Nancy Johnson, and if passed it would have designated Poland as a program country for purposes of the Immigration and Nationality Act's visa waiver program:

http://www.thomas.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d109:HR00635:@@@D&summ2=m&
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zonmoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 01:07 PM
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1. probably got the bill number wrong.
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 01:09 PM
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2. It was an investigation of the Administration's attempt to go to war w/o congressional auth.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d109:h.res.00635:

H.RES.635
Title: Creating a select committee to investigate the Administration's intent to go to war before congressional authorization, manipulation of pre-war intelligence, encouraging and countenancing torture, retaliating against critics, and to make recommendations regarding grounds for possible impeachment.
Sponsor: Rep Conyers, John, Jr. (introduced 12/18/2005) Cosponsors (38)
Latest Major Action: 12/18/2005 Referred to House committee. Status: Referred to the House Committee on Rules.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 01:12 PM
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8. In other words, an investigation, but not impeachment
Exactly what is going on right now.
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 01:13 PM
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9. Yes
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 01:23 PM
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16. An investigation to make recommendations for possible grounds for impeachment
No, what is going on now is the normal oversite functions of congress. Except they aren't normal, because thay can't hardley get any people or documents to testify or to perform oversite.

Conyers bill was to investigate and make recommendations for possible grounds for impeachment.

It's not surprizing that you might be confused (as per your OP) or as per the function of the Conyers bill and how it differs from regular old oversite hearings.

People are often confused by such things.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 04:53 PM
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37. There are no Resolutions to investigate Impeachment right now. If you know of one,
please provide a link.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 07:09 AM
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41. Yet there are investigations, and any member of Congress can introduce articles of impeachment
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 01:09 PM
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3. Here is the correct answer. No opinion poll needed.
Edited on Tue Jul-24-07 01:14 PM by jobycom
H.RES.635
Title: Creating a select committee to investigate the Administration's intent to go to war before congressional authorization, manipulation of pre-war intelligence, encouraging and countenancing torture, retaliating against critics, and to make recommendations regarding grounds for possible impeachment.
Sponsor: Rep Conyers, John, Jr. (introduced 12/18/2005) Cosponsors (38)
Latest Major Action: 12/18/2005 Referred to House committee. Status: Referred to the House Committee on Rules.

Edited bad link. Link in post #2.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 01:16 PM
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11. In other words it called for an investigation, rather than impeachment
Isn't that what Mr. Conyers is doing right now?
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 01:28 PM
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21. No, you are confusing oversite with an investigation to make recommendations regarding grou
for possible impeachment.

Conyers bill specifically called for investigations possibly leading to impeachment.

If you do a search into the currant oversite hearings, you will find that there purpose aren't to make recommendations regarding grounds for possible impeachment.

In other words. Coyers bill was to do an impeachment investigation. Unlike the current oversite hearings.

Got it?


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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 03:08 PM
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34. That's not my argument. Only that Sheehan referred to a different resolution than
the one you cited in your OP. Thus, Sheehan is not hallucinating, as you said. She may have somewhat overstated the intent of the bill concerning impeachment, but it wasn't a resolution about Poland. thus, your thread title and post were wrongly accusatory.

Now, if you want to start a thread with the proper resolution, and rather than the attack on Sheehan, ask "Is Cindy overstating Conyers's resolution concerning impeachment?" you'd have a valid question, then your opinion poll would be more appropriate.

If you are asking my opinion of Conyers, impeachment, and Sheehan, I'll give it. I love Cindy. She's beautiful. I'll not impugn her. But she's wrong on this. Conyers and others are investigating with the idea of impeaching. She and other IMPEACH RIGHT FUCKING NOW folk are completely off. We can't impeach right now, we have no iron-clad evidence of an impeachable offense on which to impeach, or at least none that will absolutely convince enough Republicans to vote to actually remove Bush. If we do impeach RIGHT FUCKING NOW, we will be no better than the Gingrich Republicans, we will fail, we will waste valuable time, we might prolong the war, and we might miss a real opportunity to impeach once these investigations get going. In fact, we might build a better case to impeach over Bush's refusal to recognize the US government's authority to ask him questions.

So I disagree with Sheehan, and am a bit frustrated with what she's doing. I disagree with the IRFN crowd, and their refusal to grasp simple concepts. I do want to see impeachment, but I want our guys to take their time, aim, and get a clear shot, figuratively speaking. And basically, I trust, at least in this, our elected officials to do what they can, since I know enough people in politics to know that they all want Bush to pay for what he's done.

But I understand why Cindy doesn't trust them, and I'm not going to turn on her just because I think I'm right and she's wrong on this. We both want the exact same thing, we just have different ideas of how to get it.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 01:11 PM
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4. Here it is
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d109:h.res.00635:

The term "HR635" designates a bill intended to become law. The term "H Res635" designates a resolution before the House, with no force of law.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 01:17 PM
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12. No mention of impeachment in that H. Res 635
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 01:23 PM
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15. It's in the title
"Creating a select committee to investigate the Administration's intent to go to war before congressional authorization, manipulation of pre-war intelligence, encouraging and countenancing torture, retaliating against critics, and to make recommendations regarding grounds for possible impeachment."
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 01:11 PM
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5. US Rep. John Conyers (D-MI), sponsored a bill, H Res 635, impeachment of Bush and Cheney
Edited on Tue Jul-24-07 01:12 PM by Breeze54
PREVIOUS BILLS

http://www.politicalaffairs.net/article/articleview/5505/1/268/

Atlanta Progressive News has followed the possible impeachment of Bush and Cheney more closely than any other news agency on the planet.

Prior to H Res 333, there was McKinney’s bill, H Res 1106, which had no cosponsors.

Also, US Rep. John Conyers (D-MI), now Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, had sponsored a bill, H Res 635, which ended up with 39 cosponsors by the end of the Session.

The 39 total co-sponsors of H Res. 635 were US Rep. Neil Abercrombie (D-HI), Rep. Tammy Baldwin (D-WI), Rep. Michael Capuano (D-MA), Rep. Lois Capps (D-CA), Rep. William Lacy Clay (D-MO), Rep. John Conyers (D-MI), Rep. Danny Davis (D-IL), Rep. Sam Farr (D-CA), Rep. Chaka Fattah (D-PA), Rep. Bob Filner (D-CA), Rep. Maurice Hinchey (D-NY), Rep. Mike Honda (D-CA), Rep. Jackson, Jr., (D-IL), Rep. Sheila Jackson-Lee (D-TX), Rep. Barbara Lee (D-CA), Rep. John Lewis (D-GA), Rep. Carolyn Maloney (D-NY), Rep. Betty McCollum (D-MN), Rep. Jim McDermott (D-WA), Rep. Cynthia McKinney (D-GA), Rep. Gwen Moore (D-WI), Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-NY), Rep. James Oberstar (D-MN), Rep. John Olver (D-MA), Rep. Major Owens (D-NY), Rep. Donald Payne (D-NJ), Rep. Charles Rangel (D-NY), Rep. Steve Rothman (D-NJ), Rep. Martin Sabo (D-MN), Rep. Bernie Sanders (I-VT), Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-IL), Rep. Hilda Solis (D-CA), Rep. Fortney Pete Stark (D-CA), Rep. John Tierney (D-MA), Rep. Nydia Velazquez (D-NY), Rep. Maxine Waters (D-CA), Dianne Watson (D-CA), Rep. Lynn Woolsey (D-CA), and Rep. David Wu (D-OR).

It was largely viewed that US Rep. Conyers, the original sponsor of H Res 635, did not re-file his bill out of respect to Pelosi and his desire to be appointed Chair of the Judiciary Committee.

For more information about H Res 333 or impeaching members of the Bush Administration,
please see our previous coverage, listed on our homepage at www.atlantaprogressivenews.com

From Atlanta Progressive News
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 01:20 PM
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14. That bill only called for an invstigation, rather than calling for impeachment
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Resolved, That there is hereby established in the House of Representatives a select committee to be known as the Select Committee on Administration Predetermination to Go to War and... (Introduced in House)

HRES 635 IH


109th CONGRESS

1st Session

H. RES. 635
Creating a select committee to investigate the Administration's intent to go to war before congressional authorization, manipulation of pre-war intelligence, encouraging and countenancing torture, retaliating against critics, and to make recommendations regarding grounds for possible impeachment.


IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

December 18, 2005
Mr. CONYERS submitted the following resolution; which was referred to the Committee on Rules


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RESOLUTION
Creating a select committee to investigate the Administration's intent to go to war before congressional authorization, manipulation of pre-war intelligence, encouraging and countenancing torture, retaliating against critics, and to make recommendations regarding grounds for possible impeachment.


Resolved, That there is hereby established in the House of Representatives a select committee to be known as the Select Committee on Administration Predetermination to Go to War and Manipulation of Intelligence (in this resolution referred to as the `Select Committee').

PURPOSES AND FUNCTIONS

SEC. 2. (a) The Select Committee is authorized and directed to investigate all relevant government agencies actions and decisions relating to the Administration's intent to go to war before congressional authorization, manipulation of pre-war intelligence, encouraging and countenancing torture, and retaliating against critics, including:

(1) actions by the White House, National Security Council, Department of State, Department of Defense, and Central Intelligence Agency related to United Nations and Iraq Survey Group inspections of Iraq;

(2) knowledge of Iraq's ability regarding and intentions toward, or lack of ability regarding or intentions toward, nuclear weapons capability;

(3) knowledge regarding Iraq's possession of or attempted possession of, or regarding the lack of possession of or attempted possession of, chemical or biological weapons;

(4) knowledge of Iraq's possession of aluminum tubes for conventional rocket programs or for nuclear weapons development;

(5) knowledge regarding Iraq's intent, or lack of intent, toward acquiring yellowcake uranium from Niger;

(6) knowledge of any involvement, or lack of involvement, by Iraq in the September 11, 2001, attacks against the United States;

(7) knowledge of any connections or ties, or of any lack of connections or ties, between Iraq and al Qaeda;

(8) knowledge of any meeting, or lack of any meeting, between Iraqi intelligence officials and Mohammed Atta in Prague, Czechoslovakia;

(9) preparations for detention, interrogation and treatment of detainees, or lack thereof, made in the planning stages of the Iraq conflict prior to March 19, 2003;

(10) knowledge of abuses and mistreatment of detainees during the Iraq conflict after March 19, 2003;

(11) the investigation of abuses and mistreatment, or lack thereof, the results of these investigations, any sanctions or punishment of offenders, and any efforts to keep these reports either from supervisors, officials or the public;

(12) an examination of all prison facilities, including the High Value Detainee facility at Baghdad airport and secret prisons or `black sites,' for detaining individuals outside the United States;

(13) the extent to which civilian, military, or intelligence officials expressly authorized, willingly ignored, or created an atmosphere that condoned the abuses and mistreatment that occurred at Abu Ghraib, Iraq; and

(14) knowledge on the part of any White House officials of the covert identity of Valerie Plame Wilson and any discussion or communication by such officials with members of the media about such identity, and any failure to enforce Executive Order 12958.

APPOINTMENT AND MEMBERSHIP

SEC. 3. (a) Members- The Select Committee shall be composed of 20 Members of the House to be appointed by the Speaker, of whom--

(1) 10 Members shall be appointed upon the recommendation of the minority leader as set forth below;

(2) 1 Member he shall designate as chairman;

(3) 1 Member he shall designate, upon the recommendation of the minority leader, as vice chairman.

(4) 4 Members shall sit on the Committee on the Judiciary, of whom 2shall be appointed upon the recommendation of the minority leader;

(5) 4 Members shall sit on the Committee on International Relations, of whom 2 shall be appointed upon the recommendation of the minority leader;

(6) 4 Members shall sit on the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, of whom 2 shall be appointed upon the recommendation of the minority leader;

(7) 4 Members shall sit on the Committee on Government Reform, of whom 2 shall be appointed upon the recommendation of the minority leader; and

(8) 4 Members shall sit on the Committee on Armed Services, of whom 2 shall be appointed upon the recommendation of the minority leader.

(b) Vacancies- Any vacancy occurring in the membership of the Select Committee shall be filled in the same manner in which the original appointment was made.

(c) For purposes of this section, the term `Member' means any Representative in, or Delegate or Resident Commissioner to, the House of Representatives.

POWERS OF SELECT COMMITTEE

SEC. 4. (a) In General-

(1) HEARINGS AND EVIDENCE- The Select Committee or, on the authority of the Select Committee, any subcommittee or member thereof, may, for the purpose of carrying out this resolution--

(A) hold such hearings and sit and act at such times and places, take such testimony, receive such evidence, administer such oaths; and

(B) subject to paragraph (2)(A), require, by subpoena or otherwise, the attendance and testimony of such witnesses and the production of such books, records, correspondence, memoranda, papers, and documents, as the Select Committee or such designated subcommittee or designated member may determine advisable, including but not limited to--

(i) White House documents (e.g., memoranda, e-mails, notes of phone calls, handwritten notes);

(ii) Department of Defense documents;

(iii) Department of Justice materials;

(iv) Department of State documents;

(v) Central Intelligence Agency analyses;

(vi) Defense Intelligence Agency analyses;

(vii) National Security Council memoranda; and

(viii) Special Counsel Patrick Fitgzerald's notes, grand jury materials, and other evidence collected or created as part of the CIA leak investigation.

(2) SUBPOENAS-

(A) ISSUANCE-

(i) IN GENERAL- A subpoena may be issued under this section only--

(I) by the agreement of the chairman and the vice chairman; or

(II) by the affirmative vote of 10 members of the Select Committee.

(ii) SIGNATURE- Subject to clause (i), subpoenas issued under this subsection may be issued under the signature of the chairman or any member designated by a majority of the Select Committee, and may be served by any person designated by the chairman or by a member designated by a majority of the Select Committee.

(B) ENFORCEMENT-

(i) IN GENERAL- In the case of contumacy or failure to obey a subpoena issued under subsection (a), the United States district court for the judicial district in which the subpoenaed person resides, is served, or may be found, or where the subpoena is returnable, may issue an order requiring such person to appear at any designated place to testify or to produce documentary or other evidence. Any failure to obey the order of the court may be punished by the court as a contempt of that court.

(ii) ADDITIONAL ENFORCEMENT- In the case of any failure of any witness to comply with any subpoena or to testify when summoned under authority of this section, the Select Committee may, by majority vote, certify a statement of fact constituting such failure to the appropriate United States attorney, who may bring the matter before the grand jury for its action, under the same statutory authority and procedures as if the United States attorney had received a certification under sections 102 through 104 of the Revised Statutes of the United States (2 U.S.C. 192 through 194).

(b) Contracting- The Select Committee may, to such extent and in such amounts as are provided in appropriation Acts, enter into contracts to enable the Select Committee to discharge its duties under this resolution.

(c) Information From Federal Agencies-

(1) IN GENERAL- The Select Committee is authorized to secure directly from any executive department, bureau, agency, board, commission, office, independent establishment, or instrumentality of the Government, information, suggestions, estimates, and statistics for the purposes of this resolution. Each department, bureau, agency, board, commission, office, independent establishment, or instrumentality shall, to the extent authorized by law, furnish such information, suggestions, estimates, and statistics directly to the select committee, upon request made by the chairman, the chairman of any subcommittee created by a majority of the Select Committee, or any member designated by a majority of the Select Committee.

(2) RECEIPT, HANDLING, STORAGE, AND DISSEMINATION- Information shall only be received, handled, stored, and disseminated by members of the Select Committee and its staff consistent with all applicable statutes, regulations, and Executive orders.

(d) Assistance From Federal Agencies-

(1) GENERAL SERVICES ADMINISTRATION- The Administrator of General Services shall provide to the Select Committee on a reimbursable basis administrative support and other services for the performance of the Select Committee's functions.

(2) OTHER DEPARTMENTS AND AGENCIES- In addition to the assistance prescribed in paragraph (1), departments and agencies of the United States may provide to the Select Committee such services, funds, facilities, staff, and other support services as they may determine advisable and as may be authorized by law.

(e) Gifts- The Select Committee may accept, use, and dispose of gifts or donations of services or property.

(f) Postal Services- The Select Committee may use the United States mails in the same manner and under the same conditions as departments and agencies of the United States.

ADMINISTRATIVE PROVISIONS

SEC. 5. (a) Subject to the adoption of expenses resolutions as required by clause 5 of rule XI of the Rules of the House of Representatives, the Select Committee may incur expenses in connection with its functions under this resolution.

(b) In carrying out its functions under this resolution, the Select Committee, is authorized to--

(1) appoint, either on permanent basis or as experts or consultants, such staff as the Select Committee considers necessary;

(2) prescribe the duties and responsibilities of such staff;

(3) fix the compensation of such staff at a single per annum gross rate which does not exceed the highest rate of basic pay, as in effect from time to time, of level V of the Executive Schedule in section 5316 of title 5, United States Code;

(4) terminate the employment of any such staff as the Select Committee considers appropriate; and,

(5) reimburse members of the Select Committee and of its staff for travel, subsistence, and other necessary expenses incurred by them in the performance of their duties and responsibilities for the Select Committee, other than expenses in connection with any meeting of the Select Committee, or a subcommittee thereof, held in the District of Columbia.

(c) The Select Committee and all authority granted in this resolution shall expire 30 days after the filing of the report of the Select Committee with the House.

REPORTS OF SELECT COMMITTEE

SEC. 6. (a) The Select Committee shall report to the House as soon as practicable during the present Congress, but not later than six months after the date of passage of this resolution, the results of its investigation and study, together with such recommendations as it deems advisable. The Select Committee shall report to the Committee on the Judiciary as soon as practicable during the present Congress, but not later than six months after the date of passage of this resolution, of any substantial and credible information which such Select Committee receives in carrying out its responsibilities that may constitute grounds for possible impeachment.

(b) Any such report which is made when the House is not in session shall be filed with the Clerk of the House.

(c) Any such report shall be referred to the committee or committees which have jurisdiction over the subject matter thereof.

(d) The records, files, and materials of the Select Committee shall be transferred to the Clerk of the House but, if the report of the Select Committee is referred to only one committee under the provisions of subsection (c), the records, files, and materials of the Select Committee shall be transferred instead to the committee to which the final report is referred.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c109:H.RES.635:
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 01:36 PM
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27. "called for an investigation, rather than calling for impeachment" - You are splitting hairs
and to make recommendations regarding grounds for possible impeachment.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 02:18 PM
Response to Reply #14
32. I know what it was about.
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reichstag911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 01:12 PM
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6. That was H. Res. 635, not H.R. 635
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 01:24 PM
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18. Neither bill calls for impeachment
Cynthia McKinney was the only one to introduce articles of impeachment last year. Perhaps Ms. Sheehan thinks all of us African-Americans look alike?
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 01:35 PM
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26. Are you hallucinating? Conyers bill was to investgate for possible impeachment
no matter how you attempt to spin it.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 01:42 PM
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29. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 05:02 PM
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38. This is the title for the resolution. It was introduced in 2005.
H. RES. 635

Creating a select committee to investigate the Administration's intent to go to war before congressional authorization, manipulation of pre-war intelligence, encouraging and countenancing torture, retaliating against critics, and to make recommendations regarding grounds for possible impeachment.

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

December 18, 2005

Mr. CONYERS submitted the following resolution; which was referred to the Committee on Rules
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 01:12 PM
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7. "Is Cindy Sheehan hallucinating?"
The reason for this inflammatory thread title?
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 01:24 PM
Response to Reply #7
17. It's the LSD talking.
:shrug:
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 01:25 PM
Response to Reply #7
19. Would you have preferred "Is Cindy Sheehan lying?"
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 01:30 PM
Response to Reply #19
23. No but a poll on whether certain DUers are purposely misconstruing the legislative record
with bogus polls might make a good poll. :)
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 01:31 PM
Response to Reply #19
24. I would prefer you stop trying to divide DUers with inflammatory language.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 07:11 AM
Response to Reply #24
42. What division? DU rules prohibit supporting independent candidates who are running against Democrats
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 08:47 AM
Response to Reply #42
44. I tried to make peace with you earlier, yet you continue with your obbsessive Cindy fixation.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 01:15 PM
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10. No.
Anymore questions?
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mikelgb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 01:20 PM
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13. why are DU party-liners foaming at the mouth over Sheehan?
what did she do?

seek redress or something?

more than they are willing to do?
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 01:30 PM
Response to Reply #13
22. 1. She referred to the Democratic Party as the "party of slavery"
2. She claimed that the Democratic Party "started every war in the 20th Century except the other Bush debacle."

3. She is running as an independent against a Democrat for Congress.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 01:32 PM
Response to Reply #22
25. At least she didn't refer to it as the party who can't use Thomas correctly. Count your
blessings!:)
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 01:37 PM
Response to Reply #22
28. If you continue posting inflammatory threads trashing Cindy Sheehan,
it may appear you are doing this on purpose to cause anger and division at DU.

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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 02:11 PM
Response to Reply #28
31. I'm doing to embarrass someone who is try to defeat a Democratic candidate for Congress by
running as in independent.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 02:22 PM
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33. ok


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Kingofalldems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 04:17 PM
Response to Reply #28
35. BINGO! We have a winner!
This has been going on for quite a while.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 07:08 AM
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40. The real winner will be Nancy Pelosi
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 02:08 PM
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30. What is a DU party-liner?
Define
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 01:26 PM
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20. oh yeah ....
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c109:H.RES.635:

109th CONGRESS

1st Session

H. RES. 635

Creating a select committee to investigate the Administration's intent to go to war before congressional authorization, manipulation of pre-war intelligence, encouraging and countenancing torture, retaliating against critics, and to make recommendations regarding grounds for possible impeachment.

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

December 18, 2005
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Kingofalldems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 04:33 PM
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36. The OP has been caught
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 07:07 AM
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39. That's H. Res 635, not HR635
And it only calls for investigations, it would not impeach if adopted like McKinney's bill would.
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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 07:15 AM
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43. Given that she was right, the results of this poll are very funny.
I'll make note that at DU, 75% of posters are willing to believe anything but the truth when it comes to Cindy Sheehan.
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