Let’s Impeach TWO.

[Octafish]

Hey, America!

Liberty and Liberal are related.



Watch out for those who try to take the first away from you and demonize both you and the second.

So, to stay free and make the world we want, I present the following as a plan of action:

The Logic of Impeachment

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has taken impeachment “off the table,” in line with Official Washington’s view that trying to oust George W. Bush and Dick Cheney would be an unpleasant waste of time. But there is emerging a compelling logic that an unprecedented dual impeachment might be vital to the future of the United States.

by Robert Parry
Consortiumnews.com July 21, 2007

If some historic challenge is not made to the extraordinary assertions of power by President Bush and Vice President Cheney, the United States might lose its status as a democratic Republic based on a Constitution that adheres to the twin principles that no one is above the law and everyone is endowed with inalienable rights.

Over the past six-plus years, Bush has trampled on these traditional concepts of liberty and the rule of law time and again, even as he professes his love of freedom and democracy. Indeed, in Bush’s world, the word “freedom” has come to define almost its classical opposite.

Bush’s “freedom” means the right of the Executive to imprison enemies of the state indefinitely without charge and without even the centuries-old right of habeas corpus; Bush’s “freedom” tolerates coercion, torture or what the Founders called “cruel and unusual punishment” to extract confessions from detainees; it countenances surveillance of anyone – citizen and non-citizen alike – without a requirement for judicial review or evidence of probable cause that a crime is being committed; it sees no problem with the government and its private-sector allies teaming up to silence dissent.

Bush’s “freedom” also embraces the notion of a Commander in Chief acting as a quasi-dictator possessing “plenary” – or unlimited – powers in wartime, deciding which human beings on the planet get basic rights and which ones don’t.

CONTINUED…

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2007/072107.html

Robert Parry’s got the right idea about what to do with Smirk and Sneer.

C’mon, America!
Where are you, We the People?
Your country needs you!

Wake up and smell the Fascism!

Let’s do something about it, before it’s too late.



Judging from the big yawns from across half of America, it may already be too late.

Still, we have to try before even more innocent people are killed and maimed and of their pillaging and destruction of ever larger parts of our world and civilization are irreversible.



Impeaching the bastards is the first step.

Then we throw out every bastard traitor in the Executive, Courts and Congress.

And I mean ALL of Them.

What say You?

[JacquesMolay]

1. Throw Scalia in ther and I'll think about it...

...n/t

[Octafish]

10. Definite

Vaffanculo.

[bonito]

2. K&R n/t

[Octafish]

12. Impeach George Bush to stop war lies, deaths

The guy who wrote "The Gang That Couldn't Shoot Straigh" knows a psycho when he sees one.

Impeach George Bush to stop war lies, deaths

JIMMY BRESLIN
July 22, 2007

I am walking in Rosedale on this day early in the week while I wait for the funeral of Army soldier Le Ron Wilson, who died at age 18 in Iraq. He was 17 1/2 when he had his mother sign his enlistment papers at the Jamaica recruiting office. If she didn't, he told her, he would just wait for the months to his 18th birthday and go in anyway. He graduated from Thomas Edison High School at noon one day in May. He left right away for basic training. He came home in a box last weekend. He had a fast war.

The war was there to take his life because George Bush started it with bold-faced lies.

He got this lovely kid killed by lying.

If Bush did this in Queens, he would be in court on Queens Boulevard on a murder charge.

He did it in the White House, and it is appropriate, and mandatory for the good of the nation, that impeachment proceedings be started. You can't live with lies. You can't permit them to be passed on as if it is the thing to do.

Yesterday, Bush didn't run the country for a couple of hours while he had a colonoscopy at the presidential retreat, Camp David. He came out of it all right. He should now take his good health and go home, quit a job he doesn't have a clue as to how to do.

The other day, Bush said he couldn't understand why in the world would some people say that millions of Americans have no health insurance. "Why, all they have to do is go to the emergency room," he said.

Said this with the smirk, the insolent smug, contemptuous way he speaks to citizens.

People, particularly these politicians, these frightened beggars in suits, seem petrified about impeachment. It could wreck the country. Ridiculous. I've been around this business twice and we're all still here and no politician was even injured. Richard Nixon lied during a war and helped get some 58,500 Americans killed and many escaped by hanging onto helicopter skids. Nixon left peacefully. Mike Mansfield of Montana, the Democratic Senate majority leader, said on television that the Senate impeachment trial of Nixon would be televised and there would be no immunity. That meant Nixon would have to face the country under oath and if he lied he would go to prison. He knew he was finished as he heard this. Mansfield said no more. He got up and left. Barbara Walters, on the "Today" show, said, "He doesn't say very much, does he?"

The second time the subject was Bill Clinton for illegal holding in the hallway.

This time, we have dead bodies involved. Consider what is accomplished by the simple power of the word impeachment. If you read these broken-down news writers or terrified politicians claiming that an impeachment would leave the nation in pieces, don't give a moment to them.

It opens with the appointing of an investigator to report to the House on evidence that calls for impeachment. He could bring witnesses forward. That would be all you'd need. Here in the impeachment proceedings against Richard Nixon came John Dean. His history shows how far down the honesty and honor of this country has gone. Dean was the White House counsel. Richard Nixon, at his worst, never told him not to appear or to remain silent in front of the Congress. Dean went on and did his best to fill prisons. After that came Alexander Butterfield, a nobody. All he had to say was that the White House had a taping system that caught all the conversations in the White House. Any of them not on tape were erased by a participant.

The same is desperately needed now. Curious, following the words, an investigator - the mind here sees George Mitchell and Warren Rudman, and you name me better - can slap a hand on the slitherers and sneaks who have kept us in war for five years and who use failing generals to beg for more time and more lives of our young. A final word in September? Two years more, the generals and Bush people say.

Say impeachment and you'll get your troops home.

CONTINUE...

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/newyork/ny-nybres225303032jul22,0,877382.story?track=mostemailedlink

The sooner the war ends, the sooner the death stops.

[southerncrone]

3. Get rid of Gonzo, too!

[Octafish]

13. House Committee Members Entangled In Cunningham Scandal - Refuse To Release Full Details

Here's something else that didn't make the news...

House Committee Members Entangled In Cunningham Scandal - Refuse To Release Full Details

By: Logan Murphy @ 6:30 AM - PDT Via LATimes:

An internal investigation that the House Intelligence Committee has refused to make public portrays the panel as embarrassingly entangled in the Randy “Duke” Cunningham bribery scandal.

The report, a declassified version of which was obtained by the Los Angeles Times, describes the committee as a dysfunctional entity that served as a crossroads for almost every major figure in the ongoing criminal probe by the Justice Department.

The document describes breakdowns in leadership and controls that it says allowed Cunningham — the former congressman (R-Rancho Santa Fe) who began an eight-year prison term last year for taking bribes and evading taxes — to use his House position to steer millions of dollars to corrupt contractors.

When the committee’s investigation was completed last year, the Republican-controlled panel would not release the results; now that the committee is controlled by Democrats, it still will not release the findings. Read more…

SOURCE w/Links, etc:

http://www.crooksandliars.com/category/scandals/duke-cunningham/

Something really stinks.



Gonzo, too.

[southerncrone]

40. Thanks for this post, Octafish. All I can say is WOW, just WOW!

How deep does this rabbit hole go? All the way to China & back. ;)

[bobthedrummer]

4. Cheney first- the pedestal of my table

[Octafish]

14. You Don't Negotiate with a Dictator, You Impeach Him!

Here's what to do...

Reid, Pelosi; You Don't Negotiate with a Dictator, You Impeach Him!

By Bill Hare
07/25/2007 01:56:05 PM EST

During these wild and wooly days where an unelected chief executive serves as a neoconservative dictator intent on achieving a global New World Order and has excessively low poll ratings with seemingly no end in sight, his incredibly inept Democratic Party opposition continues to refuse to confront him.

A classic example occurred when yesterday's (July 24) New York Times reported that Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, concerned that George W. Bush is playing politics with key legislation he threatens to veto, announced their intention to seek a meeting with him to resolve the impasse.

The article brought immediately to mind a term Jerry Brown used when he was California's governor, "planetary realism." To request such a meeting with Bush at this time to resolve a legislative impasse flies in the face of planetary realism.

CONTINUED...

http://www.politicalcortex.com/story/2007/7/25/13565/4230

Stirrin' da pot.

[AntiFascist]

38. Great article....and K n/t

[Me.]

5. I Have A Dream, Too

Good thread

[Octafish]

17. This dream is exactly the same as Dr. King's Dream.

Dr. King's dream was about the day when all people are equal, judged by who they are, not what they look like or where they came from. It's like the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the United States say.

Our dream is seeing the Declaration, the Constitution and our country returned to where they belong -- in the hands of We the People as the Law of the Land.



Until then, we swim. And Dream.

[Me.]

32. It May Seem Like We're Swimming Upsttream, For The Moment

But as Martin says, "A Lie Cannot Live"

[Swamp Rat]

6. Yeah you rite!

:hi:

[Octafish]

36. Commander in Chief? Or Commander in Thief?

Every time I see the Coward of Crawford surrounding himself with men and women in uniform, I want to scream. He considers them, like his Poppy and Grandpuh Prescott before him, to be "fodder units." The crazy monkey sees nothing wrong with ordering people to their deaths and killing other innocent people as the result of his orders. That is sick.

Here's what his kind does most of the time:



Understand Prescott Sr was head of the PGA for a while.

Commander in Chief?
Or Commander in Thief?

George W. Bush joined the Air National Guard in May 1968 for a six-year enlistment. During his fifth year, May 1972 to May 1973, he performed zero hours of duty. Besides failing to report for duty, Gov. Bush disobeyed an order to report for a required annual medical exam and was suspended from flying in August 1972.

Should a man who took an oath to do his patriotic duty, and then didn't do it, be our next Commander in Chief?

What George W. Bush did when he was "young and irresponsible" may not be important today. What is important today is his evasiveness when asked about his military service. His responses have contradicted his military records, standard military procedures, the testimony of his former commanding officers, and even his official biography. He has not been able to produce even one eyewitness to confirm that he reported for duty during the "missing year."

"Had he reported in, I would have had some recall, and I do not. I had been in Texas, done my flight training there. If we had had a first lieutenant from Texas, I would have remembered."
(Gen. William Turnipseed (ret), in the Boston Globe, May 23, 2000)

"If had come back to Houston, I would have kept him flying the 102 until he got out. But I don't recall him coming back at all."
(Maj. Gen. Bobby Hodges (ret), in the Boston Globe, July 28, 2000)

"Lt. Bush has not been observed at this unit during the period of this report."
(Lieutenant Colonel William D. Harris Jr. and Lieutenant Colonel Jerry B. Killian, on Bush's annual efficiency report dated May 2, 1973)

"There was a sense of shared responsibility… The responsibility to show up and do your job."
(George W. Bush, in the National Guard Review, Winter 1998)

If this story surprises you, that's because nearly all the news media have ignored it. Martin Heldt, an Iowa farmer, has done what all those journalists have been unable or unwilling to do: he used the Freedom of Information Act to obtain Gov. Bush's National Guard records. Mr. Heldt's research has created a troubling picture of Gov. Bush's dereliction of duty. You can see that picture for yourself — newspaper reports, military records, and a timeline of relevant events — at http://www.awolbush.com.
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SOURCE:

http://failureisimpossible.com/essays/gwb_cic.htm

Here Smirko chauffers "La Vach qui Rit" and friends.



¿Como handa, Compay? ¿La familia, bien? Resando acqui para todos aya.

[Usrename]

7. Impeach them!

:applause:

[Octafish]

37. Bush knew. He is a TRAITOR.

Here he is, just told a second plane has been hijacked and flown into the World Trade Center, a half hour after he’s been informed that a plane was hijacked and flown into the World Trade Center. He doesn’t even wink when Andy Card tells him, “America is under attack,” let alone scramble the Air Force.



At BEST, this shows criminal dereliction of duty. Most LIKELY, it shows treason.

Plot to assassinate Bush – reports

Ashcroft Flying High

Why would Osama bin Laden want to kill Dubya, his former business partner?

Genoa braces for G8 summit


Here’s more on the warnings the administration received BEFORE SEPTEMBER 11, 2001:

Rice More Sordid Than Foley

On her recommendation, Tenet briefed Ashcroft and Rumsfeld (not Powell, though).

Rumsfeld, Ashcroft said to have received warning of attack

An exasperated Tenet then ordered an underling to brief Monkey in Crawford in August.

While Bush vacationed, 9/11 warnings went unheard.

Here’s what seals the deal for me:

Bin Laden determined to strike in US

Then, he turned around and said to the CIA briefer:

"All right. You've covered your ass now."



The crazy monkey IS a traitor.

[tiptoe]

8. And don't forget: These Asswipes Stole The Power They Now Abuse...U.S. Democracy Was Subverted!

[Octafish]

41. That Paul Lehto quote is tops!

You got it, tiptoe.

The past seven years make it crystal-clear: People don't steal elections to do good things.

From ELECTION FRAUD Beginner's Guide: A Broken Democracy Crash Course

If you are asked by elections officials what gives you the right to watch over the elections that grant all the legitimate power and money the government ever gets, and why a government official shouldn't be trusted to count secretly the processes that determine the government's own money and power, since you've got lots of things to do, just tell them:

'Thomas Jefferson sent me.'

Remind them that... You will have plenty of energy and time to do these tasks to protect freedom and democracy, if you just remind yourself of what others have sacrificed so that you could enjoy democracy, and consider whether we have the right to allow democracy to literally disappear on our watch by our inaction. Then you'll be a sentinel of democracy, one of democracy's real defenders."

—Paul Lehto April 18, 2006

That website is an outstanding resource.

[tiptoe]

44. Credit to Michael Collins who asked and made available Paul Lehto's "advice to...

…citizens as they approach politicians and bureaucrats to demand their rights."

Source: Concluding commentary from the "Citizen Action Now" section of the superb Collins article "Cramdown, Stripdown, Lockdown Democracy In The USA" (...accessible from a couple of website links, including with a click of the Trumbull-image embraced by the text of the quote itself.)

Thank you. The originator of the "Beginner's Guide" is DUer organik.

[TahitiNut]

9. Impeach. Remove. Indict. Convict. Imprison. (Rinse. Repeat.)

Unless and until this is done we're a nation of cowards and outlaws.

[Yukari Yakumo]

18. Problem is, you got the order wrong

Impeach. Convict. Remove. Indict. Imprison.

Unfortunately, the outlook for reaching step 1 is not so rosy. Step 2... forget it, not going to happen.

[TahitiNut]

22. Pretty sure of yourself, huh?

(1) Impeach - in the House of Representatives
(2) Remove - by the Senate
(3) Indict - by a Grand jury
(4) Convict - by a jury trial
(5) Imprison - Federal Prison System


Here's a clue: It's NOT an essay that attempts to describe all the steps of the relevant processes. It's a mantra. Don't like it? I don't care. Just like I don't care about animes.

Insofar as your crystal ball gazing, go try Vegas. They love taking money from people so sure of the future.
:shrug:

[Octafish]

43. Rock. Paper. Scissors. Gorgon.

My 10-year-old son understands the situation in which we find ourselves. He likened it to a game of Rock-Paper-Scissors. The game is fixed, he said, because the Republicans control each item.

There is no way they can lose. So, it's time to change the way the game is played. Cue the truth:

High Plains Grifter

The Life and Crimes of George W. Bush

By JEFFREY ST. CLAIR
COunterPunch August 31, 2004

Part One: The Ties That Blind

The mad cowboys are on the loose. Pack only what you can carry. Liberate the animals. Leave the rest behind. The looters are hot on the trail. Only ruin stands in their wake. Not even women and children are safe. Especially not them. Run for the hills and don't look back. Don't ever look back.

So the story goes, anyway.

We find ourselves living out a scene in a bad Western. A movie filmed long after all the old plot lines have been exhausted, the grizzled character actors put out to pasture, the Indians slaughtered and confined to desert prisons, the cattle slotted into stinking feed lots, the scenic montane backdrops pulverized by strip mines. All that remains are the guns, bulked up beyond all comprehension, and the hangman and his gibbet. We've seen it all before. But there's no escape now. Someone's locked the exits. The film rolls on to the bitter end. Cue music: Toby Keith.

Perhaps only the Pasolini of Salo: 120 Days of Sodom could have done this celluloid scenario justice. Or the impish Mel Brooks, who gave us Blazing Saddles (one of the greatest films on the true nature of American politics), if you understand the narrative as comedy, which is probably the most emetic way to embrace it. Both Pasolini and Brooks are masters of scatological cinema. And there's mounds of bullshit to dig through to get at the core of George W. Bush.

Because it's all an act, of course, a put on, a dress game. And not a very convincing one at that. Start from the beginning. George W. Bush wasn't born a cowboy. He entered the world in New Haven, Connecticut, hallowed hamlet of Yale. His bloodlines include two presidents and a US senator. The cowboy act came later, when he was famously re-birthed, with spurs on his boots, tea in his cup and the philosophical tracts of Jesus of Nazareth on his night table. Bush is a pure-blooded WASP, sired by a man who would later become the nation's chief spook, a man frequently called upon to clean up the messes left by apex crooks in his own political party, including his own entanglements (and those of his sons) with the more noirish aspects of life. His grandfather was a US senator and Wall Street lawyer, who shamelessly represented American corporations as they did business with the Nazi death machine. Old Prescott narrowly escaped charges of treason. But those were different times, when trading with the enemy was viewed as, at the very least, unseemly.

His mother, Barbara, is a bitter and grouchy gorgon, who must have frightened her own offspring as they first focused their filmy eyes onto her stern visage. She is a Pierce, a descendent of Franklin, the famously incompetent president, patron of Nathaniel Hawthorne and avowed racist, who joined in a bizarre cabal to overthrow Abraham Lincoln. (For more on this long neglected episode in American history check out Charles Higham's excellent new book Murdering Mr. Lincoln.)

Understandably, George Sr. spent much of his time far away from Barbara Bush's icy boudoir, indulging in a discreet fling or two while earning his stripes as a master of the empire, leaving juvenile George to cower under the unstinting commands of his cruel mother, who his younger brother Jeb dubbed "the Enforcer." This woman's veins pulse with glacial melt. According to Neil Bush, his mother was devoted to corporal punishment and would "slap around" the Bush children. She was known in the family as "the one who instills fear." She still does...with a global reach.

CONTINUED...

http://www.counterpunch.org/stclair08312004.html

That trip up 75 getting any easier, TahitiNut? Drivers on 696 are getting worse, especially the few with the "W" sticker on the back window.

[EFerrari]

11. I'm too upset to speak and glad you're not. K&R

[Octafish]

47. Let's impeach them ALL!

Remember how the Nation's TOP PROCUREMENT OFFICER was CORRUPT?

If our media don't, how can we expect the American people to know, let alone remember?

Bush Official Arrested in Corruption Probe

By R. Jeffrey Smith and Susan Schmidt
Washington Post Staff Writers
Tuesday, September 20, 2005; Page A01

The Bush administration's top federal procurement official resigned Friday and was arrested yesterday, accused of lying and obstructing a criminal investigation into Republican lobbyist Jack Abramoff's dealings with the federal government. It was the first criminal complaint filed against a government official in the ongoing corruption probe related to Abramoff's activities in Washington.

The complaint, filed by the FBI, alleges that David H. Safavian, 38, a White House procurement official involved until last week in Hurricane Katrina relief efforts, made repeated false statements to government officials and investigators about a golf trip with Abramoff to Scotland in 2002.

It also contends that he concealed his efforts to help Abramoff acquire control of two federally managed properties in the Washington area. Abramoff is the person identified as "Lobbyist A" in a 13-page affidavit unsealed in court, according to sources knowledgeable about the probe.

Until his resignation on the day the criminal complaint against him was signed, Safavian was the top administrator at the federal procurement office in the White House Office of Management and Budget, where he set purchasing policy for the entire government.

SNIP...

Like Abramoff, Safavian is a veteran Washington player. He is a former lobbying partner of anti-tax crusader Grover Norquist and previously worked with Abramoff at another firm. Both he and Abramoff have represented gambling clients and Indian tribes with gambling interests.

At the time of the golf trip, Safavian was chief of staff at the General Services Administration, where ethics rules flatly prohibited the receipt of a gift from any person seeking an official action by the agency. When Safavian asked GSA ethics officers for permission to go on the trip, he assured them in writing that Abramoff "has no business before GSA," according to the affidavit signed by FBI special agent Jeffrey A. Reising.

Reising alleged, however, that Abramoff had by then already secretly enlisted Safavian in an effort to buy 40 acres of land that GSA managed in Silver Spring for use as the campus of a Hebrew school Abramoff founded. Safavian also allegedly tried to help Abramoff lease space for Abramoff's clients in an old post office building downtown.

On July 22, 2002, Abramoff sent Safavian an e-mail with a proposed draft letter that "at least two members of Congress" could send to GSA supporting the lease, according to the affidavit. "Does this work, or do you want it to be longer?" Abramoff asked.

Three days later, Safavian forwarded Abramoff an e-mail describing how an employee at OMB was resisting Abramoff's plan to lease space at the post office. "I suspect we'll end up having to bring some Hill pressure to bear on OMB," Safavian messaged Abramoff.

CONTINUED...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/19/AR2005091901859.html

Thanks for caring so much, sfexpat2000!

Wonder what happened to that guy Norquist?

[John Q. Citizen]

15. I like!

[Mike Nelson]

16. OK - WHEN DO THE IMPEACMENT HEARINGS START?

They are LATE

[Kurovski]

19. Yes.

I especially want to see some members of the Supreme Court impeached. (2000, stopping the vote count.)

Two other members have been installed by an illegitimate administration. Out they go.

[IChing]

20. Get all of these criminals out of office now

[bleever]

21. Shoot for the basket.

Not for halfway, because that's what your opponent will settle for when he can't steal the ball and shoot a three-pointer.

Eyes on the prize: restoring Constitutional law. We're back to asserting the Magna Carta, and there's no middle ground when tyrants claim it all.

[chknltl]

23. Jon Eliot's response to me on the topic

I was listening in to Air America's The Jon Eliot Show last night and he was taking calls on the topic: "What Is More Important, Ending The War or Impeachment?". Most of the calls favored impeachment. Mr. Eliot was understanding but quite firm in his belief that ending the war was more important than impeachment. Here is his response to my e-mail, my e-mail below it makes my position clear but perhaps not clear enough. My salient point is that all actions on all issues are being moderated through the bush administration. With bush gone, the issues, many quite urgent, can be then addressed. With bush in power, those issues can not get addressed so well if at all.


(SNIP)
Hi Ryan,

Many thanks for your thoughts and, of course, for listening.

I see it as ending the war first. That stands a better chance of
happening.

Love to see impeachment..of all the bastards...with a war crimes tribunal
to follow...in a neutral country. Don't think the Dems have the stomach for
it.

best,

Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: (me)
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 1:29 AM
To: (Jon Eliot)
Subject: What is more important Ending War or Impeachment?


Impeachment is without a doubt more important and here is why sir:
There are a great many issues facing our nation. There are a great many
folks who want to see those issues addressed. I support that. Sadly each
and every one of those issues, including America's #1 issue ending the
war, are attenuated through the office of the President. In the
meanwhile, the "spider king" keeps building his power. Even now should he
choose to assume his role of dictator, he has the abilities to do so.
Many fear that we won't even get an election. I fear this right along
with them as should you sir. Impeachment may be the only tool WE THE
PEOPLE have left and frankly, I am not convinced that even that tool is
enough to stop those who control President bush.

You and I and much of America now easily see that the bush administration
invaded Iraq in order to profiteer. You can easily see that this gang of
thugs have little to no concern about the citizens of Iraq. Sir: What
makes you think that same gang has any concerns about the American
Citizens? WE THE PEOPLE have ONLY IMPEACHMENT as our weapon.

I know you disagree with me but I think you are WRONG when you say ending
the war is more important than impeachment. This war will not end while
bush is in power, mark my words. WE THE PEOPLE are crying out for our
nation back. Help us member of the media.

thank you,
(Me)

[Senator]

25. At least he's asking the question

I'd be interested to have him describe this "better chance of happening" he imagines.

I guess he's presuming a broken filibuster soon. But beyond that lies the prospect of having to override a veto. Then, to the possibility of negation by "rule by signing statement." And even beyond that is the certainty of outright criminal funding/other acts to avoid having to admit to this colossal failure.

Perhaps you might be able to continue a dialog and pin him down on just what mechanisms he thinks are still operable, let alone likely, for "ending the war" (whatever that means in the first place).

You might also ask just how many GOP Senators he really thinks will stand publicly, and for history, to defend bushcheney on torture and war crimes charges -- given that they alreadly rejected him on the McCain Anti-Torture Law by a margin of 90-9 (sadly negated by another impeachable signing statement).

---

[chknltl]

27. Well I did reply to his response

and he responded back again! No I asked none of the questions you posed and to be honest I was flattered by what he said. I basically used analogy to outline the situation and my basic disagreement with him then went on to discuss other stuff. To be honest with you, I am a new listener but so far I tend to agree with most of what he says and how he says it. May I suggest that you check out his show on Air America, and then post him your thoughts. Here is my second ever e-mail to him and his response: (It is in reverse order my first e-mail to him at the bottom, his first response is above that, my reply to his response above that then his response to my reply just below this sentence):

Dear (me)

I receive a lot of emails.

Rarely do they make me humble.

This one just did.

Thanks.

I'm in this to make a difference. To win elections. To do the right thing
for America.

Once again thanks...your support is appreciated and gratefully accepted.

Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: (Me)
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 1:27 AM
To: Jon Elliott
Subject: RE: What is more important Ending War or Impeachment?


>Sir, I still disagree with with you but I'll go no further on this than
to offer up a quick analogy, after-which I feel a need to offer up
differing thoughts and praises.

Analogy: We can plainly see a fire bug starting many fires, yes there is
no question that those fires need to be put out. Sadly the firebug is not
only continuing on setting further fires but he controls the very water
needed to put those fires out! Those whose houses have burned, those whose
houses have yet to burn but plainly see the fires and even those who can
see the smoke on the horizon are begging the firemen to STOP THE FIREBUG.
Sadly those firemen are fighting with each other over which fires to put
out. My disagreement with you is that you urge us to get our firemen to
focus on one of the most important fires because you fear those firemen
are powerless to stop the firebug. I like to believe many of those firemen
are worried about their jobs enough that they will EAGERLY fight that
firebug if so ordered by WE THE PEOPLE. I feel that encouraging WE THE
PEOPLE is the best course. (That'd be something you are in a position to
do)

Which brings me to your well earned praise. You encouraged folks to do
the one thing we can do: Contact our Congressmen, do so by e-mail by snail
mail or by phone...better yet go down and chat with them if possible. You
FURTHER offered that you would put our results on the air and contact
those Congressmen for a follow up if that is possible. YES! DING DING
DING, WINNER WINNER!!!! You are my hero for giving out that advice and a
further hero if you do indeed ATTEMPT the follow ups where appropriate! I
wish this last paragraph could be draped in American Flag-bunting because
your advice is precisely what America needs.

You had on the show tonight, a man who represented an agency which
provides $$ for children/students who have lost a parent in bushcos war.
Very noble, I think this sounds like a great program and I am proud of my
fellow Americans who thought this up and support the program. These are
indeed better times when it comes to honoring our troops. That said, I
have been far too jaded against folks. This program may have potential
for abuse and because of that potential I fear some support may have been
and will continue to be withheld. My inner voice is asking: "How do I
know the good intentions of the populace, (read contributions), are
getting in full to those deserving students and not finding it's path
diverted in part to the pockets of the unscrupulous?" Sorry, but being
jaded like this has become a survival tool these days.

Finally, may I recommend having Representative Jim McDermott, (Dem, Wa.
State) on as a guest.
Let me tell you a bit about this man that may be pertinent. During the
runnup to the Iraq Fiasco, McDermott, took it upon himself to go to Iraq
and check out things for himself. For his troubles he got labeled a
traitor and gained the name of Baghdad Jim! He gave an accounting of his
findings when he returned, mere weeks ahead of "Shock and oh my GOD
NO!!!".
This accounting was broadcast on C-SPAN. He reported to us about the
hospitals barely functioning on limited to non existent supplies and of
the babies and children suffering from the ravages of depleted uranium
oxide poisoning. He reported that the weapons inspectors where doing a
fine job if only they could be left to do their job...he told us about
many things but when he finished up he pointed his finger at us, (at the
camera) and said, "Make no mistake here, this is NOT about WMD, this is
about OIL and regime change"

Well sir, hindsight shows how right he was. He still fights for us, he
still is active working on solutions regarding Depleted Uranium and how it
affects our troops and vets. He is also one of the Congressmen who is
on-board in support of Dennis Kuccinich's HR Bill 333 to impeach Dick the
dick Cheney!

I saw Representative McDermott on a local show briefly, I don't know what
the topic was but his words, "I'd give just about anything for a chance
to get my thoughts out to the public" stood out for me. I think this
barely known man might make a great guest, if you could get him. I would
love to hear his thoughts on ...well to be frank, pretty much anything you
would like to ask him about. (Yeah, you've earned my trust like that).
Enough for now, thanks for what you are doing, I may not see eye to eye on
a key issue or two with you but I'll not deny you an A+ for what you doing
for our nation. You have what support I can offer.
ryan donahue



> Hi Ryan,
>
> Many thanks for your thoughts and, of course, for listening.
>
> I see it as ending the war first. That stands a better chance of
> happening.
>
> Love to see impeachment..of all the bastards...with a war crimes tribunal
> to follow...in a neutral country. Don't think the Dems have the stomach
> for
> it.
>
> best,
>
> Jon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: me
> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 1:29 AM
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: What is more important Ending War or Impeachment?
>
>
> Impeachment is without a doubt more important and here is why sir:
> There are a great many issues facing our nation. There are a great many
> folks who want to see those issues addressed. I support that. Sadly each
> and every one of those issues, including America's #1 issue ending the
> war, are attenuated through the office of the President. In the
> meanwhile, the "spider king" keeps building his power. Even now should he
> choose to assume his role of dictator, he has the abilities to do so.
> Many fear that we won't even get an election. I fear this right along
> with them as should you sir. Impeachment may be the only tool WE THE
> PEOPLE have left and frankly, I am not convinced that even that tool is
> enough to stop those who control President bush.
>
> You and I and much of America now easily see that the bush administration
> invaded Iraq in order to profiteer. You can easily see that this gang of
> thugs have little to no concern about the citizens of Iraq. Sir: What
> makes you think that same gang has any concerns about the American
> Citizens? WE THE PEOPLE have ONLY IMPEACHMENT as our weapon.
>
> I know you disagree with me but I think you are WRONG when you say ending
> the war is more important than impeachment. This war will not end while
> bush is in power, mark my words. WE THE PEOPLE are crying out for our
> nation back. Help us member of the media.
>
>
> (me)
>
>

[Senator]

28. There can't be much wrong with someone...

...who urges personal visits and followups. That's the key to bursting the beltway euphemedia bubble.

I'll check out his show. I've been dismissive of AirAmerica as of late, as they seem to have (in general) become more "establishment oriented."

Thanks for posting.

--

[AntiFascist]

39. ENDING the war?

the best Congress will be able to do, with Bush Admin still in power, is compromise and plan to redeploy some of the troops on a schedule. With the Bush Admin in serious trouble, and crimes brought clearly to light, ending the war will stand a much greater chance. Its not an either/or situation and Jon Eliot is simply falling into the typical media trap of binary thinking.

[AntiFascist]

24. Agreed and R...

some feel it is also essential to first impeach Gonzo so that he does not present roadblocks to the other impeachments. Looks like he's in very hot water already!

[radfringe]

26. IMPEACH ONE and get a SECOND ONE FREE!

we need a coupon for this bargain... lol

for an extra dollar we can supersize it and get Gonzo with extra fries

[trof]

30. It's Two! Two! Two ImpeachMints in One!

;-)

[radfringe]

33. thanks, my screen needed to be cleaned anyways...

:spray:

[Dinger]

29. How About A Special "Impeachment" Edition Of Monopoly?

Wouldn't that be cool?

[Octafish]

46. ImpeachBushGame.com may come close...

This thing looks like a hoot.

http://www.impeachbushgame.com/

We can laugh the guy all the way out of the Oval Office and into the yard at Leavenworth where Cheney can spend the rest of his natural days making little rocks out of big ones. Bush, too.

[porphyrian]

31. Impeach the entire fucking criminal administration and try them for treason. -n/t

[sicksicksick_N_tired]

34. I really REALLY like that, "I Have A Dream" banner!!!!

It perfectly suits my desire to see justice done to these maniacal thugs!!!

[cureautismnow]

35. I love doubleheaders! Let's Play Ball!

[Iverson]

42. Right on, baby.

I was in favor of impeachment a long time ago.

But darn! It's off the table now.

Oh well. Maybe next criminal administration.

[Poiuyt]

45. How do we convince Congress that impeaching Bush/Cheney would NOT be an unpleasant waste of time?

[KAT119]

48. Totally

[BlooInBloo]

49. Legos were so much better before they made pre-fab pieces for stuff...

.... when they furthered the kid's imagination.