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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 06:54 AM
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Christians, a little help
Edited on Thu Jul-26-07 07:30 AM by chknltl
Some say that these are the "end of days" according to things they have read in Revelations. Now I confess it has been decades since I picked up a Bible but help me out here, if these are truly the end of days, wouldn't that make President bush:
"The Great Deceiverer"
















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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 06:56 AM
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1. We have the Endtime Handmaidens here
and in 2003 fundies were telling me Bush was the Second Coming, but have now changed their minds. I think your name for him would be considered appropriate in their eyes.
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MisterHowdy Donating Member (295 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 06:58 AM
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2. Thats true.
Before, people said that a man from the Middle East (Hussein) would be the deceiver.
But he's not here anymore.
You don't have to be religious to know that Bush is the devil.

n/t
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 07:07 AM
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3. Just do a google search on Bush and Antichrist. n/t
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Lint Head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 07:09 AM
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4. Think about it.
Whether your a Christian or an Atheist, per overwhelming scientific evidence eventually the world will end. The Sun will expand and consume the earth Of course this scenario would happen billions of years from now. We could be decimated by a rouge asteroid tomorrow. The earth will be consumed in fire. Duh. George is still a liar and a traitorous criminal.

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UnrepentantUnitarian Donating Member (887 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 07:41 AM
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17. Hmmm...a rouge asteroid.
I think I had one of those once.
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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 08:42 AM
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26. i believe you're thinking of a vermillion hemorroid
:rofl: god, i kill me!
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 07:09 AM
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5. First off, Bush isn't intelligent enough to be the Antichrist.
Secondly, he isn't beloved the world over.

My reading regarding the Antichrist is that he fools the majority of people the WORLD over - not just a slim majority (considering Diebold and the Supremes) in just this country.

Bush may be a horseman of the Apocalypse, but he's hardly fit to be Satan's right-hand man.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 07:11 AM
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7. For three or four days after 9/11, Bush WAS loved the world over. n/t
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 07:12 AM
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9. True - but he's so stupid that he squandered that in record time.
If he had been Satan's "pick," he blew it before Satan could do his handiwork.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 07:13 AM
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12. Does the bible specify how LONG The Antichrist has to be beloved? n/t
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 07:11 AM
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8. He's hardly fit to expel Satan's gas
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 07:12 AM
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10. LOL!!
:rofl:
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 07:38 AM
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16. Heh. Thought you's like that. *g*
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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 07:42 AM
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18. Yea
:blush: I really didn't mean to get folks goin like this... I am soooo glad someone got it.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 07:13 AM
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11. Bush doesn't have to BE The Antichrist, just BELEIVE he is The Antichrist. It guides his policies.
See prior thread:

America's Roadmap to The Apocalypse: Bush's Plan to Immanentize The Eschaton
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=2747646
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 07:10 AM
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6. What I would like to see is if anything in Revelation seems to mention the huge embassy in Baghdad.
I bet there is SOMETHING about The Tigris-Euphrates and/or Babylon in there, yes?

And now Bush wants to build an embassy in the Hezbollah Area of Beirut.


See:

U.S. Plans to Build Embassy in Hezbollah Area of Beirut (Despite Staff Objections)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2929664

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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 07:19 AM
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13. um... blush... I think y'all missed my bit of snark
Let's try that again:
Would that make President bush The Great DeceiverER?

I was on a different forum a bit ago and accidental typo-ed it that way and just about sprayed my monitor when I discovered it with spell check...well maybe I've just been up too late :blush:
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 07:24 AM
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14. Don't misunderstimate the Great Deceiverer. He's The Deceiverer Guy. Btw...
Edited on Thu Jul-26-07 07:26 AM by IanDB1
Comedy is all about timing.

You stepped on your own punchline by not putting it in the subject line.

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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 07:31 AM
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15. Yes, it would
Edited on Thu Jul-26-07 07:33 AM by EstimatedProphet
An additional point:

One of the possible interpretations of Revelations 6: is that the white horseman represents false religion (the anti-Christ), and he rides with war, death, and famine. How many people were proclaiming Bush as a holy man? How much war, death, and famine has he directly been involved with?

On edit: I did catch your snarkyness. I don't actually believe in the above, I'm just playing around.
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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 07:47 AM
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19. thanks
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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 07:58 AM
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20. Well I look forward to thanking my Christian Republican friend
for votin in "The Great Deceiverer". I wonder if the freepers have given this any thought at all. It might be be fun to post a hit and run with the notion over there, misspelling included. (Well it's not like they don't pull stuff like that on us all too often!)
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 08:00 AM
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21. Are you talking about the Anti Christ?
But it probably depends on what branch of Christianity you are talking about; I'm not sold on these being the last days myself.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 08:16 AM
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22. Is that who the Great Deceiverer is? The Antichrist?
Not up on my Bible, I just kinda remember the name in refrence to Revelations...and ya gotta admit, bush has been a fairly GREAT Deceiverer...well to a lot of inocent Christians across America who voted fer him.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 08:19 AM
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23. The Great Deciever is usually another name for Satan
I don't think President Bush is Satan. Cheney, maybe.
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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 08:40 AM
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25. Ok, hmmm, not sure about cheney.
For some reason I thought the Great Deceiverer was supposed to fool the hell out of the public.
Cheney, well I am not sure he sees the light of day enough for folks to know him enough to have gotten fooled on the scale that bush accomplished. I just found it fun thinking that right wing Christians may have been fooled into votin for the Great Deceiverer. Do I think that bush is a figure in the Bible? Nah...just enjoying the irony and that extra "er" at the end of Deceiver, (though an earlier accident on my part), was too priceless not to post here. I figured DU Christians would chuckle pretty good over both.
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liberalsoldier5 Donating Member (248 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 08:46 AM
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27. Indeed.
My Catholic church doesn't talk about Armageddon NEARLY as much as my Protestant friends' churches do.
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cyborg_jim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 08:26 AM
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24. Unless of course the lies start in Revelation
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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 08:56 AM
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28. I liked the theory Revelations told the story of the PAST and the FUTURE.
Basically every so often the balance of power in the middle east. Historically, you have had three power in the Middle East, Egypt, Asia Minor and Iraq. Egypt wants to control the access to Egypt to prevent any invasion of Egypt. Egypt has been invaded primary from a power that control right is now Israel (In Ancient times it was once conquered from Libya and from up the Nile, but these were the exception to the rule, even Caesar when he landed by Sea had an army sent via Israel to provide most of his Army in Egypt when he took it). In more modern days, Napoleon did take Egypt from the Sea (via a point close ot the Libyan border) and the British took over Egypt via the Suez Canal. As to Libya Rommel threatened Egypt but as a whole Napoleon was driven out of Egypt by the Turks as the Turks Chased him back to Egypt.

As to Iraq, it is protected from any Egypt and Asia Minor by the Mountains Separating the Mesopotamian lowlands from the Mediterranean. Asia Minor uses the same Mountains to help protect itself.

Now while each of these "Super-Powers" has huge area to pull from, each are also pulled into the Mountains. Iraq wants to secure the head waters of its two rivers, Egypt wants to make sure no one uses those Mountains as a base to attack Egypt and Asia Minor is pulled into the to protect the headwaters of its Rivers. All three once in the Mountains want to stay to enhance the Mountains as a protection, but this brings all three groups into conflict with each other. What happens is some sort of peace is made between the three, with the people in the Mountains working out details for themselves (Playing the three against each other).

AS to the South, i.e. Right is no Saudi Arabia and most of Jordan, it is to dry for agriculture so herding dominates. This tends to make the residents of that area much weaker than even the people in the Mountains (Who do to greater rain fall can do agriculture). Most times the people of the desert are nuisance, but occasionally they get up to threat status, but then fall back to nuisance. Except for the Arab Conquest of Muhammad it was rare for the people of the Desert to pose even a threat (OF the Arab Conquest more below).

Thus in most time periods you have a balance between the locals and the three Superpowers. This balance may change year to year, but stay about the same for Centuries (One city my be Egyptian one year, independent the next, allied with Iraq the Third and minor changes like that can occur, but nothing major that would be of great concern of one of the Super powers). On the other hand if one of the super power has to withdraw forces, then the other super powers will use it to expand the area the control. The locals will also try to expand the area they control as would the Bedouins in the desert. It is such times Revelations are talking about.

For example, during the 6th Century AD, Rome had controlled Asia Minor and Egypt for Centuries. Most of Iraq had been control by Iran (Whose rivers flow into Iraq, making Iran for all practical purposes part of Iraq). The Western Empire Fell in the 5 th Century AD, but in the Sixth The Eastern Empire tried to re-take the West, conquering Tunisia, Southern Spain and Italy, but to do this required Rome to pull Troops from the East. This opened up the East for Conquest by Persia (Modern Iran) which did so, even taking Egypt. The Eastern Empire re-acted, Abandoned the West and attack the Persians, destroyed the Persians, but did not conquer them. To do so, a large army had to be raised and supported. This Bankrupt ed the Empire. As the Empire pulled back from Iraq, the Arabs under Muhammadan moved in, first defeating a much weaker Roman Empire in Syria and then Taking Egypt (Which the Eastern Empire only made half hearted attempts to re-take do to lack of troops do to the extensive wars in Italy, The Balkans and Iraq over the previous 30 years and in many ways still going on when the Arabs attacked). The Eastern Empire, after losing its army in Syria, decided it was NOT worth holding Egypt nor Syria and left them to the Arabs. Persia, in complete disarray after its defeat by the Eastern Empire was Conquered by the Egyptians. All of this was over a 50 year period, That started with the Eastern Empire Pulling troops to fight in Italy.

The above has occurred before (Look at the history of Assyria) and have happened Since (One of the side affects of the Crusades was a change in Egypt from Shiite to Sunni Muslim). The Mamaluks who controlled Egypt till Napoleon cam into power as the result of the 1258 Conquest of Iraq by the Mongols which brought the Mongols to the Middle east (and a withdraw of Iraq from wars against the Crusaders, who were smashed by the Egyptians let they ally themselves with the Mongols).

If is times like these that Revelation is about, time when a power ha had to WITHDRAW from the area and the locals and the other Powers react to that withdraw. The old Soviet Union Withdraw in the early 1990s as it dissolved, but the big question is how long can the US remain in the Middle east AND WHAT WILL HAPPEN WHEN WE WITHDRAW. Revelations is just a warning of what will happen, not the details for that changes during each transition, but the over all situation, one of criss and destruction that had been unseen for Centuries.

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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 08:58 AM
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29. If someone would just shave his damn head we'd know for sure...
:smoke:
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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 09:19 AM
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30. Would it say Great Deceiverer, model #666, made in USA
Japan for Halliburton, all rights reserved?
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