Corporal Pat Tillman didn't die by 'Friendly Fire', he was murdered by decree.

[Philosoraptor]

Of course, I could also possibly be full of shit. The misleading term 'friendly fire' has traditionally inferred that a soldier was 'accidentally' shot by a member of his own platoon, but Pat was shot three times in the forehead at close range, so they over use the term 'fratricide', and they use the term 'friendly fire' to confuse the issue, the way the neo cons ALWAYS twist words and phrases to fool the stupid.

Pat Tillman joined the military after nine eleven in a patriotic haze, like thousands of other Americans, then he found out FIRSTHAND when he rose to the top that the war was a sick joke and his men were being royally fucked by the neo cons, and either a fellow soldier who felt Tillman was a traitor, or our own government killed him TO SHUT HIM UP.

But then, I could be absolutely full of shit.

[fooj]

1. I don't think you're full of shit.

I live 35 minutes from Tillman's mom. What you believe is the general belief around these parts.

KNBR (Bay Area sports station)talks about it daily and from what I've heard...people believe that he was assassinated. I kid you not. That's what they are saying on the radio.

[peacetalksforall]

7. Couldn't be an assassination - his last name doesn't begin with a K.

Still bitter after all these decades. The assassination of the first K started this era of downfall of the U.S. as it is bought and paid for by a certain group of people still in charge after 44 years.

[Az]

2. You are full of conjecture

Which some people may conflate with being full of shit. But it is an idea that does fit the circumstances. But in order to say definitively what happened we are going to need more evidence and testimony. And until then we can only offer conjecture as you are doing.

[WinkyDink]

3. Tillman was FRAGGED. He was MURDERED. Shot at close range when there was NO BATTLE.

"Conjecture", my arse. More like "autopsy revelations".

[RaleighNCDUer]

8. Generally, 'fragged' is reserved for murders of superior officers or

NCOs by men they command whose gung-ho leadership is getting their men killed. Tillman was just a corporal and was, as far as I've heard, well liked by the men in his platoon.

Being assassinated on orders from above does not qualify as 'fragging'.

[Philosoraptor]

9. Some of his fellow soldiers might have considered him a traitor.

[Demeter]

4. If It Wasn't An Execution, I'm a Penguin.

[jojo54]

5. You are NOT full of shit!!!

The question I want given to these assholes is, "How in HELL do you explain 3 bullet holes in close proximity at point blank range as being friendly fire?"

[Flatulo]

10. Ever fire an M-16 in full auto mode?

The rate of fire is pretty high. Still, it would be hard to get such a tight grouping in full-auto.

I think it is within the realm of possibility that he was accidently killed by a three-round burst. Not likely, but still possible.

[tularetom]

6. As the bush administration has demonstrated perception is reality

If enough people believe Tillman was murdered to shut him up, then that is exactly what happened. And it will stick with these lying douchebags long beyond the day we cease to be cursed with their occupation of our government.

[Philosoraptor]

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[Bushwick Bill]

12. Per Stan Goff.

He has reviewed thousands of documents in the case and written a seven part series.

Hey Stan,

Unrelated…. on the Tillman thing. Can’t you take an M4 and a set of targets and do some experiments firing the weapon on “burst” and determine what type of shot-groups the 3-round burst would produce over varying distances? Fire it at 10 meters, 30, 50, 100 etc? It would seem to make sense that the greater the distance, the greater the size of the shot group, given variables such as drop / wind etcetera. If you can reproduce a 3-round shot group from one burst over 50 meters, the Rangers’ story holds up. But if you consistently produce shot groups of 5-10 inches or more… well… then the army doctors have an interesting point don’t they?

Keep up the great work Stan!

STAN: The army doctors woulld have a point IF (1) the M-4 3-round shot group corresponds to your hypothesis, and (2) there weren’t multiple witnesses to the contrary. In fact, the reason the SAW can fire these groups on full auto and the M-4 cannot is related to the size, stability, and method of fire. An M-4 is a souped up CAR-15, which is a cut-down AR-15/M-16. Very short, very light. The M-249 SAW is a bipod or pintle mounted machinegun — heavier and longer, with a better buffer system. When “free-gunning,” the shooter generally fires low and “walks” the impact signature into the target. The large stone in front of Pat was shot up, then Pat took bullet hits to his body armor (his legs were partly covered by the rock), then the head. As the gunner “walks the fire in,” he also begins to “feel” the gun, that is, stabilize and concentrate the fires by tightening up on the gun. These fires come in ever-more-concentrated bursts of 6, 9, 12, et al rounds. The M-4, on the other hand, has a 3-round-burst, which ends arbitrarily at three rounds, and which cannot be controlled like the heavier, longer gun. No one who was in the Platoon, including Pat’s brother, has ever suggested that Pat was intentionally targeted because he was Pat. This attention to minutiae is very unfortunate; because it is a huge red herring. Read O’Neal’s statement to Congress. Pat died within a foot of O’Neal… who was crazy about Pat, and is still very close to the family. People watch waaay too many movies.
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