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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-14-07 11:08 AM
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Rove's resignation has turned already-delusional Freeperland even more barking-at-cars crazy!
:crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

These are responses in a thread about a SF Chronicle article about Rove "Decider or Divider":


Carville and Ickes were nice guys. Rove, oh so mean. To hell with all Democrats and their hate filled BS.

2 posted on 08/14/2007 8:04:22 AM PDT by JackRyanCIA (Our next generation will be reading the Spanish version of the Koran.)
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“Did the Bush administration try hard enough to reach across the aisle?”

That is the most absurd statement. Whenever Bush reached across the aisle his hand was cut off.



3 posted on 08/14/2007 8:05:26 AM PDT by golfisnr1 (Democrats are like roaches - hard to get rid of.)
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More liberal hypocrisy and projection. The same people that insist on dividing segments of the population into groups and pitting them against each other call Rove a divider. Pathetically typical.



4 posted on 08/14/2007 8:05:33 AM PDT by L98Fiero (A fool who'll waste his life, God rest his guts.)
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Hey, SF Chronicle... Divider.... Divide and Conquer that is ;-)



5 posted on 08/14/2007 8:05:55 AM PDT by NordP (HUNTER: "The real question for Mexico--Why are your people crossing burning deserts to get away?")
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Rove did his job, which was to get GWB elected twice.
His idea about building a majority coalition around social conservatives has yet to show it can do anything except get GWB elected.


6 posted on 08/14/2007 8:07:43 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Trails of troubles, roads of battle, paths of victory we shall walk.)
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Karl Rove performed admirably in getting the prez the job for 8 years. Hail to Karl Rove! Let the RATS and MSM sink in their own primordial ooze.



7 posted on 08/14/2007 8:07:45 AM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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8 posted on 08/14/2007 8:10:28 AM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi (This week, the Carolina Classic at Greensboro)
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"I think a number of Democrats never accepted (Bush) as legitimate and instead adopted a strategy of blind obstructionism," he answered.
The Rats have only two things: their leftist element is consumed with and blinded by an obsessive hatred for W., and their only "solutions" are Marxist in nature.


9 posted on 08/14/2007 8:10:45 AM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Sic Semper Tyrannis * U.Va. Engineering '09 * Friends Don't Let Friends Vote Democrat * Fred in 2008)
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Or worse, Bush got not only his hand cut off, but Conservative Principles were sold out for things like No Child Left Behind’s bolstering of the Dept of Education.

Either way:

Adios Magnificent Bastard, the MSM hated you and the Dhimmis tried to indict you, but you are leaving the WH, and not frog walking either...



10 posted on 08/14/2007 8:13:25 AM PDT by padre35 (Conservative in Exile.)
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Rove has it exactly right - The last 8 years has been hell because of an angry Left that couldn’t/wouldn’t concede a legitimate Presidential victory and come together like adults to implement solutions.



11 posted on 08/14/2007 8:16:06 AM PDT by SueRae
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So now the manta is “It’s all ROVE’s Fault??!!

But of course, the S.F. Comical will not go after it’s homegrown petunia, Pelousy, and talk about how she and the Democratic Congress are completely pissing off the country.


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1880992/posts

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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-14-07 11:09 AM
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1. You see stupidity all over these here internets, but that's some stupid shit. NT
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gatorboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-14-07 11:13 AM
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2. I love how they admit Bush couldn't win on his own merits.
He had to hire a snake charmer like Rove just to get himself elected.
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-14-07 11:16 AM
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3. What I find most disturbing is this
Freepers believe in what they say with as much zeal as we believe in what we say. For every one of us there is one of them just as ready to make battle.

I fear for our country because it feels as though the divide is getting bigger and nastier to the point where there is no coming back together. I think we are heading towards a civil war or a societal crash not unlike ancient Rome.

Perhaps it is what needs to happen, but it never makes it less frightening to really think about. Our Civil war was not noble or romantic, it was bloody and sad and painful for all involved, as was the revolutionary war where we not only faught the brits, but also the loyalists born here. Friends, family, neighbors, sons, daughters......

It's like watching a train wreck in slow motion.
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-14-07 11:17 AM
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4. Sorry, there hasn't been a 'legitimate Presidential victory ' since 1996.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-14-07 11:19 AM
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5. those are pretty standard talking points though
Edited on Tue Aug-14-07 11:19 AM by ComerPerro
the whole "the left is just mean and won't compromise, and whenever Bush tried he got burned" bullshit.

Of course, as they discuss Bush's attempts to reach across the aisle as a virtue, they use it to complain about Bush, citing "caving to Dems" as justification for all his failures.

One thing they can't spin, though: Bush and Rove are such imcompetent tools that they couldn't even pass their agenda with the White House and BOTH houses of Congress for four years.
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-14-07 11:20 AM
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6. "I think a number of Democrats never accepted (Bush) as legitimate"
Edited on Tue Aug-14-07 11:38 AM by DemGa
Well, those wing-nuts got one thing right.
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-14-07 11:33 AM
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7. Apparantly the freepers haven't read the Rolling Stone article
Freepers, this is why you lost, incidently.

http://i.realone.com.nyud.net:8090/assets/rn/img/8/4/3/5/12055348-12055438-slarge.jpg

It is no big scoop that the majority party in Congress has always found ways of giving the shaft to the minority. But there is a marked difference in the size and the length of the shaft the Republicans have given the Democrats in the past six years. There has been a systematic effort not only to deny the Democrats any kind of power-sharing role in creating or refining legislation but to humiliate them publicly, show them up, pee in their faces. Washington was once a chummy fraternity in which members of both parties golfed together, played in the same pickup basketball games, probably even shared the same mistresses. Now it is a one-party town -- and congressional business is conducted accordingly, as though the half of the country that the Democrats represent simply does not exist.

American government was not designed for one-party rule but for rule by consensus -- so this current batch of Republicans has found a way to work around that product design. They have scuttled both the spirit and the letter of congressional procedure, turning the lawmaking process into a backroom deal, with power concentrated in the hands of a few chiefs behind the scenes. This reduces the legislature to a Belarus-style rubber stamp, where the opposition is just there for show, human pieces of stagecraft -- a fact the Republicans don't even bother to conceal.

"I remember one incident very clearly -- I think it was 2001," says Winslow Wheeler, who served for twenty-two years as a Republican staffer in the Senate. "I was working for Pete Domenici at the time. We were in a Budget Committee hearing and the Democrats were debating what the final result would be. And my boss gets up and he says, 'Why are you saying this? You're not even going to be in the room when the decisions are made.' Just said it right out in the open."

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The GOP's "take that, bitch" approach to governing has been taken to the greatest heights by the House Judiciary Committee. The committee is chaired by the legendary Republican monster James Sensenbrenner Jr., an ever-sweating, fat-fingered beast who wields his gavel in a way that makes you think he might have used one before in some other arena, perhaps to beat prostitutes to death. Last year, Sensenbrenner became apoplectic when Democrats who wanted to hold a hearing on the Patriot Act invoked a little-known rule that required him to let them have one.
"Naturally, he scheduled it for something like 9 a.m. on a Friday when Congress wasn't in session, hoping that no one would show," recalls a Democratic staffer who attended the hearing. "But we got a pretty good turnout anyway."

Sensenbrenner kept trying to gavel the hearing to a close, but Democrats again pointed to the rules, which said they had a certain amount of time to examine their witnesses. When they refused to stop the proceedings, the chairman did something unprecedented: He simply picked up his gavel and walked out.

"He was like a kid at the playground," the staffer says. And just in case anyone missed the point, Sensenbrenner shut off the lights and cut the microphones on his way out of the room.

For similarly petulant moves by a committee chair, one need look no further than the Ways and Means Committee, where Rep. Bill Thomas -- a pugnacious Californian with an enviable ego who was caught having an affair with a pharmaceutical lobbyist -- enjoys a reputation rivaling that of the rotund Sensenbrenner. The lowlight of his reign took place just before midnight on July 17th, 2003, when Thomas dumped a "substitute" pension bill on Democrats -- one that they had never read -- and informed them they would be voting on it the next morning. Infuriated, Democrats stalled by demanding that the bill be read out line by line while they recessed to a side room to confer. But Thomas wanted to move forward -- so he called the Capitol police to evict the Democrats.

Thomas is also notorious for excluding Democrats from the conference hearings needed to iron out the differences between House and Senate versions of a bill. According to the rules, conferences have to include at least one public, open meeting. But in the Bush years, Republicans have managed the conference issue with some of the most mind-blowingly juvenile behavior seen in any parliament west of the Russian Duma after happy hour. GOP chairmen routinely call a meeting, bring the press in for a photo op and then promptly shut the proceedings down. "Take a picture, wait five minutes, gavel it out -- all for show" is how one Democratic staffer described the process. Then, amazingly, the Republicans sneak off to hold the real conference, forcing the Democrats to turn amateur detective and go searching the Capitol grounds for the meeting. "More often than not, we're trying to figure out where the conference is," says one House aide.

In one legendary incident, Rep. Charles Rangel went searching for a secret conference being held by Thomas. When he found the room where Republicans closeted themselves, he knocked and knocked on the door, but no one answered. A House aide compares the scene to the famous "Land Shark" skit from Saturday Night Live, with everyone hiding behind the door afraid to make a sound. "Rangel was the land shark, I guess," the aide jokes. But the real punch line came when Thomas finally opened the door. "This meeting," he informed Rangel, "is only open to the coalition of the willing."

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One of the most depressing examples of one-party rule is the Patriot Act. The measure was originally crafted in classic bipartisan fashion in the Judiciary Committee, where it passed by a vote of thirty-six to zero, with famed liberals like Barney Frank and Jerrold Nadler saying aye. But when the bill was sent to the Rules Committee, the Republicans simply chucked the approved bill and replaced it with a new, far more repressive version, apparently written at the direction of then-Attorney General John Ashcroft.

"They just rewrote the whole bill," says Rep. James McGovern, a minority member of the Rules Committee. "All that committee work was just for show."

To ensure that Democrats can't alter any of the last-minute changes, Republicans have overseen a monstrous increase in the number of "closed" rules -- bills that go to the floor for a vote without any possibility of amendment. This tactic undercuts the very essence of democracy: In a bicameral system, allowing bills to be debated openly is the only way that the minority can have a real impact, by offering amendments to legislation drafted by the majority.

In 1977, when Democrats held a majority in the House, eighty-five percent of all bills were open to amendment. But by 1994, the last year Democrats ran the House, that number had dropped to thirty percent -- and Republicans were seriously pissed. "You know what the closed rule means," Rep. Lincoln Diaz-Balart of Florida thundered on the House floor. "It means no discussion, no amendments. That is profoundly undemocratic." When Republicans took control of the House, they vowed to throw off the gag rules imposed by Democrats. On opening day of the 104th Congress, then-Rules Committee chairman Gerald Solomon announced his intention to institute free debate on the floor. "Instead of having seventy percent closed rules," he declared, "we are going to have seventy percent open and unrestricted rules."
How has Solomon fared? Of the 111 rules introduced in the first session of this Congress, only twelve were open. Of those, eleven were appropriations bills, which are traditionally open. That left just one open vote -- H. Res. 255, the Federal Deposit Insurance Reform Act of 2005.

In the second session of this Congress? Not a single open rule, outside of appropriation votes. Under the Republicans, amendable bills have been a genuine Washington rarity, the upside-down eight-leafed clover of legislative politics.

<more>
\http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/12055360/cover_story_time_to_go_inside_the_worst_congress_ever


It's a long article, and worth reading.


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Vogon_Glory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-14-07 11:54 AM
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13. A Worthwhile Article, BUT
I remember at least skimming through that article in Rolling Stone. I thought that it would have proved highly educational--although I knew most of the writers' points already.

But do you SERIOUSLY expect the Freeperstanis to read it?

:crazy: :tinfoilhat:
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-14-07 11:59 AM
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14. Hmmm... it is lacking in pictures, isn't it? n/t
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-14-07 11:35 AM
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8. Yup they've been sniffing tailpipes alright
woof wooooooof
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-14-07 11:39 AM
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9. 'the manta is “It’s all ROVE’s Fault??!!'


Must be Aquaman...talking to fish.
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gatorboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-14-07 11:44 AM
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11. Huh Huh!!!




Manta......
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-14-07 11:41 AM
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10. Hey, it's just a job. They must get paid by the RNC to write that crap. nt
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-14-07 11:44 AM
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12. I think I'm going...to...
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roamer65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-14-07 12:06 PM
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15. 25% backwash opinions.
Edited on Tue Aug-14-07 12:09 PM by roamer65
They are irrelevant whiners. They trashed the Clintons for no good reason and they expected to be treated nicely after it??? LOL. Wasn't gonna happen. I will never let up on criticizing the Moron....EVER.


Bill lied, Monica cried...* lied, people died.
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