Do you think if a Mother has had two children taken away by CPS

[Horse with no Name]

for neglect and abuse that she should be given a premature newborn baby to take home when the nursing staff has observed some alarming behavior?

[Liberty Belle]

1. No; I'd call CPS if you haven't already.

[EFerrari]

2. My problem is, CPS can be as neglectful and abusive

as the problem parents.

Times like this I wish I was a true believer because something more is needed. :(

[mzteris]

3. absolutely do NOT

let that kid go home with her.

CPS should have already BEEN there if she had two kids removed.

If you're seeing "alarming behaviour" - it's imperative that they be notified.

(Funny - this sounds exactly like the scenario of my adopted son. Only CPS was notified the minute she showed up at the hospital. Of course she was high on crack, but still . . . )

[Colorado Progressive]

4. this would require a lot more info to even comment on....

I have heard of too many bs cases against women/mothers and so-called mental health patients. Even known some people diagnosed as one mental disease or another, and then later that mental health facilty was shut down for incompetence (ie getting paid far too well for conveniently diagnosing and medicating everyone as say, bi-polar, even if it was a parent of a recently deceased child with no prior history who was just severely in pain.)

The "science" of diagnosing mental illness is poor. The mind is poorly understood. There are a lot of PHD's out there who have spent a lot of money and time in school, and want to get paid as reimbursement. But noone really understands what makes some people think or act differently, there is NO scientific basis for any of it. That is why its called a fluff and bullshit science. You cant just sit and hypothesize about why certain people hear voices, or whatever.

If you study statistics and scientific theory you will soon become aware of the concept of "observational study". In humans this is often the only study available. It involves polling certain people, then trying to make some sense of whatever "data" you have collected. There is no control group to help balance out the findings. Observational studies are performed because it is not ethical to say give 50% of children a real vaccine against a disease, give 50% a fake one, and then wait to see what happens.

It is very complicated, but most of the stuff posted in newspapaers is based on observational studies and not true scientific experiments, not statistically significant,where there are controls. That is why psychology is considered a fluff and puff science by other hard scientists, including me.

So: what did she do to get the other two children taken away????

[EFerrari]

6. Psychology is not fluff. You're talking about the gap between

theory, practice and community resources. That is a gap that exists in all of the sciences.

[Colorado Progressive]

7. There is a crap load of fluff in psychology. My mentally ill sister

has been diagnosed differently by every so-called expert who has ever seen her. I'm a biologist and have worked in several labs at hospitals. I cant imagine misdiagnosing cancer for diabetes. (and everyone should be thankful for that!!!!)

Psychology is poorly understood to say the least.

[EFerrari]

16. You are generalizing from your experience.

Is that good scientific practice?

[Horse with no Name]

8. She didn't feed them. Left them alone while she was at crack houses.

The youngest is one and the oldest is 3.

[Colorado Progressive]

9. Oh well shit, thats different! LMAO even though not funny....

if its crack well holy shit there is a problem.

[CraftyGal]

11. I have to tell you the same Dr did and evaluation of

twice for CPS. The first time he diagnose with Borderline Personality Disorder and the second time with Paranoid Schizophrenia. Talk about feeling nutty. I do not trust those guys.. CPS was involved because at the the time I was a single parent with 3 children under the age of 5. I was needing some assistance as the 2 oldest were special needs.

So yeah, I I would ask questions to make sure that a premie is being taken ut of the hospital to soon.

[Colorado Progressive]

14. BPS is like the fibromyalgia for mental disorders....

cant really figure out what it is or what causes it, but dammit we will give the stupid thing a name and diagnosis....I'm sorry for you
:hug:

[uppityperson]

5. Based on what you told me elsewhere, even without previous hx, no way.

I wrote before:
Need more info. When were the 2 kids taken away, what "alarming behavior"? Had a friend this happened to. First 2 kids were taken away when she was 16. Had her third mid 30's.

Then I found out more. No, based on how she was, she should not have had any baby, premie or not, be released to her without extreme supervision. Based on her situation, meth, tweeker, no. Crap.

[JVS]

10. The death penalty for negligent and abusive parents would take recidivism to zero

[flying_monkeys]

12. Questions.

1) What "alarming behavoir" did the nurses observe?

2) What were the circs that made the first two be removed (and, if not replicated, then non-applicable)

[uppityperson]

13. look up to #8

[Horse with no Name]

15. I can't say any more because of privacy

But basically the mother was high at the hospital visiting the baby.