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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 06:54 PM
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Craig's Senate webpage updated: "I'm innocent"
Edited on Mon Aug-27-07 06:54 PM by Bluebear
http://craig.senate.gov/keyportal.cfm

Boise, ID - Idaho Senator Larry Craig made the following statement in response to the Roll Call story this afternoon:

"At the time of this incident, I complained to the police that they were misconstruing my actions. I was not involved in any inappropriate conduct.

"I should have had the advice of counsel in resolving this matter. In hindsight, I should not have pled guilty. I was trying to handle this matter myself quickly and expeditiously."
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David Dunham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 06:55 PM
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1. But he pled GUILTY
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 07:00 PM
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4. Exactly. An innocent would never plead guilty. It's not like he was
a run of the mill schmuck who couldn't afford a lawyer

Anyway you look at it, this guy has extremely poor judgment

and is a big fat idiot and liar.
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 07:23 PM
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8. Innocent people plead guilty all the time
especially to misdemeanors where the punishment is not severe and the cost/inconvenience of defending the case just isn't worth it. I have no opinion of Mr. Craig's reason for pleading guilty, and I am not spinning the story for him one way or the other, but I can't agree with the blanket statement that the innocent never plead guilty.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 07:41 PM
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18. True.
More. some people will sign confessions that involve crimes that are quite serious, but that they did not commit. These are not the moths attracted to the flame of publicity, either. A psychologist friend sent me an article about a year ago, about young adults in particular, who are convinced by police into solving false confessions when they do not have an attorney present to protect their interests while being questioned. It is really not uncommon.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 09:21 PM
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23. Come now, this guy is no naive young adult. What are you people smoking?
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 09:26 PM
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26. I didn't say
anything about the senator's case. Another person said innocent people don't plead guilty to crimes they do not commit; another said that is not accurate, though it was not a comment on the specific case; and I added further information about false confessions. As for the senator, I'm confident that he pled guilty because he was guilty of the offense he pled to. More, he is clearly lying now.
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panzerfaust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 07:45 PM
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19. RIGHT ON: 'specially unsophistercated, powerless Senators do that ALL the time
Like, How was he to know that people might actually think that he WAS Guilty, just because he SAID he was? Everybody knows politicians lie all the time. Heck. IF he had of thought that, or if he had knowed anything 'bout fancy lawyers and law, and - and well about stuff like that - then sure-as-God-is-wittless-to-his-innersense he would have gotten a lawyer and ADMITTED that he didn't do it at all. Not like they say he did.

Them cops, they done forced him to do what he did & then were too simple minded to understand that it was just a missedunderstanding.

The quickest way was just to plead guilty, 'cause he knew he wasn't.

Makes sense.

Gee. No public trial that-a-way?



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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 07:54 PM
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21. Again, I have no opinion about the Senator
It seems unlikely that one in his position would plead guilty if he wasn't in fact guilty. Although with an allegation like that, he may have decided that having the allegation made public would be as politically damaging as a conviction. In that circumstance he could have calculated that he would rather enter a quiet plea and take a chance that no one would find out, rather than fight it and have it made public for sure. That calculation would probably have very little to do with whether he was actually innocent or not.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 09:49 PM
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28. It wasn't meant to be a blanket statement. I understand innocent people plead innocent. I
qualified my statement with a follow up sentence that he wasn't a run of the mill schmuck who

couldn't afford a lawyer, but I get your point
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 09:23 PM
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24. Innocents plead guilty all the time. Of course they do.
Any way around, he is a liar.
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 06:56 PM
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2. Give him a break...
It's not like he understands how the legal process works, being a senator and all. :rofl:
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 06:59 PM
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3. You don't understand... He is guilty as long as it remains hidden...
Now that it is public, he's definitely INNOCENT.... We progressives just don't understand, that's all. :eyes:
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youngdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 07:02 PM
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5. You pled guilty, Perv.
I have taken a piss in MANY a public restroom, in many airports. NEVER ONCE was I spread prone, massaging the leg of the person in the stall next to me while masturbating. Now, MAYBE I don't know what I'm doing when it comes to taking a piss, but that has been my experience.

Maybe you and the racist perv from Florida should start a support group for those who don't know how to piss in a public restroom without molesting an undercover cop.
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 07:04 PM
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6. What a load of bullshit. I can guaran-damn-tee you that his plea was carefully negotiated...
...by his counsel. That's why it's a lesser charge.
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 10:28 PM
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29. If he was represented by a lawyer
that would be public record. Pretty easy to catch him in that lie if that is in fact the case.
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MikeNearMcChord Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 07:21 PM
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7. Some interesting quotes from (not so)Free Republic
To: Shermy

The GOP needs to clean it’s house of perverts and sodomites.

12 posted on 08/27/2007 4:53:09 PM PDT by Popman (Nothing + Time + Chance = The Universe ---------------------Bridge in Brooklyn for sell - Cheap)


To: Shermy

Looks like Hildabeast and her minions have pretty good info on people. The ‘pubs will be lucky to have 40 seats in the Senate after 2008.

10 posted on 08/27/2007 4:52:36 PM PDT by dynachrome (Henry Bowman is right.) (POSTER NOTE: IF ONLY!)

To: Shermy
I agree. This looks very bad, indeed. He can use all the excuses that he wants, but I doubt that he will convince many that he was “innocent.” I hope that he does the right thing for the GOP and decides not to run again for the senate. He is political toast. Unlike the Dems, Republicans care about sexual ethics.
15 posted on 08/27/2007 4:53:36 PM PDT by Ferox :rofl:
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 07:28 PM
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11. RUH ROH....where not-so-free-republic goes, so goes the rest of the fundies.
Larry should be toast, but I thought Diaper Dave Vitter would be toast too and he's still in the Senate. Welcomed back with open arms.:(
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 07:30 PM
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12. Unlike the Dems, Republicans care about sexual ethics.
Yeah, but that's ALL they care about. They have no problem being lying, thieving, corrupt fucking assholes who bribe, pay off or kill others for their own gain. Just don't have sex and you'll be alright.
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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 07:23 PM
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9. So was Vick - "Just give me a chance to clear my good name!"
:rofl:
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panzerfaust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 07:50 PM
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20. Vick is OK
He has FOUND JESUS through this tribulation.

Nope. Not making this up.

He is square with The Lord, so give him his millions back.

No more dog-fighting: But was he seen pricing cats?

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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 07:26 PM
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10. Obviously we simply aren't paying our Senators enough....
....or he could have hired a rentboy instead of trolling for sex in the public restroom.

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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 07:34 PM
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14. More money in preaching...
Ted Haggard paid good money for sex and drugs.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 07:33 PM
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13. Craig (R- I Da Ho)
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 07:37 PM
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15. "I'm innocent - and THAT'S why I entered a plea of guilty!"
There, that was easy, wasn't it?
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 07:37 PM
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16. Did he link to the video? & picture
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 07:40 PM
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17. funny how these hypocrites never explain what they were doing hanging out in mens rooms in parks and
airports.

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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 08:25 PM
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22. After reading the entire story it is obvious that he thought that
the incident would never become public. Now that it has he is making idiotic statements that prove that he should resign now. He is too stupid to represent his constituents.
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 09:24 PM
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25. What's so wrong about tapping your toes and trying to get others to hum
along?

:hide:
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Beausoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 09:34 PM
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27. Let's just suppose, for a moment, he isn't a stall-pervert. Which is worse?
Pleading guilty to BEING a stall pervert and then claiming you don't have the intellectual wherewithall to defend yourself? As a United States Senator?!

Or actually BEING a stall pervert. As a gay-hating United States Senator.

Either way, he's toast.
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