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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 07:30 AM
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Mrs. Ashcroft - STUCK HER TONGUE OUT - At Gonzales & Card As They Walked Out Of The Room (NYT)
Edited on Tue Sep-04-07 07:33 AM by kpete
Conscience of a Conservative
Published: September 9, 2007
(Page 7 of 7)



Suddenly, Gonzales and Card came in the room and announced that they were there in connection with the classified program. “Ashcroft, who looked like he was near death, sort of puffed up his chest,” Goldsmith recalls. “All of a sudden, energy and color came into his face, and he said that he didn’t appreciate them coming to visit him under those circumstances, that he had concerns about the matter they were asking about and that, in any event, he wasn’t the attorney general at the moment; Jim Comey was. He actually gave a two-minute speech, and I was sure at the end of it he was going to die. It was the most amazing scene I’ve ever witnessed.”

After a bit of silence, Goldsmith told me, Gonzales thanked Ashcroft, and he and Card walked out of the room. “At that moment,” Goldsmith recalled, “Mrs. Ashcroft, who obviously couldn’t believe what she saw happening to her sick husband, looked at Gonzales and Card as they walked out of the room and stuck her tongue out at them. She had no idea what we were discussing, but this sweet-looking woman sticking out her tongue was the ultimate expression of disapproval. It captured the feeling in the room perfectly.”

more at:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/09/magazine/09rosen.html?pagewanted=7
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 07:33 AM
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1. I can imagine her frustration and anger...
I think I wouldn't have been as polite...
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 07:37 AM
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2. wow.
This is one story that ain't goin' away.
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PDittie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 07:40 AM
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3. For a woman married to John Ashcroft
sticking one's tongue out would have to be the equivalent of throwing double rods at someone. (Which makes me wonder how obscene the gesture of scraping one's index finger across the other is in her world.)
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 04:21 PM
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24. "scraping one's index finger across the other"
This is a shaming action. Obviously it doesn't apply to Gonzales.
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 07:40 AM
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4. I'm sure she wanted to do or say much more
But being a "good xtian woman", she held back on her comments.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 07:42 AM
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5. Good for her! The nerve of them barging into

a hospital room and harassing a very sick man. :grr:
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 07:42 AM
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6. Horseshit - I don't believe anything about it until she is under oath
The only version of this story that has any teeth is the one told by Comey, he is the only person there who has truthfully testified under oath as to what happened.

And speaking of under oath, why hasn't Ms, Asshat been in front of the Senate Judiciary Committee?
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 07:55 AM
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10. Captured my sentiments exactly
As I recall, when Andrew and Alberto dropped by in the middle of the night to pay their respects, the phone in the room rang, and Mrs. Ashcroft answered it before handing it over to one of the visitors. Who called Ashcroft's hospital room in the middle of the night and got through? And how did the caller know that Card and Gonzales were there at just that moment?
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 08:02 AM
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12. Me either!
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 07:42 AM
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7. i'm surprised they didn't bring some portable torturing device
approved by asswipe himself.
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Kat 333 Donating Member (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 04:10 AM
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28. Yes ...
Perhaps a CD Player. They could force Asscroft to listen to "Let The Eagle Soar" ... Over and over and over
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Cirque du So-What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 07:44 AM
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8. Jack Goldsmith could play an important role
Edited on Tue Sep-04-07 07:45 AM by Cirque du So-What
in future investigations. His retelling of the meeting at Ashcroft's hospital-bedside meeting is directly contradictory to Gone-zo's recollection...at least the parts where he didn't invoke 'I don't recall.'
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pathansen Donating Member (696 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 07:49 AM
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9. Thanks for this post
Too bad more people were not aware that this happened back when it happened.
I still feel Congress should subpoena John Ashcroft. We need to prove that Bush was behind this.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 08:00 AM
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11. arred and kayed
:kick:
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 08:03 AM
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13. I can't wait for the movie
Damn!!
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 08:31 AM
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15. With, Natalie Mains ,Playing Mrs Ashcroft., then the Chicks could ,
breakout playing "Not ready to make Nice",,, it could be a musical.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 08:19 AM
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14. "You republicon homelander chickenhawks are a shameful lot" - Ms Ashcroft
"YOU freaking republicon homelander EVIL DOERS, you -- Why do you hate America?"

- Ms Ashcroft

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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 08:37 AM
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16. Goldsmith
From page 1

A 40-year-old law professor at the University of Chicago, Goldsmith had established himself, with his friend and fellow law professor John Yoo, as a leading proponent of the view that international standards of human rights should not apply in cases before U.S. courts.

Nine months later, in June 2004, Goldsmith resigned. Although he refused to discuss his resignation at the time, he had led a small group of administration lawyers in a behind-the-scenes revolt against what he considered the constitutional excesses of the legal policies embraced by his White House superiors in the war on terror. During his first weeks on the job, Goldsmith had discovered that the Office of Legal Counsel had written two legal opinions — both drafted by Goldsmith’s friend Yoo, who served as a deputy in the office — about the authority of the executive branch to conduct coercive interrogations. Goldsmith considered these opinions, now known as the “torture memos,” to be tendentious, overly broad and legally flawed, and he fought to change them. He also found himself challenging the White House on a variety of other issues, ranging from surveillance to the trial of suspected terrorists. His efforts succeeded in bringing the Bush administration somewhat closer to what Goldsmith considered the rule of law — although at considerable cost to Goldsmith himself. By the end of his tenure, he was worn out. “I was disgusted with the whole process and fed up and exhausted,” he told me recently.
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 08:47 AM
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17. So she *was* there.
I hope someday she'll testify against them.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 09:32 AM
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18. Mr. Goldsmith's book sounds very interesting
I may just have to buy that one. :)
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 09:43 AM
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19. K&R
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 04:09 PM
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20. So was Comey in the hospital room?


Maybe I missed it in this article, but why doesn't Goldsmith say that Comey was in the room? Goldsmith talks about Comey being the AG, and that Card & Gonzales came to see Ashcroft in the hospital room. But I guess we are to infer the Comey was in the room too?
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 04:17 PM
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22. Yes, Comey was there & Asscroft confirmed Comey's account
in a secret Congressional Hearing, which was not publicized much. I did read a New article about it. It was reported that Asscroft confirmed Comey's testimony of that event.
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 06:03 PM
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27. I also heard Comey's testimony
that Comey said he was in the room with Ashcroft and saw Gonzales and Card.

But why didn't Goldsmith, in this NYT magazine article, confirm that Comey was there?
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 04:13 PM
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21. what utter slime balls -- just absolute creepiness, yet they fools held the highest legal offices in
the most powerful country in the world
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 04:19 PM
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23. Hand this story to anyone who still supports "right to carry" laws.
In a well armed society, Mrs Ashcroft might've solved our Gonzales related problems right there.

And we'd all be discussing what a disaster Attorney General Olson or Attorney General Yoo was.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 04:28 PM
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25. Will we ever find out exactly who sent Gonzo & Card to
that hospital?
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 04:44 PM
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26. "Senator, I don't recall."
I do admire Mr Bush for hiring the mentally challenged.
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