Would you describe yourself as a "moveon" democrat?

[mdmc]

Poll question: Would you describe yourself as a "moveon" democrat?

Hey All.
Last year I asked DU'ers "Where ya at?" in a GD poll. The choices were DLC / DNC / Black Caucus / Independent / Progressive Caucus / Labor - Working Family / Green ...

I have really been impressed with pretty much everything that moveon.org has done. I really like their work. I feel like moveon pretty much represents my opinions and views much better then the DLC or the DNC.

So do you think of yourself as a moveon dem? If not, please post your dem affiliation in the subject line of your reply.

Thanks. Peace and low stress. Peace in the middle east.

[IndianaJones]

1. conservative Democrat. nt.

[mdmc]

4. I come from a very conservative Dem party area

thanks for your input...

[Smarmie Doofus]

11. Then you must be from NY. nt

[mdmc]

49. upstate

actually, we are now "downstate"...

[Smarmie Doofus]

52. Upstate, downstate: the NYS DEM party is freakishly RW...

... relative to the national party.

[mdmc]

53. the state party is middle to right wing pro corporationist

the national party is totally owned by corporate interests.

At least in NYS we have the Working Family Party. As long as a Democrat is not anti-union (how can a DEM ever be anti-union :shrug: ), the WFP will cross endorse them.

However, if the Dems nominate a conservative, anti-union candidate, the WFP will either endorse the GOP or run a third candidate.

There is still some democracy in them there hills.:kick:

[Pyrzqxgl]

43. Then its your responsibility to make it more liberal, damn it!

[mdmc]

54. been there , done that -- more 'votes' to be gained from the GOP

The local dem party won't go to the left. If I want the left, I can join the independent party (reform party) or the working family party.

[gatorboy]

16. In what way?

[IndianaJones]

17. defense. trade. nt.

[gatorboy]

19. You're for Amercian jobs going overseas?

Liberal Democrats are against our country being defended? Can you elaborate?

[IndianaJones]

20. which jobs? I don't know what your views are on defense, you asked what made me...

a conservative Democrat, not what makes others liberal Democrats.

[gatorboy]

23. I'm asking how your views on trade and defense differ from liberal Democrats.

[IndianaJones]

28. I happen to agree with the DLC on many issues specific to trade and defense...

Those views have been labeled conservative or worse here. My assumption is then that they differ from liberal views. Am I incorrect in this assumption?

[gatorboy]

31. I don't know. You still haven't described anything in specifics.

What is the DLC's opinion on Trade and Defense?

[IndianaJones]

32. Its outlined very well on their website. Much better than I could try to post. nt.

[gatorboy]

33. You can't even describe how YOU feel about the issues?

Okay....Nevermind. :eyes:

I wouldn't want you to hurt yourself. :P

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

24. Can you not just respect someone else's political views?

You have to ask snarky questions to achieve some form of fascist ideological purity? What happened to the big tent?

[gatorboy]

26. Nothing snarky about it.

I'm honestly curious.

[BlooInBloo]

36. Oooh - you said the "C" word - you're in for it now! lol!

[IndianaJones]

38. another guy further down says the same, but I get jumped. lol.

I mentioned DLC too. Living dangerously I guess.

[Tesha]

2. Yes, most of the time. (NT)

[bryant69]

3. It's a tricky one

Because they are an organization that has done things I didn't agree with - on both sides of the spectrum - but in general I think they are on the right side. And given all the shit they get from the Conservative Media, I'm proud to describe myself as a MoveOn Dem.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[mmonk]

5. Absolutely.

I'm for any organization trying to push the truth in this current cesspool of lies.

[sandnsea]

6. I'm more a PFAW Democrat

Somehow they always manage to get their message out without resorting to juvenile antics. They do the hard work while others just mouth off.

[mod mom]

7. I was until their silence over the '04 election. I still attend their anti-war events but

no longer hold fundraisers or personally contribute.

[TwilightGardener]

8. No--conservative Dem. Don't like stuff that looks emo/fringey and detracts

from rational argument.

[The Magistrate]

9. In Most Ways, Sir, Yes

The organization does valuable work, and its actions are more helpful than not.

[Murdock]

12. Question...

Do you consider their latest NY times AD helpful?

[Windy]

10. Not after this last childish ad blitz.

There are better ways of standing up against the other side than to result to juvenile name calling. Present facts in an adult manner to get the response you want. Behaving childishly detracts from the message.

I will no longer contribute to Move On.

[sallyseven]

13. Well the White house did announce

that his report would be a combination of both his report and the white house report and would be written by the white house staff. Kiss the end of the war goodbye.

[spoony]

14. Not since they shit on Dingell

[Mythsaje]

15. I'm an obnoxious, irritating, outspoken, independent Democrat...

I don't consider myself part of anything in particular and I like it that way.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

18. Independent Thinker

eom

[BurtWorm]

21. I would feel more comfortable calling myself a Howard Dean or Al Gore Democrat.

I used to respond to every one of their e-mails in the early years. But I've become to inured to MoveOn's daily spam, alas. I don't even look at them anymore.

[EFerrari]

22. MoveOn went dark when they stole 2004. So, no, not any more. nt

[Breeze54]

39. Not true!!

Investigate the Vote
http://civic.moveon.org/investigatethevote/

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=MoveOn.org

[EFerrari]

40. Weeks later Doesn't make me happy at all but that is

what happened. :(

[Breeze54]

42. It wasn't "weeks" later...

http://www.alternet.org/election04/20575

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1775607&mesg_id=1776346

[H2O Man]

25. I donate

to MoveOn.org, and participate in some of their activities. I do not agree with any other person or group 100%.

[Warren DeMontague]

27. I like Moveon. I consider myself a left-libertarian liberal Democrat. nt

[TahitiNut]

29. Move-on liberal independent.

:shrug: I don't "join" ANY party or group - I support groups and interests whose efforts are aligned with mine.

[DJKDJKDJK]

30. MoveOn is a horrible title for an organization based on politics.

You must remember the past and present to build a better future. MoveOn by the name alone just says..."Let's move on...it wasn't a big deal." With that attitude you are bound to be taken advantage of again and nothing will change for the world. Hence, a second stolen Presidential election.

You must move backwards and forwards to create the here and now.

[Breeze54]

37. "Moveon.org ran more than $20 million worth of ads indicting the Bush administration."

http://www.pbs.org/elections/essays.html">How the 2004 Election Changed Political Communication

by Kathleen Hall Jamieson

Tuesday, November 09, 2004

---------------------------------

On the Spot: Moving On with MoveOn

By Rachel Neumann, AlterNet. Posted November 23, 2004.

http://www.alternet.org/election04/20575/

MoveOn mobilized hundreds of thousands before the election.
This weekend, almost 20,000 people met to tell them what they
should be doing next. But can they turn all that energy into
a unified progressive vision?

The waiting list was long; only a lucky 60 people found their way to this San Francisco location on Sunday, Nov. 21. With a friend in common – the progressive online organization MoveOn.org – conversation came easily; they converged on the San Francisco loft, trading names and stories on their way up the stairs. While some had brought their own chairs or stood by the food, most people sat on the floor. Around the country, over 18,000 people were meeting at 1,500 parties like this one, designed to help MoveOn.org decide on its next priorities and strategies.

MoveOn mobilized hundreds of thousands of frustrated people before the Nov. 2 election. They made phone calls to swing states, educated themselves with progressive media, raised over $50 million for John Kerry and local candidates, and sent over 70,000 volunteers into the swing states. Because the organization was particularly vocal in the last month leading up the election, their silence in the days that followed after election day left some of their members feeling lost. Where was the group that had helped them turn outrage into action? In an interview with KGO radio, Joan Blades, MoveOn's co-founder, said "The day after the election we were deluged with emails from members saying 'Thank you, this was wonderful, what next?'"

After dealing with their own sense of electoral loss and recognizing some of the smaller victories from election day, the staff at MoveOn realized that they didn't know what was next. They had some ideas, but, as the staff wrote in a collective email to supporters, "we agreed that we couldn't move forward with anything until we heard from you."

more.........

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Investigate the Vote

Questions are swirling around whether the election was conducted honestly or not.

We need to know -- was it or wasn't it?

If people were wrongly prevented from voting, or if legitimate votes were mis-counted
or not counted at all, we need to know so the wrongdoers can be held accountable, and
to help prevent this from happening again.

That's why we believe that:

"Congress must investigate the integrity of the voting process in the 2004 election."

http://civic.moveon.org/investigatethevote/

[orleans]

34. i kinda moved on from move on. maybe they weren't as liberal as

i wanted them to be.

[goodhue]

35. moveon lost me earlier this year when they chose compromise on iraq war funding

[HughMoran]

46. lol

doesn't leave you with much huh?

[madrchsod]

41. wobbly

[Pyrzqxgl]

47. One Big Union, General Strike, Count me in!

[HughMoran]

44. Given them money twice this past year

...can't say I've given the Dems any money yet.

[POAS]

45. Been a donor from earlyon with moveon.

[in_cog_ni_to]

48. I'm a member of MoveOn. n/t

[SaveElmer]

50. When my donation money started going to attack other Democrats...

I pulled the plug...they have jumped the shark as far as I am concerned...

[Cha]

51. Yes, I'm for ending buSHITS

Fucking war on our Planet and giving Power to The People and The Peaceful!

[KoKo]

55. I support MoveOn and will always appreciate the Forum they gave Al Gore for his

speech where he was the only one to come out against Bush's Policies and support the Constitution when most of the country was still in Patriot Act/Kill/Kill/War fervor. They were courageous in giving him a forum that no one else would.

[Snarkturian Clone]

56. Not my cup o' tea nt.