News: MoveOn's silly, distracting ad has RW up in arms; Petraeus says surge is working; more...

[ProSense]

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9 American soldiers killed in Iraq


Talking Points Memo charts Petraeus' numbers:




Talking Points Memo charts Iraqi civilian death toll tracked by Iraq Body Count:




From Iraq Body Count:

AUGUST CIVILIAN DEATH TOLL: 2,575

JULY CIVILIAN DEATH TOLL: 2,600


McClatchy reports that 2,890 civilians were killed in August and charts Bush's surge:




Iraqis believe US surge has failed:



More from Iraq: Where Things Stand (PDF):

......................................................................8/24/07.......................................3/5/07
......................................................................Sunni........Shiite.......Kurd..............Sunni........Shiite.......Kurd
Leave now..........................................................72............44............8................55.............28...........11
Remain until security is restored..............................27............38..........36................41.............39...........28
Remain until the Iraqi government Is stronger..............*............10..........28.................3.............18...........28
Remain until the Iraqi security
Forces can operate independently.............................1..............6..........18.................1.............13...........24
Remain longer but leave eventually............................0..............1...........8..................*..............2.............7
Never leave...........................................................0..............*..........2..................0..............*.............2
No opinion.............................................................*..............*..........1..................0..............*.............*


22. Overall, do you think the presence of U.S. forces in Iraq is making
security in our country better, worse, or having no effect on the security
situation?
................Better......Worse........No effect.......No opin.
8/24/07........18...........72...............9................*
Sunni.............2...........95...............3................0
Shiite...........17...........73..............10................0
Kurdish.........53...........28..............17................2
3/5/07..........21...........69..............10................*
Sunni.............2...........94...............4................0
Shiite...........19...........71..............10................*
Kurdish.........67...........15..............18................0



Edited to add TPM chart and Iraq Body Count

[ProSense]

1. Kick! n/t

[beachmom]

2. K & R. Pictures can tell a thousand words. n/t

[ProSense]

3. Kick! n/t

[ProSense]

4. Kick! n/t

[HughMoran]

5. The only thing that counts is what the Iraqis think

I agree with them...

[RainDog]

6. k&r n/t

[KoKo]

7. "Move On" has been under pressure to regain some Credibility on the Left.

I don't have a problem with their Ad. After the FISA vote .....I was happy to see whatever RESISTENCE those opposing Bush Policies could bring forth to let our Reps know how we feel.

Meeting with them over the Recess didn't seem to change their opinion...and no matter how much we "marched" in the streets with little or no Media Coverage didn't seem to change their opinion.

So...Move On does a good thing and it gets TRASHED on a Democratic Website... :shrug:

[ShortnFiery]

12. As they say, "No good deed goes unpunished." Me? I'm damn proud of MoveOn.Org.

:thumbsup: But hell, I'm a pinko liberal ... make that A PROUD AMERICAN Pinko Liberal. :patriot:

[ProSense]

14. The ad was silly because

Petraeus works for Bush so how can he betrayus? The effort to Rhyme got the best of them, and the timing of the ad sucked!

[TankLV]

15. Kicking your own fucking spew is what is silly and DISGUSTING...

Because noone will bite...

MoveOn was DEAD right.

Period.

I hate vichy dems...

[ProSense]

16. Kick!

The ad was beyond stupid. It's clueless to think that Petraeus was going to deliver any other report than he did.

[ProSense]

18. Almost four months ago,

look who said the exactly what to expect:

This allows the president to certify whatever the president wants, to waive whatever the president wants. And I promise to my colleagues, we will be back here in September having the same debate with the same benchmark questions and they will not have moved in their accountability. -- John Kerry, speech during funding vote in May

Why is anyone surprised or feeling betrayed?

[mourningdove92]

8. I see nothing wrong with the ad.

I see a lot of spin on the MSM to make it look like the "surge" is working and, Oh Wow, Petraeus says we can start bringing the troop home! Um, next summer.

We need ads like this to remind people of the mind games being played.

[ProSense]

9. Maybe so, but

I don't think it should become the focus when everyone is paying attention trying to discern the facts. If 60% of Americans want withdrawal, I want another 1% or more to jump on the bandwagon armed with the facts.

[ProSense]

10. Five days, 21 U.S. troops killed in Iraq

Sept 6 - 10: 21

[Joe for Clark]

11. You know what they really did - don't you??

The managed to get this out in every single news cycle for the price of one add.

Kudos - you guys at move-one -

Absolutely brlliant.

And good for you!!!!!

Joe

[Kelly Rupert]

13. K&R'd. Images are important. Spread these.

Post them on forums. Get them out. All of them are great.

[tabasco]

17. Seeing that gutless POS McConnel in the Senate with his faux outrage

about turned my stomach. :puke: