If Hillary is our nominee, do you think she can win the General Election?

[RiverStone]

Poll question: If Hillary is our nominee, do you think she can win the General Election?

I will be voting Democratic in 2008 and though Hillary is far from my preferred choice as the Democratic nominee for President; the MSM continues to push the fact or propaganda that she is the presumptive favorite.

Hypothetically, do you think HRC has a chance to win the General Election? :shrug:


As an aside, this poll is not asking if you will vote for her --- simply do you think she can win?

[depakid]

1. She will not only lose

but her negative coattails will take down democratic candidates and progressive ballot measures all over the country.

[Dawgs]

3. Couldn't agree more.

I'm one that doesn't know if she can win. I don't think anyone can know.

The question is, 'do we really want to take that chance?'.

[onehandle]

21. Check out this poll I posted on coattails------->

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=3496258

[Flabbergasted]

31. kicked

[havocmom]

25. Yep

She would be the masthead of a sinking ship

[mike_c]

2. I don't know, but I will do whatever I can to defeat her, i.e. vote for someone else....

eom

[obnoxiousdrunk]

7. That means

work for Rudy or Freddy . WTF ?

[mike_c]

12. oh please, that strawman is so crusty it just doesn't work anymore....

That's just insulting, and it doesn't make the least bit of sense, either. I mean, if I won't vote for a republican lite, why would I work for the real thing?

[obnoxiousdrunk]

26. Well you

said "I don't know, but I will do whatever I can to defeat her, i.e. vote for someone else....
Just asking......

[mike_c]

29. I'll vote for a liberal candidate....

I'm sure there will be one or two out there somewhere.

[Cha]

4. I think the Dem is gonna win..that's

why I don't want hill-ary to be it.

But, what do I know? That's why these speculative questions are just that ..who has the fucking crystal ball, anyway?

[slackmaster]

5. Memories...

[mdmc]

6. She will win. We will lose

She will get the White House. The GOP will make gains everywhere else.

[Cha]

9. Why should the goPerverts make

gains anywhere? I don't want hillary, business as usual.

[txaslftist]

11. Beat me to it.

[depakid]

27. The corporate media wins either way

Even if the Republican nominee implodes, they're free from responsibility and regulation for another 4 years.

[harun]

41. That's why the real battle this time around is the Dem primary (n/t)

[againes654]

8. "They"

The preverbial "they", want her to win the Dem nomination so they can defeat her in the GE. She is far from my first choice (Go Dennis!!!), and I am afraid if she wins the nomination, we are screwed.:nuke:

[sallyseven]

35. Who the hell of the repuks is going to beat her?

Stop the silly stuff. If you have a gripe write to her and tell her. Don't just vomit your nonsense on the rest of us.

[txaslftist]

10. She will win.

The rest of us get to lose.

[liberalmuse]

13. She's certainly not my first choice...

but if she makes it past the primaries, she will win the Presidency.

[Marr]

14. Hillary is a lose/lose proposition.

She's the only candidate that could motivate the right-wing's disillusioned base to get out and vote, and she's not very popular with Democrats. Add to that her thoroughly DLC politics, and I fail to see her appeal.

Why risk everything for a shot at gaining nothing?

[truebrit71]

16. Please see: Pelosi, N and Reid, H for an answer to that question...

...they were elected to take care of business and hold the criminals to account, instead they just keep rolling over and writing bigger and bigger checks for the BFEE...

HRC? :puke: No thanks!

[Individualist]

18. Exactly

For the reasons you stated, a Hillary nomination is a guaranteed landslide victory for the GOP.

[RiverStone]

22. well...she's not very popular on DU

I agree with ya Marr; though somewhere according to some polling data - she remains not only popular, but in the lead. Seems with the MSM anyway, HRC hovers in the 40% range with Obama in the low 20% and Edwards 15-18%.

I remain baffled at the disconnect between DU and all the other DEMS out there that theoretically support her??? Who are these folks and where do they live? Not one of my Dem friends is voting for her (in the primaries) - I'm currently in the Obama camp (with Edwards slowly gaining more appeal).

I just don't get it! :shrug:

That being said, I really, really have my doubts if she can win the general anyway. Thats why I asked...


peace :)

[TwilightZone]

37. DU is not remotely representative of reality.

If it were, Dennis Kucinich or Wes Clark would be president.

[onehandle]

38. Yep. nt

[Mnemosyne]

23. Agree, nothing will polarize wingnuts to vote in massive numbers

like HRC in the general election, nothing.

[DaveJ]

15. the GOP has truly F'ed up

So yes Dem will win in 2008.

(We already knew it, but over the past 6 years the whole country has grown to recognize their incompetence.)

[demnan]

17. She will win

if we have fair elections in Florida and Ohio, which is not a given.

Things will be better after she is elected. She will gradually get us out of Iraq. Frankly I'll be relieved to see her President. Anything is better than what we've got now.

When she does win, we must build a strategy, a coalition on the left to make sure she listens to us. We need to keep the pressure on and keep her accountable.

[mmonk]

19. Probably somewhere between

No, she will get the usual Blue states - but won't win any new Red ones
and
No she will lose in Michael Dukakis type proportions.

[Skip Intro]

20. She'll win.

[CTyankee]

24. I can't vote in this poll. I don't think we can make comparisons to

Dukakis or anybody else. We have literally never had a woman candidate in a major party run for president in the general and her situation as the wife of a former much loved president is also unique.

We won't know until there are more polls showing what Republicans and Independents are going to do. That's a ways off from now. I trust well done, large polls and it's too early to get an accurate reading.

[obnoxiousdrunk]

28. She

will win in the General but will loose in Internet polls.

[mondo joe]

30. Don't know. She's the best fighter of the bunch - something we have not had in

the last two presidential runs.

[cooolandrew]

32. I think Hillary will win because she knows how it's done.

Check out the high percentages she was elected by in NYC. They said back then she couldn't do it and she did twice. She'll win by a surprising amount.

[Cosmocat]

52. I agree ...

There is no denying her effectiveness as both a campaigner and politician ...

I don't want her to be the nominee, cause it will be an absolute BLOODFEST of an election, the right wing WILL go nuts ... Then, it will be the 90s redeux, with her doing a good job and them going off on bizarre tangents and fishing expeditions trying to bring her down ... It just is going to be brutal ...

But, I agree that gets it done ... All this "motivating the base" stuff ... eh ... She might bring out a couple more votes, but most of the people who go ape shiite about her are die hard Rs who DO vote and WILL NOT vote D under any circumstances to begin with ...

[La Lioness Priyanka]

33. yes,

[The River]

34. Hell No!

I live in a very purple state (trending blue) but I'll vote Green if
she is the nominee.

[TwilightZone]

36. Wow, the denial in here in incredible.

She's leading most head-to-head polls vs. Romney, Giuliani, and Thompson, yet the vast majority here apparently thinks that she's going to lose easily.

Interesting.

[harun]

45. In my opinion the polls are meaningless because the reason

she will lose easily has to do with turnout, not what people phoned at home sitting on their couch think. With Hillary you do not get an energized base, you don't get motivation. It will not turn out the numbers say an Edwards or an Obama would.

Do you think anyone is going to get excited that Hillary will:

• Continue the occupation of Iraq
  
• Continue letting Health Care companies loot the system and deny people care
  
• Continue letting corporations have undue power and influence over our political system
  
• Continue letting higher education become more and more unattainable for everyone but the rich
  

[TwilightZone]

47. After the clean sweep of '06, you think turnout is going to be a problem?

I'd have to disagree. We didn't win in '06 because people stayed home. There's little reason to believe that '08 is going to be any different.

[harun]

50. We'll see

People turned out for change, they aren't going to get change with Hillary.

[book_worm]

39. According to polls she is beating all the Reps and picking up states like Ark and KY

[ThomWV]

55. Then immagine how well our real candidate is going to do, 'cause if she would win them anyone could.

[madrchsod]

40. she`ll win the election

as much as i dislike her and think she will not make any fundamental changes that are needed in this country what has anyone on the other side have to offer..

[MoonRiver]

42. I'm really starting to believe she'll win.

I never thought she'd be so far ahead among Democrats and Independents. It's beginning to feel inevitable that she will be our next president. Regardless of my reservations about her, it would be so awesome to have the Clinton's back in the WH!

:)

[RiverStone]

56. When did you start believing that?

Just curious MyPetRock, what happened in your thinking that "it's beginning to feel inevitable that she will be our next president"??? What do you base your optimism on?

Yea, I'd totally dig having a Clinton back in the WH - if Bill could serve as Pres for a 3rd term. I've always had great admiration for him - my post was simply to gage if DUers shared the optimism that you say you feel. By a 2 to 1 margin, apparently not.

peace~ :)

[MoonRiver]

57. I don't know exactly when.

Maybe my feeling represents the frog in boiling pot syndrome! B-)

[NNN0LHI]

43. Any of the Dem candidates not only can but will win in the General n/t

[Kelly Rupert]

44. She's doing the best in the head-to-heads of anyone.

She's doing the best in the primaries. She is going to win.

[emilyg]

53. Yes.

[ShortnFiery]

46. Kick

:dem:

[terrya]

48. Yes, she can win.

It won't be a landslide, but she can win.

[rucky]

49. Lose 51-49. It doesn't matter who she's against.

nobody's on the fence about Hillary.

[alfredo]

51. Don't underestimate her. That's the same mistake the GOP has

made over the years.

[blm]

54. Florida and Ohio WERE blue states that were rigged - Picking them up would be

because the election process was secured enough by the work and vigilance of the DNC so the Dem COULD get their votes counted.

Thankyou Chairman Dean.

[mdmc]

58. kick

DNC CHAIR DEAN:toast:

[NaturalHigh]

59. She barely gets the majority in a DU poll...

on how many people would vote for her if she were the nominee. If she barely wins a vote on Democratic Underground, how will she win the election when so much of the general public can't stand her?