Alternet gets it - Please read this:

[Coexist]

http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/63160/

But it's far more serious than that. The fact that 25 Democratic Senators voted for the resolution is an indication of how deeply disconnected they are from the values that most Americans share. After all, polls taken after General Petraeus' testimony revealed that his show had barely changed public opinion on Iraq. Before he testified, a majority expected him to paint a rosier picture than reality -- to lie before Congress about the effectiveness of the surge, just as the MoveOn ad accused him of doing.

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With such a boneheaded move, Senate Democrats showed again that there is no limit to their Pavlovian responses to military issues. They stand petrified that they'll be called dirty, America-hating hippies who "oppose the troops" by Republicans, that they'll invite a conservative back-lash if they show spine on ending the open-ended occupation of Iraq or that they'll appear "soft on terror" or anti-military. It is the same unique paranoia about military issues that will likely keep a U.S. occupation force in Iraq until the Iraqis force our hand. The legislative process will remain hopeless as long as there is a group of Democrats who embrace every narrative that the hawks in Congress put out there.

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That they didn't doesn't just reflect on their political tone-deafness; something more frightening is going on. By capitulating to the GOP's spinmeisters, they became complicit in putting the military on a pedestal, tacitly endorsing the idea that you can go after politicians who lie, but not generals, even generals who are rumored to have political aspirations.

I won't mince words: glorifying the military -- placing it above reproach, suggesting that it is inappropriate to question its officers on the same terms as we question civilian leaders -- is a giant step towards fascism. In condemning the anti-MoveOn resolution, Barbara Boxer said: ""This is the United States of America. We don't condemn single ads or organizations. We condemn every attack on the glory of our military." I don't hold members of the military responsible for the decision to invade Iraq, but when we forget that they're serving in an illegal, immoral and unpopular war, and talk about how we have to condemn any attack on the military's "glory," we're getting into serious Kim Jong Il territory.

To be honest, I haven't been to a DEC meeting in months - I haven't had the heart. After this, I don't think I will go back again - even with the election coming up. I'm not interested in walking precincts for the Democrats. I canvassed for MoveOn before, I will canvas for them again.

[rwheeler31]

1. Who cares its football season. Do not worry so much.

[zeemike]

2. Yep they get it n/t

[liberalmuse]

3. MoveOn represents the people...

unlike most of Congress. I appreciate your posting this, and agree with your sentiment. I believe I will volunteer for MoveOn as well. I sent them some $ today, and was incredibly therapeutic. Hillary's donation request still lies on my dresser, gathering dust. She probably should have blown off the censure vote and spun the whole idiotic puppet theatre as the 'pubs wasting precious time they could be devoting to helping author a feasible health care bill. The Darth Vader thing, voting aye for Webb's bill and to restore habeaus corpus was good, though. I wish all the Dems would have boycotted the votes today. The Republicans are acting like my daughter did when she was 2. She'd hold her breath and turn purple in her attempts to get me to cave in. She learned soon enough it was futile. Reid needs to learn how to be a stern mommy.

[pingzing58]

4. How can I find out who these 25 Democrats were?

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

8. please disregard.

I'm a day behind.

MKJ

[Coexist]

10. here is a list from this thread -

Baucus (D-MT), Bayh (D-IN), Cardin (D-MD), Carper (D-DE), Casey (D-PA), Conrad (D-ND), Dorgan (D-ND), Feinstein (D-CA), Johnson (D-SD), Klobuchar (D-MN), Kohl (D-WI), Landrieu (D-LA), Leahy (D-VT), Lincoln (D-AR), McCaskill (D-MO), Mikulski (D-MD), Nelson (D-FL), Nelson (D-NE), Pryor (D-AR), Salazar (D-CO), Tester (D-MT), Webb (D-VA)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1859330&mesg_id=1859330

FYI - I did not fact check it for accuracy.

[Pachamama]

15. I'm disgusted at my Senator Feinstein - no big surprise there...But LEAHY??? Leahy? That is shockin

:shrug:

[Coexist]

18. that surprised me, too.

but I don't know all the local politics.

[Pachamama]

20. Leahy represents Vermont....VERMONT!!! Where Bernie Saunders hails from and where towns are voting

for Impeachment of George W. Bush and the withdrawal of troops from Iraq! There are huge numbers of Vermont MoveOn members and even TrueMajority (founded by Ben of Ben and Jerry's) is based out of....(they made a great Bush Doll that I have hanging in the car with his pants on fire).

I'm not in Vermont, but I would love to hear what Vermonter's have to say about this one....

[Coexist]

24. I usually love whatever he has to say

did he make a floor speech on this that you know of?

[Pachamama]

30. Not that I know of...but I want to find out what he has to say about this...

Meanwhile, after just watching the "Freedomwatch" ad condemning the MoveOn ad, I'm feeling the need to make another donation...my 3rd of the day.... :hi:

[Justitia]

37. yeah, Leahy is the only real surprise there. Huge disappointment. -eom

[pingzing58]

34. I can understand those that are veterans semper fi and all that but Landrieu she should be expelled

from the Dem. party. Is there a way to do that? I'd invite her constituents to do so. Oh, wait she's from LA where they are still trying to hang Blacks from school house trees.

[sandnsea]

5. You canvassed for MoveOn??

Are they supporting the Socialists now or something?

[Coexist]

6. what in the world does that mean?

[sandnsea]

14. They support Dems still, don't they?

You can feel better about canvassing for MoveOn if you want to I guess - but the ultimate goal is still getting Dems elected. So it seems rather counter-productive to trash the people the group you support is advocating.

[Coexist]

17. I didn't trash them

I said I didn't have the heart to work with them. Big difference.

People keep track of how many volunteers are recruited, how much money is raised and how many doors are knocked on. I will add my time and $$ to the MoveOn column - maybe if lots of us do - it will make people think.

[sandnsea]

23. You Are Anyway

If you canvas for Moveon who works to get Dems elected, then you're still canvassing for Dems. You might have an easier time if you didn't tell your friends how disappointed you are in Dems and then turn around and ask for their vote next year.

[Coexist]

27. whatever.

done here.

[sandnsea]

31. Well if you're canvassing for Moveon

who is promoting Democrats, I thought you'd want to reconsider because that doesn't make any sense to me.

[ProudDad]

32. Move On tends to support

progressive Dems.

Those other slime that call themselves "Democrat" get their money from the DLC and corporations...

[sandnsea]

36. Voters don't differentiate

When you can get them past, they're all crooks anyway; they don't differentiate amongst Dems too much from there. To say you're going to canvass for Moveon to spite your local Dems is just silly.

[Tesha]

43. It's just Sandnsea with their usual twaddle. Don't let them wind you up. (NT)

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

12. Well,

:spray: MKJ

[robinlynne]

16. Moveon worked extremely hard in the 2004 election for kerry. I did election protection

work with moveon in a swing state. Besides monitoring elections, we agve rides to people who needed transportation to go vote, free daycare. there were thousands of us out on the streets canvassing for kerry. organized by moveon.

[Coexist]

19. I originally joined the DEC after canvassing for moveon

because NO ONE called me or knocked on my door, or sent me anything but a request for cash - while my republican neighbors couldn't pick up the phone without it being a R-party person brightly asking them if they were going to vote and what issues were important to them.

[sandnsea]

22. Which is why it's silly to trash Dems

when the group you're aligned with is going to be advocating for them shortly.

I found it ironic that someone would be up in arms over canvassing for Dems, and then turn around and canvass for MoveOn. It's the same purpose.

[robinlynne]

25. I do not consider feinstein or lieberman to be of the same group I am, no way,

no how. I was born and raised a democrat, but my 91 year old great great uncle is working tirelessly against lieberman. being a member of the party does not a democrat make.

[Coexist]

26. I did not trash Dems in the OP.

robinlynne did not trash Dems.

get over it.

[Pachamama]

38. Me too....it was amazing how many people were volunteering and MoveOn did a great job!

I also did a bake sale called "Bake back the White House"...it was amazing the turnout that we had!

[robinlynne]

44. yep. Then Kerry won and walked away after all that work. That was a shocker.

[Pachamama]

45. That's a whole 'nother story - I helped raise a lot of money for Kerry's "Legal Fund" including a

large donation that I made....If I had the opportunity to ever see Kerry again, I'd like to ask him why he didn't use that money and fight legally the way he said he would.

I've figured two things happened: 1) Skull and Bones or 2) Members of his family were threatened.

Otherwise, I have no other explanation....

[BlooInBloo]

7. That's conventional wisdom, which I happen to think is mistaken...

... I think the Democratic congresscritters are scared of the stupid electorate, who tends to believe whatever republicans say.


EDIT: It's also perfectly possible that I'm grasping at straws for anything to make the Democrats' actions seem even slightly reasonable. :)

[Cha]

9. Recommended!~ Come on guys let's

get this on the front page..as the OP says, "Alternet gets it"!

[AuntPatsy]

11. I gave you a recommendation....this is important, all they have done to us is.

[nadinbrzezinski]

13. Yes they get it

sadly not our so called leaders

[SlowDownFast]

21. "...glorifying the military

-- placing it above reproach, suggesting that it is inappropriate to question its officers on the same terms as we question civilian leaders -- is a giant step towards fascism."

Yep. One of many giant steps that are already taking place in this country.

[abelenkpe]

28. wow

I guess I've been living under a rock lately. The senate censured MoveOn.org? But they've never had courage to gripe about all the shenanigans of the past seven years of Cheney or Bush? How ridiculous.

[Fading Captain]

29. Call a democratic politician a pussy, and they'll buckle every time

It's fucking embarassing.

It's exactly what people like Rush say the Democrats will do. And it's exactly what they do.

God, I wish they'd make political parties illegal.
Would someone tell me what good they serve?

[pingzing58]

35. You should get your Senator and Congress Rep. to say that from the floor. Good one.

[Greyhound]

40. I've repeated it a hundred times, but this outrage calls for another,

Americans don't vote for Republiks because they like their positions, but because the republiks take positions and stand by them.

[ProudDad]

33. K&R (n/t)

[mark414]

39. Barbara Boxer really said that?

yikes...:scared:

[Senator]

41. Good Word That. == "Pavlovian"

Really catches the zeitgeist of today's DC/Euphemedia Analstocracy.

Keith O. used that word tonight as well.

Makes you wonder. Unless of course, you are Pavlovian.

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[SkyIsGrey]

42. K&R

nt

[Mythsaje]

46. Alternet usually does...n/t

[fenriswolf]

47. not my congross

hmm it seems like they are pandering to the wrong base while pissing of the base that supposidly supports them, doesnt make much sense politically. Well i guess it does if the dems take our votes for grantes. Well not anymore!!!!

[abq e streeter]

48. $ to move on

I don't make a lot of money, but just made my first ever , albeit modest, donation to move on. In honor of George Bush, the Republicans, and their inexplicably gutless "Democratic" enablers.

[Joanne98]

49. What are they afraid of? Sometimes I wonder if it's something more scary!