Poll question: Do you like the proposed plan to TAX every baby born in the U.S. $5,000?

[L. Coyote]

Poll question: Poll question: Do you like the proposed plan to TAX every baby born in the U.S. $5,000?

Double that for every second child, quadruple that for every third child, etc.

[The Wielding Truth]

1. Could you reference the plan?

[L. Coyote]

5. HRC just mentioned a $5000 account for every child born.

This is just a mirror image idea. Why not charge the parents $5,000 to cover some of the costs to society? Not to mention the need to control human population.

If every woman has only one child, in 100 years there will be less than 1 billion people.

[sicksicksick_N_tired]

24. You realize BushCO has already taxed each child born with nearly $30K, right?

Each person born will bear the weight of approximately $30,000 from BushCO national debt.

Why don't we discuss how the money for that healthcare account is going to be appropriated? That healthcare account will be appropriated by raising the tax on tobacco. Is there something wrong with that?

:shrug:

[L. Coyote]

30. YES. How do you plan to pay your share of US Debt? NOW near $30,000 per citizen!

L. Coyote Fri Sep-28-07 06:07 PM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1935247&mesg_id=1935247
How do you plan to pay your share of US Debt? NOW near $30,000 per citizen!

The debt clock will pass the 9 TRILLION mark by Halloween.
http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock /

Debt Clock: each citizen's share of this debt is $29,607.43

The Outstanding Public Debt as of 28 Sep 2007 at 11:53:28 PM GMT is: $ 8,974,368,055,775.44

The estimated population of the United States is 303,112,048 so each citizen's share of this debt is $29,607.43.

The National Debt has continued to increase an average of $1.28 billion per day since September 29, 2006!

[MODemocrat]

42. It was my understanding that every child born should be given a bond

for $5,000.00,(I think that would be it's value at maturity)and to be used for college, or maybe buy a home.

I'm going to go back to look where I saw that quote, and post it here if I can find it.

[The Wielding Truth]

15. All I could find was a reference to a tax credit that she proposed

in 1997. I don't think this thread is legit. Sorry, LCoyote, I need more info.

[L. Coyote]

23. Clinton Floats Baby Bonds = $5000 would help children be able to afford college

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1934768&mesg_id=1934768

Just hit the e-Media moments ago. I check in at http://news.google.com/ regularly.

Aren't I on top of it? :rofl:

[sicksicksick_N_tired]

26. ??????

The google is about CHIPS.

?????

What are you talking about? :shrug:

[L. Coyote]

29. Google News refreshes every few. Follow the DU thread link

Clinton Floats Baby Bonds = $5000 would help children be able to afford college
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1934768&mesg_id=1934768

====================
Clinton Floats Baby Bonds
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2007/09/28/clinton_floats_baby_bonds.html

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton on Friday floated the idea of giving $5,000 to every newborn American child - suggesting that a "baby bond" would help children grow up to be able to afford college. ................

[The Wielding Truth]

33. Thanks, that makes more sense. I was going nuts.

Wow. That's like that gossip game I used to play in grade school.:crazy:

[L. Coyote]

34. With sanity restored, what is your opinion?

[The Wielding Truth]

36. What family wouldn't like to have money for their kids education?

If the country's budget in a post * war can afford it, I say it sounds like a good idea. $5000 invested over 18 years.
Isn't that something like those state programs that you invest in and it grows without taxes?

State Universities are sometimes free to residents so federal help could be used for non-state schools.

Hey, I'm certainly no authority. Just answering.:patriot:

[L. Coyote]

37. This idea is being floating on a 9 trillion dollar deficit.

As a crisis in entitlements looms. You have to wonder what this is really about.

[The Wielding Truth]

41. I think from what I read, she was rollin this around in1997,before*

I did say that we had to weigh in on the * factor now.

[Bill McBlueState]

39. which state universities are free to residents?

I'd seriously like to know. Most of them are around $10,000/yr now.

[The Wielding Truth]

43. There are programs for residents and special situations.

"A completely different breed of free-tuition program is available at state or community colleges. The aim is to develop the local economy by investing in a high-quality, homegrown workforce. For example, in the Twin Cities, a pilot program, the Power of You, is recruiting graduates of Minneapolis or St. Paul, Minn., high schools to attend nearby two-year colleges tuition free. The program, sponsored by local businesses, hopes to attract students who otherwise wouldn't attend college."

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/biztech/articles/060910/18free.htm

This just includes tuition in most cases. Living expenses and books would not be included.

"Similar statewide programs for scholarly students can be found in Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New Mexico, and West Virginia, while Indiana and Oklahoma have statewide free-tuition programs for families with financial need. Susan Dynarski, a public-policy professor at Harvard's Kennedy School of Government, found that these merit-based programs are even more effective than need-based programs in getting more students into college and steering them toward four-year schools. They also help spur more members of racial and ethnic minorities to go to college."

[deadmessengers]

2. Who's plan is this?

Haven't heard anything about it, actually. Unless you're referring to the share of our national debt that each child will inherit as they begin working and paying taxes.

[Squatch]

3. I wonder if he's referring to Clinton's idea to GIVE $5K to every baby born in the US

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[BlueJazz]

12. Git out in the Kitchen...wench...and make me some supper.

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[L. Coyote]

14. How about population bombers? Here's the Population Clock.

U.S. POPClock Projection
http://www.census.gov/population/www/popclockus.html

According to the U.S. Bureau of the Census, the resident population of the United States,
projected to 09/29/07 at 00:02 GMT (EST+5) is 302,997,305

COMPONENT SETTINGS FOR SEPTEMBER 2007

One birth every.................................. 7 seconds
One death every.................................. 13 seconds
One international migrant (net) every............ 26 seconds
Net gain of one person every..................... 10 seconds

[Trillo]

16. Do you know what the word "breeder" means?

From Random House Webster's Unabridged

breed·er n.
1. an animal, plant, or person that produces offspring or reproduces.
2. a person who raises animals or plants primarily for breeding purposes.
3. Also called breedÆer reacÅtor. Energy. a nuclear reactor in which more fissile material is produced than is consumed.

It's curious that a DUer uses a word that is an accurate description in a post, and then that accurate description is railed at as an "asshole description" by some other DUer. I guess accurate = asshole. So be it.

In a world that is overpopulated with between ten to five times too many people according to scientists, calls for people to have monetary incentives to 'not breed' are considered heresy by some.

If every woman limited herself, and could limit herself, to one child, then in 150 years, the world population would shrink to between one and two billion, or so I've read. Some scientists have stated that the natural world (without oil) can only support 1/2 billion. There's an interesting logical conclusion to shrinking the total world population as we enter the downward slope of Hubbard's Peak (oil).

In our economic system, there seems an inbuilt desire to always have markets expand, one way to do this is have more babies! Another is to hate the gays. Hate single people who must have something wrong with them if they don't want to breed. Hate people who point out the truth with such terms as "breeder"!

So having economic incentives towards those who do not "breed" and penalties applied to excessive childbearing makes logical sense. That way it can be done by choice instead of force.

Unfortunately, Hillary doesn't get it.

[L. Coyote]

17. At 25 years per generation, with one child per woman, here is the graph

2010 - 6 billion
2035 - 3 billion
2060 - 1.5 billion
2085 - 0.75 billion
2110 - 375 million

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[Megahurtz]

28. ROFL!!!!!!

:rofl:

Hahahahahaha!!!!:D

[Trillo]

31. Faster than I what I read, thanks! -- World Energy Production

Link to graph of World Energy Production:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=115&topic_id=114396&mesg_id=114406

It's interesting to correlate the years of your population stats against energy production.

[L. Coyote]

32. The energy production predictions are an imperative.

In case simple reason and good sense do not prevail, the forces of nature and limitations of the biosphere will.

[L. Coyote]

38. On DU, apparently this is considered a derogatory term. Another thread just got locked.

Who could have guessed such a simple word would be taboo on a "democratic" forum.

[Megahurtz]

25. Unfortunately

it will encourage some people to do just that, just for money. I have even known people that are Foster Parents just for the money. Yes, there are sickos out there that use Children just for money.

[montanacowboy]

4. We have long since past the point

of rewarding people for having children and giving them tax breaks; the popoulation bomb is the root of all evils facing our planet today; I chose to have one child and no more - I do believe that people should be taxed for having kids and that is probably an unpopular opinion, but remember

War Global Warming Poverty Loss of Resources Pollution Overcrowding is All the result of too many people on the planet and if we don't choose to limit our numbers you can be sure Nature will take care of it

[L. Coyote]

7. One child per woman equals halving the population every generation!

Women have the power to save the world!

[Bill McBlueState]

40. the tax breaks are for dependents

If you have someone in your house who is unable to work, you should get some tax relief.

[Vincardog]

8. Check with China for the impact of child control legislation. They Kill the girls.

[liberalmuse]

9. $166,000.

That's what each child owes when they are born into the U.S. That is their portion of Bush's national debt. The Republicans love feti, but would like to say "Fuck you!" to each and every American who's had the audacity to leave their mother's womb. Once you leave the womb, you're fair game to them.

[L. Coyote]

11. Debt Clock: each citizen's share of this debt is $29,607.43

The Outstanding Public Debt as of 28 Sep 2007 at 11:53:28 PM GMT is:
$ 8,974,368,055,775.44, approaching 9 trillion dollars!

The estimated population of the United States is 303,112,048
so each citizen's share of this debt is $29,607.43.

The National Debt has continued to increase an average of
$1.28 billion per day since September 29, 2006!
Concerned? Then tell Congress and the White House!

http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/

[Kelly Rupert]

13. I wholeheartedly endorse decreasing the number of workers while

the number of retirees increases with lengthening lifespans.

[emilyg]

18. What are u talking about????

[L. Coyote]

21. Radical ideas? Like taxing impact on the planet.

Candidate Clinton just offered an idea, put $5,000 in a fund for each child born, to pay for their college.

Here is a counter idea. Have the parents put $5,000 in the treasury on the same principle.
Instead of taxing everyone for each child, tax the parents! Anyway, it is just a question and an idea to discuss.

[CreekDog]

44. so have an abortion or get charged 5,000?

nice.

and that's not Hillary's plan, you are misleading for suggesting that it is.

[L. Coyote]

45. Plan your family and plan to pay for your children. Don't expect everyone else to pay up

$5000 every time someone has a child. That's akin to a religious welfare program for the propagation of the faithful who have large families.

And, read the post again if you think this thread suggest this is HRC's idea.

[CreekDog]

46. Nobody paid a tax to have you

Plus, as long as this is a democracy, your idea AIN'T happening.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

22. Why Don't You Make It $500,000.00

You can get a nice eugenics experiment going...

I'm sure you will figure it out...

[L. Coyote]

27. Survival of the financially fit ?? The larger issue is survival per se!

[Disturbed]

35. Does her plan include children of parents who are millionaires...

or Billionaires? Should they get that tax credit, as well?