Wow: On MSNBC now -Arctic ice is melting

[malaise]

New government report shows global warming shrinking polar ice cap.
A Rutgers academic presented a frank objective discussion.

Rubs eyes to see if I'm awake - thanks Al! :yourock:

sp.

[bdamomma]

1. I wish * and cheney were melting.

[lpbk2713]

2. Anyone who lives near the seashore might want to think about selling.

While there might be buyers still available. :eyes:

[Zywiec]

10. LOL

:rofl:

[woodsprite]

18. I think they're already doing that. There were TONS of

houses for sale down on the Outer Banks this summer. More than I ever remember seeing.

[SidDithers]

23. It's the Greenland and Anatarctica we really need to worry about...

arctic ice is already in the water, so if arctic ice melts, it won't have much of an affect on sea levels. Think about an ice cube in a glass - when the ice cube melts, the glass doesn't overflow.

However, the ice in Greenland and the Antarctic is on a land mass, out of the water. If those huge volumes of ice shift into the sea, then shorelines will be in significant danger. Think of it as adding ice cubes to an already full glass of water.

Scary stuff all around.

Sid

[malta blue]

3. Be sure you email John Stossel of ABC's 20/20

to let him know....

This Friday, his "Give Me A Break" piece reads something like this:


...Mr. Gore's movie is filled with misleading messages. It suggests polar bears are disappearing and that "sea levels worldwide would go up 20 feet." I interview children who are scared. They believe the polar bears are already going extinct and that the oceans will soon rise even higher than 20 feet, drowning them and their parents. But polar bear populations appear to be steady or increasing, and a 20 foot rise is a theoretical possibility that wouldn't happen for millennia. The IPCC, the group that shared last weeks Nobel Prize with the former vice president, says in 100 years the oceans might rise 7 to 24 inches, not 20 feet. Now a British judge has ruled that British schools must disclose to students nine inaccuracies in "An Inconvenient Truth" if they play the movie in class.

Mr. Gore suggests that we can stop global warming by doing things like changing light bulbs and driving less. Nonsense. The only practical thing we can do today that would make a difference in CO2 output is to launch a major shift toward nuclear energy. But the environmental movement rarely utters the word nuclear...

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Sorry I can't provide a link - this is from a release ...

[SpiralHawk]

8. Stossel is a homelander propagandist

will not be interested in any facts

he is a typical republicon homelander shill -- lacking in honor, providing a disservice to the American public

[hatrack]

4. Gosh, MSNBC sure is on top of THIS breaking news, huh?

:eyes:

[npincus]

5. was on NBC Nightly NEws yesterday... 23% ice cap melted SINCE 2005!!!

Holy shit. I can't stop thinking about it. I'm told it's going to 80 degrees here in NJ soon... it's f*cking October.

[Highway61]

6. Can ya believe it?

Just came back from Maine and we were peeling the layers off on the drive back...

[npincus]

9. the absence of serious discussion in the MSM

and continued politicization of this coming catatastrophe is about as disturbing as everything else going wrong with this country.

What effect will the dramatic shift in temperature, rainfall (unprecednted droughts in some regions, unprecedented rainfall in others) have on our agriculture? Water supply? It's coming fast, and it's very real. And what did Britney Spears do today?

[Highway61]

12. We already have

towns sueing each other in the Carolinas over water....we may not be around to see it ...but there WILL be wars over water NOT oil.

[npincus]

13. got a link?

I'd be happy to start a thread.

[malaise]

17. The UNDP Human Development Report for 2006 has a major discussion on the topic

This was carried in the WP last month

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=2076106&mesg_id=2076334
Someone should tell Dr Gray :shrug:

Here's the MSNBC link
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21347288/

[Highway61]

19. here ya go

http://www.wistv.com/Global/story.asp?S=6626064

and another...http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2000/06/22/white_river000622.html

[Highway61]

20. two more

http://www.scotusblog.com/wp/uncategorized/south-carolina-sues-in-supreme-court-over-water/

http://www.thestate.com/156/story/89817.html

[malaise]

21. Link to the UNDP report and the global water crisis

http://www.emwis.net/documents/database/sdc743162

[tom_paine]

22. Why can't we have BOTH? You're not thinking big enough!

[malaise]

14. Correct

Mika is repeating the report details now.

[SpiralHawk]

7. "Time for more vacation - smirk, smirk, smirk" - Commander AWOL

"I mean, I don't see no way for me and my republicon homelander cronies to make a profit off this warming shit, so screw it,,,I'm headed off to the Imperial Pig Farm Upon Crawford to count up my massive war & oil profits, like a good little republicon homelander - smirk, smirk, smirk"

- Commander AWOL

[slackmaster]

11. Melting in mid-October?

They're a little slow on the uptake.

[Ilsa]

15. 'Warm wind' hits Arctic climate

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7050132.stm

'Warm wind' hits Arctic climate

The Arctic is being hit by melting ice, hotter air and dying wildlife, according to a US government report on the impact of global warming there.

A new wind circulation pattern is blowing more warm air towards the North Pole than in the 20th Century, scientists found.

Shrubs are now growing in tundra areas while caribou herds are dwindling in Canada and parts of Alaska.

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The US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) report found that in 2007 winter and spring temperatures were "all above average throughout the whole Arctic and all at the same time" unlike in previous years.
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[Stephanie]

16. they said it's shrunk 23% in two years

I had to turn it off, I get too terrified.