Elizabeth Kucinich: My Husband Would "Absolutely" Consider Running With Ron Paul

[trumad]

Dingbat.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/11/23/elizabeth-kucinich-my-hu_n_73905.html

[bigscott]

1. wow

I would go from a supported to an opposer.

Ron paul is a freak - a very dangerous freak

[liberalnurse]

19. That's definitely a sign

that Ohio needs a new Democratic Candidate for his seat. Time for him to get a real job.

[MADem]

40. He has a primary opponent. Her ads are a scream. Nor just "OK"--REALLY good!!

She's trying to get Dennis to debate her, and he refuses--he's afraid, I think. He's probably lost the bubble on local issues. She is very organized; of course, it's difficult if not impossible to oust an incumbent, but ya never know. Maybe a woman who lost a kid in this war, who is a Democrat, might appeal. Here's her website: http://www.rosemarypalmerforcongress.com/

She quotes CQ at her website (I would too, if I were getting this kind of press):

There are five Democratic incumbents facing serious primary challenges...Rep. Dennis J. Kucinich, D-Ohio, who is making his second longshot presidential bid, faces a contest closer to home in the 10th District, which encompasses west side Cleveland and its suburbs...Challenger Rosemary Palmer says Kucinich has missed too many important votes in his quixotic bid for the White House effort..."

It sure can't be because of his "heavy" presidential schedule. All he does is go to Ani Di=eFranco concerts (three of them in NOV alone)--he's not even IN the early battleground states most of the time. And his schedule is like swiss cheese--he goes for days at a time without ANY engagements.

Of course he's not serious--if he were, he wouldn't be jetting off to Syria on the contributions of his acolytes.

[mmonk]

46. You just guaranteed a vote to him from me.

[MADem]

49. Well, good for you, that you base your vote on a single post from a complete

stranger on DU!!!

That's the way to exercise your franchise!!

Yee haw! Pat yourself on the back, now!

[mmonk]

57. You may end up being the first person I've ever put on ignore.

So no, you pat yourself on the back. You're not really someone I could debate and hold it together.

[mmonk]

60. On second thought, I'll take that back about putting you

on ignore. It's all too silly to begin with. But remember, people can turn people off of candidates.

[MADem]

68. Oh, go on--go with your first instinct! My feelings won't be hurt. Really.

I don't have much in common with someone who gets all bent out of shape and personally "affronted" because someone DARES to post information about an intelligent, vital, interested, sensible, and valid Democratic candidate, an antiwar activist/gold star mother who "dares" to run against the DK God because she cares about the fucking district that she lives in, and feels, after supporting DK for many years, that he's gotten a bit too big for his britches.

And someone who is compelled to change their vote based on that posting alone, which imparts little more than the knowledge that someone is exercising their democratic perogative--well, like I said--no common ground.

None whatsoever.

[liberalnurse]

47. I like it!

He just is not focused at all on Ohio....only his personal choice issues. I rarely, ever see him at any of the State Dinners. I go to many of them too! The last one I actually saw him at an event, besides PDA was in 03, when Howard Dean was there as was Jerry Springer for the Annual State Dinner.

[MADem]

50. She is an antiwar activist, lost a son in the war, and used to be a DK supporter.

She is quite engaging, has a good resume, and is by no means stupid.

It'll be a steep uphill climb for her, though--but you never know, sometimes.

[tekisui]

53. I think Kucinich uses the Presidential Primary Season

as a platform to speak truth and force the other candidates to a higher level. Also to show America that not everyone in DC is a corporatist.

He knows as well as you do his chances of winning. It's not always about winning. He brings a lot to the table, as well as a lot of voters to the party.

That being said, I would hate to lose his voice in Congress, and I don't think he will lose, but he should debate her and give the people of Cleveland a reason to stick with him.

[MADem]

54. He oughta use it to reconnect with his district. He should debate his opponent.

If she gets any dough and can buy masses of TV time, he just might have a problem.

If this woman won, I personally think she'd be a powerful voice in Congress. She's an antiwar activist, a mother who lost a child in war, and she's not without a resume. No one can tell her that she doesn't have a clue how it feels.

[MADem]

2. He'd probably stand on his head nekkid and spit wooden nickels if she told him to! nt

[lynnertic]

35. like you wouldn't!

[debbierlus]

37. Yeah - if you think a woman is sexually hot you will do anything for her

There is a saying for that.....the second word is whipped.

[cali]

3. my guess is she's speaking out of turn.

that said, I hope dennis shoots down that statement pronto. It does him no good whatsoever to have that hanging out there.

[OzarkDem]

39. Agree, Dennis has always been a very loyal Democrat

He works well in bipartisan fashion in Congress to get bills passed, but he is a staunch party man.

[Mutineer]

4. It doesn't matter what Kucinich or his wife says

Dennis has a snow ball's chance in hell of getting past Iowa and NH.

[blogslut]

5. Did anyone watch the video?

To me it seemed she was being more diplomatic than absolute. She went on to tout bipartisan politics.

[trumad]

6. Oh please...

"Absolutely" is the word she used---and she said it emphatically.

She obviously hasn't done her homework on the guy or she would have never said it.

[blogslut]

7. "Absolutely consider"

That is not an affirmative yes or no response. It's no different than when your mom or dad used to say "We'll see".

[trumad]

8. "To consideration, Absolutely".... those were her exact words.

Why would he even consider something like this?

[CJCRANE]

9. I agree.

It's just a polite turn of phrase.

[trumad]

10. Except that wasn't the turn of phrase,

[liberalnurse]

25. Exactly

There is no way out of this one. The sad part of the situation is that Kucinich has garnered true national credit with America up until this fall down the elevator shaft .

[Ghost in the Machine]

44. I don't get it.... Al Gore says "I have NO PLANS on being a candidate..."

and everyone says "Al Gore is running!!"

Dennis Kucinich's wife says "He'd consider it, absolutely".. and people will now say "Oh he SAID he would do it"???..

It's amazing that people aren't falling over everywhere, because that's a real stretch to get to what they're trying to reach...

Like someone said upthread... it's the same as a parent telling a kid "we'll see"...

[MonkeyFunk]

28. Sadly

she evidently HAS done her research on him. She spoke about his positions on a number of issues, and how they differ on some economic policies.

She knows Ron Paul's positions.

[MethuenProgressive]

11. Kucinich moves in front of Obama on my list!!

Richardson, Clinton, Biden, Dodd, Edwards, Gravel, Kucinich, Obama.
In that order.

[TahitiNut]

12. I guess it's only other candidates who make decisions without thinking, huh?

con·sid·er
v. con·sid·ered, con·sid·er·ing, con·sid·ers

v. tr.

1. To think carefully about.
2. To think or deem to be; regard as.
3. To form an opinion about; judge: considers waste to be criminal.
4. To take into account; bear in mind: Her success is not surprising if you consider her excellent training.
5. To show consideration for: failed to consider the feelings of others.
6. To esteem; regard.
7. To look at thoughtfully.


Perhaps Elizabeth is more familiar with the English language than some???

[DemBones DemBones]

13. I agree that Elizabeth speaks English with precision.

After years of gee-dubya, perhaps people can't understand precise English.

"As to consideration -- absolutely" means "Will he think about it? Sure." The unsaid subtext could well have been "For about two seconds."

[NoPasaran]

16. She could have been just a little bit more precise

And said "No".

[LeftishBrit]

21. Should someone 'think carefully' about jumping off a cliff?

There are some decisions you don't need to think about. Like I don't have to 'consider' whether I'd vote for the BNP or some hard-right Tory - I automatically wouldn't!

ETA: I'm beginning to think that maybe Ron Paul, together with Bush and Cheney, *should* think carefully about jumping off a cliff!

[TahitiNut]

26. Ask Butch and Sundance.

:eyes:

[Blackhatjack]

14. Kucinich and Paul can run, anyone can who pays the filing fees and signs their names...

....but WHY?

Other than stopping the war in Iraq and a general agreement on restoring constitutional government in the US, they disagree on more than they agree upon.

Paul's libertarian political philosophy which includes dismantling major portions of the New Deal Governmental Reforms clashes with Kucinich's political philosophy of providing a major role for govern to play in addressing the needs of the people.

[RestoreGore]

15. Well, if true, that narrows it down

[LeftishBrit]

17. I hope it's just that his wife is ignorant..

(and after all she's not running). But if he really would consider it, that really would be HORRIBLY disappointing.

[flvegan]

18. Forget it.

Deleted. Logic sometimes doesn't work around here.

[LeftishBrit]

20. He's also an economic hard-right libertarian who opposes ANY government welfare...

and basically wants to go back to the time before FDR, if not earlier. He is HORRIBLY right-wing - have you seen his speech "A Republic if You Can Keep It" on his own website.

He is opposed to the war for isolationist reasons, just like the BNP or LePen or Pat Buchanan. He's not humanitarian. The thought of him getting into power in the world is just horrifying!!!!!

[flvegan]

22. I agree, it is horrifying.

I'm simply suggesting the whys as to the answer given by Elizabeth K.

[sarcasmo]

38. Government Welfare does need a lot of reform, come to Michigan and you will find that out.

[LeftishBrit]

45. I HOPE you don't believe in abolishing government welfare altogether?

Because he does. Not reforming it. Abolishing it.

I've not been to Michigan, but I saw the disastrous effects of what Maggie did to our welfare state and public services - and that wasn't anywhere NEAR what Ron Paul is recommending.

And he can't even be called consistently laissez-faire libertarian, as then he would support choice for women and not go in for all this social conservativism.

Pure evil IMO.

[cali]

24. he does not support the constitution. he supports

some frozen in 1789 version of it- and that is NOT what the founders envisioned.'

he's worse than all of the dem candidates by leaps and bounds. For fuck's sake, the guy wants to destroy OSHA and the EPA, lower corporate taxes, and dismantle the safety social network.

Anyone who professes to be progressive or liberal and supports ron paul over any of the dem candidates, is no such thing.

[flvegan]

27. Never said

I supported him over any of the dems.

Fact is, as some are just too fucking blind to see, we have dems that are far from liberal and far from progressive, yet that tired line about not being this or that gets tossed about like it's true.

[cali]

30. no. you just said he was better than

several of the leading dems. then you deleted it. that's fairly disingenuous.

[flvegan]

31. As far as

a couple of items pertaining to the Constitution, he is.

I deleted it because I'm not going to try to beat logic into folks around here at this point in our electoral cycle. It's not disingenuous, I'm just not locked into the hometeam mindthink.

[LeftishBrit]

33. I'm not in any 'hometeam mindthink'

I am not a blindly partisan supporter of Democrats. I'm not a partisan in my own country - I haven't voted for either of my country's two main parties in 15 years. I've voted for three parties in my time (Labour, LibDem mostly, Green); have never voted Tory; but prefer some Tories to our worst Labourites such as John fucking Reid and David Blunkett.

I'm just a foreigner who thinks that the world would be better off if America did *not* have a far-right government, as it does now, and would under Ron Paul; and an optimist who thinks this change will happen!

[mmonk]

61. You nailed it.

Especially in this thread.

[cgrindley]

23. What a dingbat

that's a damn dumb thing to say.

[Twist_U_Up]

29. Well at least they agree on something

Re-opening the 911 Investigation and various treasonous offenses.
I mean just look at all the unanswered questions.

The Bush connection to the bin Laden family.

- Escorting dozens of members of the bin Laden family out of US after 9/11

- The Patriot Act having been written decades before 9/11

- The call for a ‘new Pearl Harbor’ by the neocons who orchestrated the wars

- A totally invalid and false connection between Iraq and the ‘War on Terror

- Regular, politically timed terror alerts

- Toxic air quality at Ground Zero after 9/11

- The ‘junk science’ of Global Warming and its effects around the globe

- WH orders to suppress and politicize reports on by the Surgeon General

- Plans for wars with Iraq and Afghanistan that were made before 9/11

- Saddam Hussein’s possession of WMD

- Saddam Hussein’s connection to Al Qaeda

- Saddam Hussein’s involvement in 9/11

- Saddam Hussein’s threat to the US or his neighbors

- Having NO plans for an extended occupation of Iraq or for keeping the peace

- Inadequate armor and supplies for our men and women in uniform

- Supposed ‘progress’ in Iraq, time after time

- Fudged numbers of civilian deaths in Afghanistan and Iraq

- The staged ‘toppling’ of Saddam’s statue

- The staged rescue of Jessica Lynch

- The lies about Pat Tillman’s death by friendly fire

- Illegal warrantless spying on US citizens

- Torture at Abu Ghraib and other prisons in Iraq and Afghanistan

- Rendition of detainees to other countries for torture

- Outing Valerie Plame as a CIA operative

- White House involvement in the firing of federal prosecutors…

There are so many more lies to list, but I think you get the idea.

[Froward69]

32. I still agree with Biden

The only thing I like about Dennis is his Wife.

[Alexander]

43. The only thing I like about Biden are his hair plugs...

On second thought, even his hair plugs are shitty.

[Froward69]

52. yeah too much

testosterone, for ya?

[Alexander]

55. You mean, too much blatant macho posturing? Absolutely.

Strange how people - especially male politicians - who never served or fought always feel the need to prove how tough they are.

Biden is a good example. Thankfully his chances are somewhere between slim and none.

[Froward69]

65. Look at your own

Icon... ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ you simply do not like someone who has some self respect. Unlike Ancient Rome one does not need to serve to be a respected, productive citizen. and everyone gets an opinion. everyone knows the payoff is bigger with the long shot. we have tangled before. no need to go there. i think it is funny how other politicians feel the need to be perceived as tough. when Your attack is obviously about his strengths and threat to your $$$norm.$$$

[Horse with no Name]

34. Wow.

Definitely very scary and a very poor choice.

[Orsino]

36. I guess I've got to withdraw my support for her...

...and hope her husband will run instead.

[Eric J in MN]

63. Me too. From now, I'm only donating to Dennis Kucinich's campaign...

...and not his wife's campaign.

[sniffa]

41. i appreciate your constant bravery

whether it's attacking a DUer's wife, or a democratic presidential candidate's wife.

:thumbsup:

[Alexander]

42. Didn't Brian Schweitzer also say he'd "consider" voting for Republicans in 2008?

I think there was a qualifier, like if there was a unity ticket or Arnie got the nomination or something.

Any DUers remember this?

[Danger Mouse]

48. Well, keep in mind his WIFE said it, not HIM.

He'd have to be crazy do such a thing. Crazy or stupid.

[Karenina]

51. Trial balloonism.

[Danger Mouse]

62. I love Dennis...but if he agrees with Elizabeth on this...I'm afraid my opinion of him...

will be significantly affected for this worse.
Ron Paul is no friend to progressives. Or anyone.

[Solar_Power]

56. I think we'd be out of Iraq in 1 day

if those two won

[Karenina]

58. Mrs Kucinich,

If you and your husband feel that hooking up with this racist, sexist scumbag is IN ANY WAY appropriate, I hereby give up any hope in the promise I believed Dennis' candidacy stood for.

[magellan]

59. She doesn't sound overly familiar with the full Libertarian platform

Many liberals aren't, which has been discussed elsewhere. They appreciate Paul speaking truth to power about Iraq and government accountability and stop there, never realizing that on many critical issues, Libertarians are the polar opposites of progressives.

For that reason alone others in the Kucinich camp would quash this idea. Not to mention Paul would never accept, even if the ridiculous offer were made. VPs have little appreciable power (notwithstanding the current puppet show); Paul would never settle for running as second string to a true progressive, facing what will likely be an even stronger Democratically-controlled Congress.

I give EK a pass on this.

[treestar]

64. You're absolutely right

It would never happen, so what EK says about it is irrelevant anyhow.

There are some of those who would vote for RP that might consider voting for DK - there is some common ground. It may help that their first choice is not insulted.

[bluesmail]

66. I thought it was Elizabeth Edwards who said that

[Blackhatjack]

67. Now where would you get an idea like that? She is exceedingly smart.

Both John and Elizabeth Edwards know exactly what they believe and it is not in a Libertarian platform that would dismantle Government playing any kind of role in the lives of people in favor of privatization.

You must know little about her.

[bluesmail]

70. misread a post about it

I'm of the mind that they're not letting go of the power that has been amassed for them whether or not that means another terror attack.

[Kucinich4America]

69. Dennis Kucinich is not going to run with Ron Paul.

I would much rather see him run against Ron Paul in the general election. That way, REAL issues could be debated, at least. And Dennis would win in a huge landslide.

[mdmc]

71. VISIONARY!

:kick:

[mdmc]

72. kick