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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 07:17 PM
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'Vermonters help ease life on the outside' - Would you do this?
Vermonters help ease life on the outside

http://www.boston.com/news/local/vermont/articles/2007/11/24/vermonters_help_ease_life_on_the_outside/

Towns trying to keep ex-cons on right path

By Jenna Russell
Globe Staff / November 24, 2007



At a dinner in a church basement this month in Barre, Vt., support teams and
former inmates, including Steve Gibson (gesturing), enjoyed a communal dinner.
(Essdras M Suarez/Globe staff)


BARRE, Vt. -

Vermont corrections officials are trying a radical new strategy to reintegrate the state's worst offenders into society: Team them up with groups of students, parents, businesspeople, and retirees in the towns they return to after prison, and let these surrogate families and friends show them how they can fit in again.

Modeling their efforts on a successful Canadian program, towns across Vermont are matching felons who have served time in prison for sexually abusing children, beating up family members, dealing drugs, and other offenses with artists, barbers, lawyers, teachers, and retirees. The volunteers help the returning offenders find jobs and apartments, give them rides and advice, and socialize with them. The idea, which is backed by studies of the Canadian program, is that former inmates who feel connected to the places where they live are less likely to break laws again.

The Vermont Department of Corrections is one of the first in the United States to embrace the approach, using a three-year $2 million federal grant it received in 2003, said Derek Miodownik, the grant manager.

Support teams, called "circles of support and accountability," meet weekly to check on former prisoners in Newport, St. Johnsbury, Barre, Montpelier, and Brattleboro. Each offender works with a small team of volunteers, who begin meeting with the offender before he or she leaves prison. The teams are supervised by local community justice centers, state-funded agencies that work with crime victims and offenders. Paid coordinators, who are employed by the centers, lead the groups and help make sure offenders stay on track. The offenders have been released from prison under state supervision; all have counselors or probation officers who also keep tabs on them.

To make them feel part of the team, the volunteers refer to the offenders as "core members." The teams discuss the effects of the crimes the offenders committed on their victims and the community.

Eric Horowitz, 45, of Brattleboro, said he would probably be back in prison if not for his four team members. They have taken him bowling, to restaurants, and on walks, said Horowitz, who served six years for lewd and lascivious conduct with a minor and aggravated domestic assault.

When he saw that the members of his team did not condemn him, "it was a great surprise to me," he said. He said the group has boosted his self-esteem and taught him an important lesson: "When you do something to society, it loses trust in you, and you have to rebuild that trust."

The fate of the Vermont project is uncertain. The federal grant funding will run out at the end of the year, and legislation that would provide more money remains tied up in Congress, said Miodownik. The grant money pays the salaries of the group coordinators.

Continued...


It sounds like a good idea to help them reintegrate into society but I'd be a 'little' nervous.
Wouldn't you?


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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 07:22 PM
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1. A little nervous, sure.
But I'd be MORE nervous if they were left out in the cold with NO SUPPORT SYSTEM, and NO WELCOMING ARMS as incentive.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 07:27 PM
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3. They usually have parole officers looking after them but
Edited on Sat Nov-24-07 07:27 PM by Breeze54
I'd be worried they'd know where I lived or find it out and come knocking. :scared:

I agree that they do need a support system but I hope they're getting counseling too.

Especially the pedophiles and the violent offenders.
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PetrusMonsFormicarum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 07:25 PM
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2. Maybe helpful
in reintegration, which would be a hallmark of a healthy society if it could be accomplished. As insurance, though, I'd have to ask for a "two strikes" policy on violent crimes.

Free up jail beds by paroling non-violent offenders.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 07:30 PM
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5. I defiantely think the non-violent offenders should be
released and would probably benefit from a program like this but I'm not so
sure about the one's who committed violent crimes, especially on children.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 07:29 PM
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4. Done it many many times
I've never been hurt by an ex-con. I have been hurt by current christians.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 07:31 PM
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6. How have you done this many times? It's the first program
of this kind in the US. Are you in Canada? :shrug:
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 07:35 PM
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7. It's not the first of its kind
It's what treatment centers used to do on a regular basis. As have half-way house volunteers, AA members, etc etc. Maybe it's the first time somebody filed non-profit status for being a decent human being.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 07:38 PM
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8. This particular program is a first, according to:
Edited on Sat Nov-24-07 07:40 PM by Breeze54
'The Vermont Department of Corrections is one of the first in the United States to embrace the approach,
using a three-year $2 million federal grant it received in 2003, said Derek Miodownik, the grant manager."


This is not halfway houses and AA.
It's small groups of people in each town that are in the program.
Regular citizens, not criminal justice professionals.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 07:42 PM
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9. Yeah, the first to get millions of dollars
and file as a non-profit.

NOT the first to socialize and assist ex-cons by hooking them up with various members of the community. It was called common sense 20 years ago. Now somebody's selling their "program" to non-profits all across the country and will make millions in the process.

If I thought to turn every act of human decency into a "program", I'd be rich too.

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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 07:50 PM
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11. The Vermont Department of Corrections is a non-profit?
Edited on Sat Nov-24-07 07:57 PM by Breeze54
:shrug:

Why doesn't your group file a grant request?

I don't have any problem with them having a grant to get this program going.
Vermont isn't exactly a rich state, as in jobs and I'm sure this money is
helping put people to work, as well as helping the ex-cons.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 08:02 PM
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13. The sub-contractors
who know how to stick their noses up the right asses to get the money from the Vermont Dept of Corrections. Somebody brought this program to them, they generally don't just concoct new programs out of thin air.

I'm glad people are getting help transitioning. You asked "would you do this". I said I had, many many times and there was nothing to be nervous about. It was intended to encourage others. Instead, you proved my point about current christians by being a bigger jerk than any ex-con ever was.


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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 08:11 PM
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15. You're a jerk for calling me a jerk and a christian!
Edited on Sat Nov-24-07 08:14 PM by Breeze54
You do not know if I am a Christian or not, asshat!

And I'm a jerk for asking a question?

I hope you AREN'T working with ANY people with an attitude like that!

I've worked in Criminal Justice... in PAROLE too and with incarcerated juvenile boys!

Why are you so nasty?

Yes, I asked if everyday citizens would join up with one of these groups and do this!!

You are experienced and I'm assuming a professional!

You stated you've been doing this for years and years!

I was asking the average Jack or Jill if they would participate in a group like this.

Tough Luck if you don't like it. :grr:
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 08:44 PM
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17. Look
I'm nasty when people accuse me of lying. But even at that, I tried to point your attention to the thousands of voluntees who have been helping intigrate ex-cons for decades. If you've worked in parole, I'd think you'd have your own list of everyday citizens that you called on to assist you in various circumstances. It's a damn crime that millions of dollars are being spent doing what many good parole officers and counselors have considered their job.

Tough Luck if you don't like that.

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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 09:16 PM
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19. I didn't accuse you of lying at all!
I was asking you a question. Not questioning your credibility at all! You'd really should knock that chip off your shoulder! I don't think it's a damn crime that a few million, over 4 years, (not that much in the grand scheme of things) is spent on a program like this at all and I would think you'd welcome the extra help. Last I checked, parole officers were swamped and over worked and probably under paid too. I trained as a PO but I worked in a Juv. Det. Center. It wasn't my cup of tea but it was OK for a while.
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AlertLurker Donating Member (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 07:47 PM
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10. I do it ALL THE TIME.
Then again, they're my nephews.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 07:51 PM
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12. That's not quite the same.
Glad you're supporting them though.
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AlertLurker Donating Member (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 08:09 PM
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14. When one of my brothers died we took his son in.
He lived with us for two years until he went to college, and turned out to be a pretty decent kid.

The other two, though...hoo boy!
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 08:16 PM
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16. I'm sure that must have been difficult.
Sorry about your brother. :(

You are a good person to raise his sons. :hug:

Glad to hear he went on to college and is a happy person now.

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Joe Fields Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 08:53 PM
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18. Sounds like a much larger support structure for parolees, than
most have ever gotten before. Looks like a wonderful program. Hope it turns into the type of model that could be adopted nationwide.

And to answer your question, yes, I would participate in such a program.
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benddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 09:26 PM
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20. I already do
we have ex cons living in our transitional house. They are great guys, I love them.
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