Is the conspiracy that is the bush/cheney administration bigger than the US Courts

[madokie]

[seemslikeadream]

1. ABSOLUTELY

[madokie]

4. I was sure hoping I wouldn't see that answer even though I knew full well I prolly would

I have a problem though with the idea that these criminals are bigger than life, that our constitution is inadequate.
nothing personal with you or anyone else who disagrees with me OK

[seemslikeadream]

8. Oh maybe I misunderstood you

I thought at first you meant what they did with the courts, not that the courts could fix the problem but then again I believe it is the Senate and House that need to fix the problem, none of the presidential candidates are addressing that, regrettably

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=2343631&mesg_id=2343631

[madokie]

10. except of course Dennis Kucinich

well at least he is talking about impeachment

[grasswire]

2. Bush v. Gore

I rest my case.

[L. Coyote]

3. DID the conspiracy that is the Bushco Junta begin in the US Courts, 5-4??

Without the SCOTUS 5-4 Bush vs. Gore decision, Florida would have counted the votes and President Gore would have won the Nobel sooner!

The Junta was installed by five Supreme Court justices.

[madokie]

5. yes you are correct which in some ways points out the fact this is a conspiracy

or what I think is a fact

[L. Coyote]

11. Do football teams "conspire" to win the game? NO. Team players don't need to!!

[leftofthedial]

6. yup

[BlueJac]

7. A long time plan........

They got all the ducks in a row then went for it. Meanwhile the Dems slept peacefully through the entire take over, and continue to take little naps as Bush Co continues it's assault on the American middle class and the constitution!


I can't tell the players apart at this time, lots of Dems seem to be on board with the take over or they would grow a set!

[madokie]

9. thats the way I see it too

its seems our congress critters have us up the ole proverbial shit creek without a paddle for sure.

[Frustratedlady]

12. The situation we find ourselves in, today, is no different than The Kid found himself

as a child. His parents enabled him by ignoring, excusing or laughing at his stunts as a child, young man and inept adult. Only when he became a drunk did they pay attention and admit there was a problem. What did they do? They turned away from him.

The courts have done the same and are still excusing him. Only when he is drunk with power and declares martial law will they see the error of their ways.

[madokie]

13. a good analogy

;-)

[frogcycle]

14. it is much bigger and much older that bush/cheney

I have written this many times and won't repeat it all here, but the fundamental divide between the concept of a government "of the people" and an oligarchy goes back to long before the American Revolution. There have been a succession of battles, an ebb-and-flow of the actual implementation of the concept laid out in the Constitution. In the mid-fifties the oligarchs realized that they needed to subvert the entire system, because those pesky concepts like "checks and balances" and "congressional oversight" kept getting in the way. Eisenhower saw what was coming and warned of it in his last address as President.

A coordinated multi-decade effort ensued, including acquiring all the major news media, "dumbing down" education to de-emphasize critical thinking, deregulation of most industries, penetrating the election process (eg, Diebold), etc to create what some of the Founders like Hamilton wanted all along - an updated version of medieval feudalism, in which the big business tycoons are the "nobility" and the rest of us are the serfs.

They might as well have used Orwell's "1984" as a blueprint. They aren't quite there, but well on their way. A state of perpetual war is part of the formula. Keeps cash flowing, keeps people afraid, keeps the serfs in line.

McCarthyism was in the 50's what the so-called terrorist witch hunt is today. Sure, there were Communists, and they wanted to bury us. And sure, there are terrorists and they want to harm us and our way of life. But in neither case is re-invoking the Alien and Sedition Act (an early-19th century version of the exact same thing, for the same reasons) justified.

Cheney is one of the true believers, along with the rest of the PNAC and its supporters. Bush is just a patsy.

The Constitution provides NO REMEDY. Impeachment is pointless - it would just be whack-a-mole. Once the SCOTUS, the Federal Courts, and the Congress have been taken over, we live in a world like the movie "Invasion of the Body Snatchers." The checks and balances don't work, because, like in the movie when you call on the authorities because you discover your neighbor is a "pod person", but the cop is a pod person too, the Constitution has been usurped.

To fix it would require drastic means that go outside what is defined in the Constitution.

It COULD be that a popular movement of enlightened people could use the system to fix the system - that is, elect their own people, clean house (and senate), and start once again abiding by the Constitution. But that is a real long shot. As long as only a few humans are elected every two years, they turn into pod people before more can be sent to join them.

[ellenfl]

15. imo, much of the us judicial system is part of the conspiracy. eom

[madokie]

16. I think so too

to pull out of this we sure have some work to do don't we. for our future generations we must though

[Bitwit1234]

17. I don't understand just WHO IS SUPPOSED to be investigating all this

I know Leahy and Waxman issue a subpoena now and then and call for people to testify once in a while, but who is looking at the big picture I'd like to know.

[madokie]

18. An as yet unnamed special prosecutor would be a good start

[frogcycle]

19. that's the issue

the big picture is too big. It is like trying to fight a forest fire when it has you surrounded.

There is no "higher authority" left. Our government is based on the Constitution, and a balance of power, with ultimate authority residing with the public. That requires an informed, concerned electorate. Our electorate has been lulled into thinking yet another "breakthrough" in that damned case in Aruba is big news. We have 300 million people who actually hold the cards - THEY are the 'higher authority' - but they don't give a crap. They don't understand that the train is off the rails and the US Government will be a train wreck within another couple of years. Perhaps when the current illegal occupant suspends the Constitution and declares martial law some of them will wake up.