Background checks at gun shows are a problem, but

[Ravy]

doing them as a hurricane is beating down on you is a snap.

Idiots.

[jody]

1. Please explain your rant and give source for problem with NICS at gun shows. n/t

[Ravy]

3. Links here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_show

http://www.tylerpaper.com/article/20071215/NEWS03/71215007

[jody]

7. I read "Background Checks For Evacuees Required" but I didn't see link to NICS. What is your point?

[Ravy]

10. My point is that they complain about the burden of doing a background

check at a place like a gun show, but have no problem doing it while people are crowded around to get out of town before a storm kills them.

I think the latter is the ridiculous item.

[jody]

12. Please define "they" in your "they complain about the burden of doing a background check". n/t

[Wcross]

13. Seems like that might delay evacuation.

In my opinion it isn't a good use of resources in an emergency. As far as gun shows, the only people not required to do a background check are private sellers. These people are just as able to sell the firearm in a newspaper classified ad.

[Hangingon]

26. The evacuation check has to do with keeping sex offenders

away from children and the elderly - not firearms transfers.

[Ravy]

28. Perhaps it has to do with people not wanting sex offenders

to get on a bus at all when a hurricane is coming.

If there was a police background check done with everyone who voted, we would be up in arms about keeping people from their right to vote. But when it comes to their right to live...

[slackmaster]

2. Eh?

:popcorn:

[Wcross]

4. Could you explain the statement?

:wtf:

[Ravy]

5. Sure.

Texas is proposing the the requirement of a background check before boarding evacuation busses in the event of an emergency.

However, background checks are too "burdensome" to do before buying a gun at a gun show.

Just seems odd to me.

[Squatch]

6. Dealers selling firearms at a gun show are REQUIRED to perform background checks.

[jody]

9. You know of course that NICS checks are required before buying a firearm at a gun show.

Have you overdosed on Scary Brady Bunch Drivel?

[Ravy]

11. Only licensed dealers.

I am not saying that I have a problem with the gun show, although many do for individual-to-individual sales. I have a problem with them doing it before saving your life in a hurricane.

[jody]

14. IMO using the ill defined "gun show loophole" as a straw-man re checks for evacuees is unnecessary.

Why not just present your argument against a check for evacuees? :shrug:

[Ravy]

22. I agree. It was not an effective OP... I was trying to point out the

change in the argument.

Live and learn.

[jody]

25. I support you in opposing a background check for evacuees. n/t

[brentspeak]

18. Are UNlicensed gun dealers required to conduct NICS checks at all gun shows?

Yes or no?

[jody]

19. An UNlicensed gun dealer commits a felony under 18 USC 922.

18 USC 922

(a) It shall be unlawful—
(1) for any person—
(A) except a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer, to engage in the business of importing, manufacturing, or dealing in firearms, or in the course of such business to ship, transport, or receive any firearm in interstate or foreign commerce; or

[aikoaiko]

24. UNlicensed gun dealers are required to go to jail.

Maybe you meant United Nations licensed dealers. ;)

[Ravy]

8. BTW, further explaination....

I think it is the evacuation background checks that are ridiculous. Gun shows are mostly individual-to-individual sales so a background check is not really a "loophole". I am not saying it should not be discussed, but the argument of it being so burdensome really flies in the face of wanting to do it during a hurricane evacuation.

[jmg257]

17. Where do you get the info that gun shows are mostly "individual to individual"?

Any I have been to are SUBSTANTIALLY tabled by dealers.

[5446]

23. Oh?

Gun shows are mostly individual-to-individual sales

How many gun shows have you physically been to?

The bulk of gun show sales are performed by lisenced dealers at tables leased out by the organizer. Yes, you can offer to buy a firearm from a regular person walking around, however this is not the most common way of things happening.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

15. Background checks in a hurricane?

There's a plan that won't survive an hour.

Once the bus boarding process is stalled due to computer problems or backlog, NG or local police will just start jamming people onto available buses.

I'd guess that any convicted child molester on the bus will be on best behavior. Fear of swift summary justice should inhibit any real problem.

As for checks at gun shows, licensed dealers have to get the checks done now, no change needed. Private sales between two citizens of a state are not subject to checks, whether at a gun show, a kitchen, or a police station. That's a federal reg. State law may impose other restrictions.

[Ravy]

21. I am not complaining about gun shows...

it is just the excuse that they used for so long, the burden of doing it, seems to have been overcome to the point that they can do it as you are trying to get on a bus to save your life.

Or, perhaps, if you *know* that you will be stopped by a background check, you won't make an attempt to get on a bus at all....

[Heidi]

16. Does no one see

that the background-check-before-evacuation deal may very well be another attempt to feed the prison industrial complex? It's a serpent eating its own tail, folks.

[Ravy]

20. Yes, one could wonder where the bus that contains offenders go...

or if they will be "lost in the storm".

The potential is there.

[ThomWV]

27. When you buy a new gun the call it in, takes about 3 minutes

I've bought two new pistols in the last year. In each case all the dealer had to do was call in the information and the go-ahead was approved within 3 minutes.